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    Flak Cannon & Mobile Sam Question

    When flak cannons and moblie sams are placed on a city do they have to be fortified to defend against bombardment from bombers and fighters.

    Or will the defend no matter if they are fortified or not.

    When travelling with a group/army, same question will they defend no matter what the situation?

    Any info would be greatly appreciated.
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  • #2
    No, they do not have to be fortified. Same with naval units with Anti-air values.

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    • #3
      An odd thing with the things are that while my city governors want to build them all the time, the AI civ only very rarely build them.
      Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

      It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
      The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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      • #4
        Argh!!! In the Civ fanatics forums they are saying they must be fortified.

        Any way of testing this rather simply?

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        • #5
          not really tested it directly, but i did notice i've never saw any action when they were not fortified!

          But it does kinda make sense only to let them shoot when they are fortified - stuff like this takes time to 'set up'

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          • #6
            I understand your "Argh!!!", Xanex.
            NO, I do not have "solid" proof that fortified is not required.

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            • #7
              I believe I've seen them work when unfortified... and in the case of ships, I'm 90% certain I've seen it (in the Pacific WWII scenario IIRC). It shouldn't matter much though - the flaks and sams should be fortified anyways.

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              • #8
                I just verified it with a debug setup. Flak, and assuming by extension also Mobile SAM, does not have to be fortified to fire on aircraft. I sent F-15's against unfortified Flak batteries by themselves on flat ground, and the fourth bombing run got fired upon.
                Solomwi is very wise. - Imran Siddiqui

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                • #9
                  , Solomwi!

                  Now, if the AI only would build some.
                  Why can't you be a non-conformist just like everybody else?

                  It's no good (from an evolutionary point of view) to have the physique of Tarzan if you have the sex drive of a philosopher. -- Michael Ruse
                  The Nedaverse I can accept, but not the Berzaverse. There can only be so many alternate realities. -- Elok

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                  • #10
                    No kidding. In my last (intercontinental) war with China, at the beginning they had 5 or 6 Flak batteries. I quickly took all the territory I wanted, which left them still with a good bit of homeland I had no interest in and also a good bit of territory on the other "horn" of the continent, which I decided I wanted Persia to have to themselves. So I undertook a massive bomberdment campaign, with little to no ground troop involvement, except a few MA armies running around the Persian Horn capturing workers and knocking off the occasional unit. I expected, after a few turns of 40+ bombing runs, the AI to pop out a few more AA defenders, but it never did happen, and those it had were useless against my Stealth Bombers and Bombers.
                    Solomwi is very wise. - Imran Siddiqui

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                    • #11
                      Thanks for all your help fellas, much appreciated.

                      Special thanks to Solomwi for running the debug....

                      Great forums here, lots of good info.

                      Thanks again.

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