Kerry’s hypocrisy

[Fake Boris]

Originally posted by Ned


His record of standing up for America and for Americans actually engaged in combat is 100% -- lacking.

Perhaps NOT sending them to fight is a better commitment?

OK, just nitpicking.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by skywalker
Stealth planes were a critical component of the first Iraq war. They are not "insignificant".

IIRC, the stealth "fighter" and the stealth bomber sucked, that's why they brought in B-52's. For the ordance loadout, these are totally a waste of time and money.

[Tingkai]

And the B-1 bomber was a white elephant.

The Patriot missile defence had a low success rate.

The F-16 was pointless duplication.

The MX missile system (put nukes on railroads and play hide the pea game) was incredibly stupid and in the end rejected by Republicans and Democrats.

The Pershing II was an unnecessary replacement for the Pershing I.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


IIRC, the stealth "fighter" and the stealth bomber sucked, that's why they brought in B-52's. For the ordance loadout, these are totally a waste of time and money.

The Stealth planes were used to take down the Iraqi command & control at the start of the war, before all of the AA had been knocked out.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Pax Africanus

1. Right now, in the U.S. press there is article after article pointing to the facts that Saudi Arabia is not much of an ally. Not a democracy. The 9/11 bombers were mainly Saudi Arabian. It makes more since to sponsor a regime change to the Arabic country with ties to 9/11. Yet we did not.

Pax, so long as the Saudi's are an ally, we have influence. We use that influence rather than attack them.

2. What should it matter to the average U.S. citizen if Kerry is pro or anti israel. I don't see any benefits from being pro israel although there is a benefit to being fair to both parties which we don't seem to be. When you are fair to both parties then you have credibility we don't have it. The question should be can Kerry get us some credibility as being a fair arbitrator between both parties or can he at least do a better job than President Bush. I find it troubling when the rhetoric from washington comes back everytime a Israel conducts an attack, builds a wall, and etc, the administration says "we are troubled" or "deeply concerned" by the recent events on the other side. The Palestinians are condemned for every suicide bomber, for every act berated and punished. It makes me wonder who's the hypocrite.

Israel is an ally and a friend. The Palestinians are part of a larger Arab nation that has relentlessly made war on Isreal. Our friendship with the Arabs is contingent, and should be contingent, on their constructive attitude towards making peace with Israel.

3. I doubt Kerry is pro communist. His wife is a big time capitalist. Just because he does not see communism as inherently evil does not make him pro communist.

All you have to imagine is Kerry standing amid hundreds of North Vietnamese and Vietcong flags, accusing American soldiers in Vietnam of being war criminals, denouncing the government of South Vietnam, and praising the North Vietnamese to draw your own conclusions on that issue.

4. As of today, there are no weapons of mass destruction the american people were promised. That leads me to believe that as of today, Kerry would have been right not to go to war with Iraq.

Kerry said that had he been president, he NEVER would have gone to war with Iraq. Without having gone to war, how would we have known that ther were no WMD?

5. The U.S. has a technological advantage that is years ahead of the Iraqi's. At a certain point the effectiveness per dollar goes down. Why would you need the most expensive stealth aircraft to do X amount damage when a cheaper aircraft could get the same results and still come home safe.

Kerry voted against every advanced system the US now has that allows us to win wars without the loss of men. Had Kerry been successful in defanging our military, we would be fighting wars in Iraq with machine guns like we did in Vietnam.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris


Perhaps NOT sending them to fight is a better commitment?

OK, just nitpicking.

Oncle, valid point. I am one of those who questioned the whole strategy on Vietnam. The problem though is whether one should withdraw support for the troops in the field once they are engaged in combat. That is what the anti-war types wanted.

Kerry is at least consistent. Whenever American troops are engaged anywhere and for any reason, he will vote against (or oppose) continued funding for combat operations.

(And he has the audacity to talk about not having flak jackets in Iraq when he voted against the funds to buy those jackets!)

[Fake Boris]

Ned, the 87 billions were part of a much larger expense than the simple jackets. If you put Medicare and homosexual rights in the same bill, and that someone votes against it, what is it that he voted against?

[Ned]

Originally posted by Oncle Boris
Ned, the 87 billions were part of a much larger expense than the simple jackets. If you put Medicare and homosexual rights in the same bill, and that someone votes against it, what is it that he voted against?

Good point. But, what was in the bill that Kerry did not like? All he has said was that he voted against it because Bush was the president and he didn't trust Bush.

[Pax]

1. We have allies other than Israel that are not pro israel. In that case we should be fair with our friends. Israel has fired on an american vessel. Israel is the kind of friend that you gets you into fights with others. Why don't we use some of our influence on israel. If we were fair we would have a better chance of getting peace in that area of the world. One of the main factors that caused WW2 was the treaty of Versailles after WW1. Why don't we learn from our mistakes and start treating these countries fair.

2. Why do you make communism seem like it's a bad word like rapist or child molester. It's not. It's just a person with a different political view. We should not hate those that disagree with us but look for common ground. If you take that one word that you despise out of the equation, you might question our involvement in vietnam.

In addition, Ned if you are such a strong supporter of democracy, how can you justify the U.S. involvement in Vietnam. We were instrumental in opposing the geneva accords that called for elections in 1956. We basically denied the people of vietnam self determination and then sent american soldiers off to make sure that our will was done. Not the people of vietnams will. How exactly can you support that?

3. On Iraq. So the only way to find out what's in Iraq is to open a can of worms. Look at the news that's just what Iraq is.

4. I question the need for high tech weapons in Iraq. You can send stealth bombers and tomahawk missiles to patrol the streets. So I don't see the value of using a 100 million dollar missile to take out a building when a 100 thousand dollar missile can do the trick just as well. Our high tech weapons do not protect us from low level weapons. The USS Cole has one of the most advance weapons and detection suites in the world. A small boat loaded with explosives was able to do what an excocet could not.

[Sava]

I bet all these things Kerry "voted against" were bad bills will little **** tacked on. With all the pork and bull**** that gets put on bills in Washington, you could concoct some bull**** story about some politician voted against ANYTHING.

but troll on jimmytrick and Ned... it's entertaining.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Sava
you could concoct some bull**** story about some politician voted against ANYTHING.

You're starting to realize why so few senators have ever been elected President.

[Sava]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
You're starting to realize why so few senators have ever been elected President.

I've understood this for a long time, son. It's Neddy and Jimmytrick who need an edumacation.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Sava
I've understood this for a long time, son. It's Neddy and Jimmytrick who need an edumacation.

I know. I already did my part by pointing out how Jimmy could have maid the troll more interesting especially given the title.

[Sava]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
I know. I already did my part by pointing out how Jimmy could have maid the troll more interesting especially given the title.

Yes, and I commend you.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Ned


I have not gotten over Vietnam. I don't expect many Americans who experienced what happened then ever will.

Kerry is still coddling the communist regime there. They are involved in genocide today, but Kerry has a hold on a bill that would impose sanctions on the regime.

The same way that President Bush has refused to do anything about North Korea's crimes against its own people?