Creation of new threads restricted to 1/person/day in OT

[MarkG]

Which means that every poster can create only one thread per day in the off-topic forum

comments?

[Stefu]

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[My Wife Hates CIV]

Why?! Talk about a step backwards. Why not just restrict OT all together. Was it a problem before or maybe just a problem with a few posters??? This is a mistake.

[Narck]

One question:

How does it work? Does it start counting from the moment you post a topic, or does it set itself to the server time or something else?

[Ari Rahikkala]

Quite similar to the case when somebody created the thread "THIS THREADS TITLE IS COMPLETELY CAPITALIZED! TAKE THAT WEREFOX!", MarkG IMHO overreacts a bit. If some people like Nimrod. create 3 threads/day, is it really so critical to change the UBB code itself? Maybe you should work on some out-UBB things which relate to Apolyton more so you don't get bored.

[My Wife Hates CIV]

So I guess this means I only need to visit Apolyton one time per day... talk about a site that will dry up. The only difference (and it's a big difference IMHO) between this site and others is the OT. It's a fun place to hang out. Or at least was.

If someone speeds you take that persons right to drive away - not everyones. duh.

[Saras]

I don't like it. Maybe two threads?

[MarkG]

MWHC, depending on how many good posters this feature causes trouble to, we're willing to make that 24 hours, 12 or whatever. But I dont think you will disagree that there is a problem with some people...

Narck, the script keeps a log of the people who started a new thread and compares it with the recent time to see if a day has passed

[My Wife Hates CIV]

whatever, i'll think about looking thursday at the new threads created. see ya.

[Narck]

My opinion: I don't mind at all that you can only CREATE 1 topic a day... As long as there are no limits to the # of replies (apart from the already common flood control) I have no problems

[MarkG]

btw, in case you did not understand it MWHC, we are talking about the CREATION OF NEW THREADS, not posting to existing ones. One can make replies to AS MANY threads as he likes....
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited June 14, 2000).]</font>

[Murgatroyd]

This is outrageous. I do not deny that some spammers are out of control, but this is NOT the way to solve the problem. Some posters have legitimate questions they want answered, that would not go well together in a single thread. (Anyone who has an example, please post it below.) I would not be surprised if some posters created new DLs to bypass this limit, and I would not blame them.

If you do decide to keep this limit, please apply it to the moderators as well.

Murgatroyd

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[Provost Harrison]

Sometimes I post a couple of threads and then none for days, you know, when I get flashes of inspiration. This could prove problematic. Some people are better at thinking up topics for debate than others. Restrict them and we could get less topics for debate. I would urge Apolyton to think this one through. I think it would be better to discipline individual Apolytoners who cause these problems than restrict everyone else. Sometimes I can have three ideas in a day, and then not make another thread for weeks, thus wasting those days. And I'd have forgotten by the day after.

[MarkG]

(this goes to everyone)I would be interested to hear How Many Threads You Create In One Day In The OT in average...
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited June 14, 2000).]</font>

[Ari Rahikkala]

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<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 06-14-2000 10:17 AM</font>
(this goes to everyone)I would be interested to hear How Many Threads You Create In One Day In The OT in average...
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited June 14, 2000).]</font>
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Should be under .25 for all OTers...

EDIT: HEY! Wow! Celebrate my new status ! I wasn't even waiting for it !


<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by LightEning (edited June 14, 2000).]</font>

[Narck]

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 06-14-2000 10:17 AM</font>
(this goes to everyone)I would be interested to hear How Many Threads You Create In One Day In The OT in average...
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>On average 1 thread a week in the OT

[SnowFire]

I disagree with this as well. I don't think I've ever posted more than a thread a day (and on average post about a thread every two weeks), but I might want to post 2 threads one day in the future, perhaps.

I can't see why you should restrict everybody because some people fill up the OT with pointless topics.

I agree with Saras. Maybe make it two threads a day?

[Ming]

YOU HAVE TO BE KIDDING!

I agree with most of the posters and think that this is really too much.
In addition, I think this will only make matters worse, because people will create double log ons to get around this rule!
Most people are really good about the number of threads they start. And those that go overboard get warned, then restricted.

MarkG, please rethink this position. If you are going to put a limit on it, at least make it 3 or 4. I don't think that is too unreasonable. As stated, many people show up, creat 3 to 5 threads, and then come back later to check responses. Yes, sometimes we do have a problem, but MLeonard and I usually solve it

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CivII & Off-Topic Forum Moderator
Ming@Apolyton.net

[MarkG]

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<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Murgatroyd on 06-14-2000 10:14 AM</font>
Some posters have legitimate questions they want answered, that would not go well together in a single thread.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>we are talking about the OT only. there is no restriction on the on-topic forums(where there are no problems of spam)


<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited June 14, 2000).]</font>

[Huey]

If I say I started 20 threads since I registered in May last year I would be exaggerating. But there were days that I started more than 1. And I sure would like it to stay that way.
Markos, pls listen to Ming and go back on this decision.

[Ari Rahikkala]

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<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by MarkG on 06-14-2000 10:39 AM</font>
we are talking about the OT only. there is no restriction on the on-topic forums(where there are no problems of spam)
<font size=1 face=Arial color=444444>[This message has been edited by MarkG (edited June 14, 2000).]</font>
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*Clears throat* KRHM! MarkG, did you know that OT is not only SPAM, SPAM and SPAM?

[DarthVeda]

This is rediculous. What is the reasoning for this? None, in my view.

Mark, have you gone off the deep end? Mass posting was never a problem and the people that did spam meaningless threads had them locked and they got a vacation.

This is an absurdity!

[MarkG]

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<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 06-14-2000 10:31 AM</font>
If you are going to put a limit on it, at least make it 3 or 4. I don't think that is too unreasonable. As stated, many people show up, creat 3 to 5 threads, and then come back later to check responses.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>unfortunately, the limit can only be on a time basis(e.g. "1 thread/X numbers of days(or hours)" and not "X number of threads/day")
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</font>Yes, sometimes we do have a problem, but MLeonard and I usually solve it
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>the cool thing would be not to have to solve it

[MarkG]

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<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by LightEning on 06-14-2000 10:47 AM</font>
*Clears throat* KRHM! MarkG, did you know that OT is not only SPAM, SPAM and SPAM?
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>of course it's not spam! that's why I'm interested to see how many people and how many times this will actually affect

[MarkG]

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<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by DarthVeda on 06-14-2000 10:47 AM</font>
the people that did spam meaningless threads had them locked and they got a vacation.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>explain me why we must have two people on a 24-hour basis worrying about spam in order to have a decent forum

[Ming]

OK... I see what you are saying.
But even one thread an hour would be a problem because of peoples posting patterns.

Can you cut it down to one thread every 10 minutes? That way, it will stop the real spam artists, and still let people post more than one thread.

Again, the majority of people are not the problem. And why should they be penalized because of the acts of one or two people?


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Ming@Apolyton.net

[Hugo Rune]

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>explain me why we must have two people on a 24-hour basis worrying about spam in order to have a decent forum
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Circular Effect Relationship. If you have a lot of people who worry about Spam and what it does to the community, you do not get spam, and spammers are frozen out. If you impose a dictatorial rule on the posters, Spam becoes a way to express yourself, and Spammers are celebrated as heroes. Result- Unmoderated forum, as much spam as the community wants, with that level being quite low for this forum as it was for .owo., Moderated forum, lots of spam that just bothers the moderators.

Anyway, what you really want to prevent is bored people creating a string of threads in a short period. Set the rule to one every hour, and I guarantee that the effect will be similar without the enormous loss of creativity one thread a day will accomplish.

Essentially, it will be like this- Poster A makes a thread, and needs to make another. So, he messages Poster B by ICQ, who makes the thread for him. Inconvenient and rather stupid.

[MarkG]

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Ming on 06-14-2000 11:12 AM</font>
But even one thread an hour would be a problem because of peoples posting patterns.

Can you cut it down to one thread every 10 minutes? That way, it will stop the real spam artists, and still let people post more than one thread.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>it would? I think even 12 hours would be a short time, and I'm not talking just about simple spam, but also about organized attacks(and we had similar events recently)
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<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font>Again, the majority of people are not the problem. And why should they be penalized because of the acts of one or two people?
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>all the people are already penalized for the acts of the few. everyone is not allowed to post images in the OT. everyone is not allowed to use some html codes in posts and no html at all in signatures. everyone is not allowed to make a login with a free e-mail address....

I would like to see in the next couple of days how many people actually have a problem, and not just a theoretical disagreement, before making any changes.

[Ming]

OK... if you are going to experiment, How about making it one thread per hour. That will still limit any organized attacks. They would have to have a lot of people on board for it to be effective, and if that was the case, no limit would really stop them.

Please consider one thread an hour for your experiment... please... please... please...

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CivII & Off-Topic Forum Moderator
Ming@Apolyton.net

[MarkG]

<center><table width=80%><tr><td><font color=000080 face="Verdana" size=2><font size="1">quote:
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1>
</font><font size=1>Originally posted by Hugo Rune on 06-14-2000 11:14 AM</font>
Anyway, what you really want to prevent is bored people creating a string of threads in a short period. Set the rule to one every hour, and I guarantee that the effect will be similar without the enormous loss of creativity one thread a day will accomplish.
<img src="/images/blue1.gif" width=100% height=1></font></td></tr></table></center>on the other hand, such a limit could drive people to think before they create a thread, and thus create a more interesting thread(instead of 3-4 stupid ones that will be on page 2 in 4 hours). eventually, we could have a better forum