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  • What's the difference between fascism and nationalism?

    I lot of you guys, especially the left-wingers, seem to use these two terms interchangably. So do you think they mean the same, or..?
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    I think they mean the same thing, I get called them alot.

    You say fascist, I say patriot...
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    • #3
      Fascists are nationalists but nationalists are not necessarily fascists.

      Japher is a fascist-patriot.
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      • #4
        Nationalism is not necessarily fascism. I simply means that you consider your nation to be THE attachment point of your identity, and to consider nation as THE thing you'll make the ultimate sacrifices (more than all else)

        Fascists are people who share the same appreciation of the nation, but they do more than that:
        Nationalism doesn't necessarily imply a hatred for foreign countries, or doesn't imply that your country is inherently superior to the rest. Fascism does.
        Nationalism doesn't mean you support a harsh security policy, where the police has extended powers, and can do quick justice. Fascism does.
        Nationalism has nothing to do with punishing people within your borders, because they don't think like you want. Fascism does.

        Nationalism is not doomed to be an ideology of far-right dangerous nutjobs. Fascism does.
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        • #5
          Facism comprises:
          Exteme nationalism
          expansionism
          authoritarian centralised state power
          hatred/bigotry/scapegoating towards some foreign, ethnic, or racial groups
          centralised econmonic control, but not nesccesarily with state ownership of property/factories
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          • #6
            Re: What's the difference between fascism and nationalism?

            Originally posted by Park Avenue
            I lot of you guys, especially the left-wingers, seem to use these two terms interchangably. So do you think they mean the same, or..?
            Yes, I think they mean the same thing.

            I also think that road means the same as plankton and Boddington's is a monster that lives under bridges and eats goats.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Spiffor
              Nationalism is not necessarily fascism. I simply means that you consider your nation to be THE attachment point of your identity
              The "nation" in an abstract sense. Otherwise you couldn't have, say, Breton or Corsican nationalism.
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              • #8
                Buck is right.
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                • #9
                  Fascism is a particular style of government, whereas nationalism is simply pride in the nation. The latter is part of the former, so I can see where there is confusion. I tend to think nationalism is stupid, but then again, ignorant people sometimes need something to have pride in because their lives are so shallow.
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                  • #10
                    Exactly. Facism is a political movement based on nationlism (and racism and conservatism???) in the same way as socialism is based on communism.

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                    • #11
                      I am an nationalist, but I am not racist nor am I fascist.
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                      • #12
                        I think nationalism is an "ideology"
                        fascism is a way to rule a country.

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                        • #13
                          Fascism is Italian invention, though it was perfected elswhere. It did evolve from nationalism and chauvinism, which are back in vogue these days.

                          Except for the politicaly correct types that look the other way when they see a flag of their country.

                          And commies.

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                          • #14
                            Fascism is a particularly sucky form of nationalism. But don't worry, nationalism sucks pretty damn bad too!
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                            • #15
                              And I am sceptical about commies. They are usually highly motivated and active bunch, history has seen examples of commies supporting the national option.

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