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    Post PANZER BATTLES on the RIVER CHIR!

    I'm almost finished with a new scenario . . . .


    PANZER BATTLES on the RIVER CHIR!

    In the winter of 1942, the German Wehrmacht struggled with the Red Army between the Don and Volga rivers in the deep Ukraine. Twin offensives planned by the brilliant Russian commander Zhukov had succeeded in trapping the German 6th Army in a pocket around Stalingrad. Hitler ordered colonel general Von Manstein to lead 4th Panzer Army in an attempt to breakthrough and rescue the surrounded German army in the beleaguered city. While Von Manstein's forces slammed into the massed tanks of the Russians southwest of Stalingrad, the 48 Panzer Korps stood as a fire brigade supporting several infantry divisions defending the line of the River Chir, just north of the 4th Panzer Army's line of attack. Historically, the 48th Panzer managed to hold the river line, preventing the Soviets from overrunning Rostov and thus expediting the flawless retreat of the 1st Panzer Army, which had been in the foothills of the Caucasus.

    This scenario attempts to recreate that operational situation. The units represent regiments, brigades, and kampfgruppen, and the squares represent approximately 20 miles. There is no research. There is no money. There is no diplomacy. There are no air units. There are damn few replacements/reinforcements. There is no relief. As the German player, you must hold the river line, using your armored and mechanized forces as a mobile reserve.

    I've begun testing it already. It's together and functional, and it uses a small bunch of fairline's snow-covered Russian and German WWII unit graphics. Who made the "Socialist Realist Cities"? I'd like to use them. Eivind, I'd like to use some of your snow terrain-graphics from your Norway scenario.

    More later. . . .
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    I would have loved to see the entire Eastern campaign, but the pivotal battle chosen would be nice.


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    Cool

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    I can only repeat what those two gentlemen already said

    When can we expect a beta?

    Btw, to continue with the nit-picking: Erwin von Lewinski, called Manstein was already Field Marshal at that moment. He earned this grade by storming Sevastopol earlier in 1942

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    How far will the scenario go to change history?

    What will happen if the Axis forces withstand the Soviet stranglehold of steel?


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    A tactical scenario.. nice!
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    Excellent

    Gimme a shout if you need anything drawing Phenix

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    @Exile -

    The socialist realist cities are made by Smiley!



    PS
    I hope you are not going to use the 'G' or 'R' suffix to denote German or Russian units!


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    Red face

    Looks like I may have to shelve this one for the time being. I just can't get the AI to run the Russians effectively.

    It's on the back burner, but not dead.

    I tried to start a 2-person game via a hot seat game. No luck--the cheat button is not available. If there are any hex edit whizzes out there who can help, shout out. As things stand now, I'm out of ideas of this one.
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    Why not do a Barbarossa campaign scenario then!




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    Originally posted by curtsibling
    Why not do a Barbarossa campaign scenario then!



    You mean like Red Front?
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    Sick

    I'm happy to report that this one is now back off the shelf.

    Found a way to create a two player game without having to resort to hotseat.

    It'll involve almost starting over, but then, this one isn't that big a task so it won't be too much trouble.
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    Originally posted by techumseh


    You mean like Red Front?
    But from the bad guy's POV...

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    Originally posted by Exile
    Eivind, I'd like to use some of your snow terrain-graphics from your Norway scenario.

    More later. . . .
    Sorry I missed this thread, Phenix.

    Sounds like a really fun scenario to play. You may of course, as may anyone, use whatever you want from my work. All I ask for is my name on the credit list I looked through some of the early backup folders for the Norwegian Campaign, and I cooked up some unused terrain from the scen. Use them if you want, I don't need them.
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    Thank you Eivind.

    Now, for my request list;

    1.) Curt, can I use some of those people gifs that you use in WWII scens so often?

    2.) Does anyone know of a modern city style for the German occupiers in the Ukraine . . . . that is not isometric? Gareth, wanna custom make a new terrain?

    3.) Smiley, can I use the "Socialist Realist" cities? They're very nice, Russian, and not isometric.

    4.) How do I set the starting date and turn stuff so that each turn is one day? Can this be done?

    I may think of more later.
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    You're welcome!

    4.) In the Norwegian Campaign, each turn is a day. I have starting year as 1. Make the turn increment 1. Go into the Labels.txt and change 'A.D.' to 'Day'.

    Voila!
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    Exile, any of my graphical resources are at your disposal!


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    You are free to use any of my graphics as well. Can't wait to see this.
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    Post It's done.

    It's complete, though I haven't yet zipped it for transport.

    It is;

    A very small, OPERATIONAL level scenario.

    25 turns long

    2 player, solo only as the Germans

    No swastikas (for our German friends out there)

    No research, production, rush-buying, diplomacy, air or sea units.

    I need a splash page. Preferably a winter photo of German/Russian/both troops in action, c. 1942-43.

    Gareth, will you get in touch? I'd like you to look over the units bmp and see if you can clean it up a little. They're mostly all yours anyway. Also I'd like to talk about my next project.
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    This one is kind of neat. No ruskies on it though.
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    And here are some of those evil soviets!
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    Sick

    That last one was very good, but I've found one that I'm going to use.

    Thanks all for the photos.

    The scen is complete in every respect. I'll be testing it over the next few days and release it when I'm satisfied with the results. It came together very quickly, but then it's quite a departure from the size of scens that I usually build.

    It'll be out before the end of this week.

    edit; Changed my mind. Some of you actually enjoy the beta-testing process, it seems, so I tried to upload the thing here without the sound files.

    As usual, no such luck with ACS. All these cool features seem to work fine for everyone else but moi.

    For those who would like to test this thing, get in touch via PM.
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    Send me the files Phenix and I'll give the units the once-over. What was the terrain you were after BTW?

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    Sick

    Found the terrain I was looking for, thanks to Eivind's winter stuff.

    I'll send you this new one via email.

    Eivind, sent.
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    Dude, you sent me Age of the Crusades
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    Sick

    Yeah?

    Enjoy.



    I'll send the right one shortly.

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    Ok, I played for 25 turns, which the readme says is how long the scen lasts. I got a message on turn 24 saying there's 5 turns left

    Anyway, I had a great time playing this scen. Not too many turns and not too many units to handle. On turn 25 I destroyed the Russian civ by capturing their last city. Was it because it was too easy or becasue I'm the best damn panzer commandor of our days?...I don't know

    In the beginning it looked as if I was getting my ass whooped on the centre part of the river, so I moved 2/3s of my force in that direction, and the rest northwards. The Ruskies attacked me sporadicly in the centre and I retaliated from the strongpoints and with hit and run attacks from the cities. I lost many units to Russian counter attacks. But my cunning must have been too much for them in the long run.

    Now I was beeing harrassed on the northern part of the rive, and from the masses of forces I saw they posessed up there, I had no choice but to redirect my force northwards. On turn 20, or so, I made a bold move towards Surovikino, and it fell. From there I blitzed my way to Kalatsch with an MK IV and an MK III. The inf reserves I got on turn 10 I already then sent towards the now encircled Oblivskaya. By chance they reached the city in time to coordinate the attacks I made in the north. When that city fell, a Russian general came over to me and handed me his side arms (Russian civ destroyed).

    A mighty fun scenario, Phenix! I'll give you a thumbs up for this. It's nice with these little scenarios from time to time, were you don't have to read a god damn manual before playing.

    What was a bit annoying was that I had to fire those artillery barrages every turn, even though there was nothing to fire them on at some times. Why don't you give that artillery unit the carrier flag, so one can choose to save the ammo. I just aired them over to the nearest town. If this is intentional, that's an ok sollution, though a bit weird .

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