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  • #46
    It doesn't, I was just explaining his flawed thought processes

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    • #47
      One way to start would be for the large states to basically gang up on the small states in the one place they hold power, the House. They could say to the samll states, give up the electoral college or you won't see a dime of Federal money until you do. Of course, the Senate could block any appropriations bill that didn't give them any money, but since the big states (population wise) subsidize the small states, they could better survive a government shut down.

      A back door way to minimize the effect of the EC would be to leave it in place but pass an law that forces states to divide them proportionally among the candidates (by lording it over their purse strings). It would still give a slight edge to the smallest states, but it would make things a lot fairer overall. Once this happens, it will make the EC largely irrlevent, and it will be easier to abolish it outright.

      Alternately, only count representives for the division of the EC. The small states would never go for that, though.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by The diplomat
        It would be a disaster to get rid of the EC. Without it, large population centers would have too much influence in the election, people living in rural areas would essentially have no vote. After all, why both campaigning in small towns in the midwest when NYC has several million voters?
        So what? Why should people in rural areas have disproportionate say over the president? Cuz they're more spread out!?! Maybe we should apportion taxes disproportionately based on the EC. After all, greater representation should mean greater taxation.
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        • #49
          How exactly are you going to pass anything in Congress without the support of the states your trying to punish?
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          • #50
            Because the states with massively disproportionate representation are a minority of states. I did note, however, that it would be a problem getting things through the Senate.
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            • #51
              Like I said how exactly are you going to pass anything in Congress without the support of the states your trying to punish?
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              For those who aspire to live in a high cost, high tax, big government place, our nation and the world offers plenty of options. Vermont, Canada and Venezuela all offer you the opportunity to live in the socialist, big government paradise you long for. –Senator Rubio

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              • #52
                Sure, everyone likes farmers, no one wants to see them disenfranchised. But what about, say, mormons? Since they are focused in a single state, they are way over-represented per capita compared to most other groups. Should we keep a mormon-biased system? What about a group that has a presence in every state but only as a small minority. It might represent the same fraction of the population as farmers, yet is be vastly less represented since it doesn't control any particular states. Is that fair?

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by DinoDoc
                  Like I said how exactly are you going to pass anything in Congress without the support of the states your trying to punish?
                  Shut down the government and wait for the smaller states to cry uncle?
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                  • #54
                    I don't think the small states have the stones to even attempt something like that.
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                    • #55
                      Most other democracies elect by direct popular vote, how does it work out there?
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                      • #56
                        I personally think the EC is a great thing... definately a compromise, but the best solution yet seen for the problem of big regions versus smaller ones.

                        If you want to see the alternative look at other countries, like Canada for example. In our last election, the conservatives won pretty much everything west of Ontarioand the Bloc Quebecois pretty much won all of Quebec. But because the Liberals did well in a few big cities in Ontario (and got a few seats in the East), the Liberals got to form the next government. How is that democratic considering the majority of the country (not people-wise) voted for a different party?

                        If the EC were gone, we'd have California and New York dictating the outcome of every election.

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                        • #57
                          Uhhh, because all that matter is the people?

                          By that logic Antarctica should have a permanent UNSC seat.

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                          • #58
                            I don't see how the big states would run everything without the EC, if the presidential election was decided strictly on the popular vote. Individual states wouldn't matter anymore. The candidates would have to appeal more to specific demographics.
                            "In Italy for 30 years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed. But they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love. They had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock."
                            —Orson Welles as Harry Lime

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                            • #59
                              Antartica is not a country

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                              • #60
                                Think of the penguins!

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