Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Arnie's Austrian citizenship to be terminated?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Arnie's Austrian citizenship to be terminated?

    Schwarzenegger 'damages Austria'

    The execution sparked protests from California to Austria
    Arnold Schwarzenegger's Austrian citizenship should be ended over the execution of a convicted killer in the US, a politician in Austria has said.
    Peter Pilz, of the Green Party, said the Californian governor broke Austrian law by allowing Donald Beardslee's death by lethal injection on Wednesday.

    He said Mr Schwarzenegger, who has dual nationality, had "heavily damaged the reputation of the republic."

    He has submitted a formal written request to the Austrian government.

    "Schwarzenegger is possibly the most prominent Austrian abroad, and he shapes the picture of Austria," Mr Pilz said.

    "I don't want that picture shaped by someone who commits state murder. That does not correspond to the political culture of this country."

    Capital punishment 'unacceptable'

    Mr Pilz said Austrian law states that citizenship can be revoked if an Austrian "in the service of another country substantially damages the interests or reputation of the republic by his or her behaviour."

    Mr Pilz said: "Capital punishment is unacceptable in Austria and in Europe, and no Austrian citizen may take part in it or arrange it."

    The Austrian interior ministry has not commented on Mr Pilz's request, which appears unlikely to hold much sway with Austria's conservative government.

    Beardslee, 61, convicted of two killings in 1981, was given a lethal injection at San Quentin State Prison.

    The execution came hours after Mr Schwarzenegger rejected a clemency petition. In Vienna, it triggered a small but spirited protest outside the US embassy.

    In Graz, near Mr Schwarzenegger's birthplace of Thal, the Greens have been campaigning to rename Schwarzenegger Stadium, a sports venue, over his support for capital punishment.
    I wonder how far they will get?
    Tecumseh's Village, Home of Fine Civilization Scenarios

    www.tecumseh.150m.com

  • #2
    Meh, more stupid leftie nonsense.
    Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

    Comment


    • #3
      I'm sure he's all broken up over it.
      No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

      Comment


      • #4
        It's not the Austrians' place to interfere with the responsibilities of the Governor of California.

        But try and tell that to the Austrians.

        Comment


        • #5
          This is standard behavior, they say this, because they have to say this, but nothing will ever happen.

          Schwarzenegger's an idiot though. If they really want to take citizenship off him, I shall be fine, there is nothing austrian attached to him anymore and as I once read in an interview, he doesn't really like us anyway.
          He is the type of immigration idiot (and he isn't particularly clever) who then got all the chances and got big and is now amazed by this. Ofc, that's what all the americans like, because it's the long forgotten american dream.

          Comment


          • #6
            Originally posted by Winston
            It's not the Austrians' place to interfere with the responsibilities of the Governor of California.

            But try and tell that to the Austrians.
            Do I really have to go into the essence of this unimportant article?

            Comment


            • #7
              Please do elaborate about what exactly an "immigration idiot" is.
              Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

              Comment


              • #8
                No, it's a valid point (by the Austrian government). It's not a case of left or right, Oerdin, but a different set of national values. If you publically defacto repudiate some of those values, especially in the case of someone serving in a foreign government, then revoking his citizenship is appropriate.

                Even if you support the concept of the death penalty (which I do) the process in the United States is so severely flawed that you do not need to be a lefty to oppose it. Also given the fact that the US does not seem to be able to deal with these procedural factors - lack of effective council for the indigent, lack of sanctions against prosecutors who flout due process (look up the case of John Demjanjuk - a deportation that ended up on an Israeli death row, but I'm talking about the prosecutor's behavior), problems with charging juveniles with capital crimes, and problems with mental competence issues (if you have to drug them so they are competent to stand trial - doesn't that ipso facto mean they were incompetent when they did the crime) just look at the case of the woman convicted in Texas after killing her children who couldn't have her reversal explained to her due to her continued deterioration into a deeply psychotic state (the prosecution used a trumped up expert to claim she was mentally competent).

                The case of the ex-governor (a Republican, by the way) of Illinois who tried to get the US to examine how we convict criminals went no where. This came as a reaction to the Innocence Project and other cases, largely with DNA evidence, that showed ALOT of innocent people were on death row. The man Arnold had executed deserved it. The problem is that the system is broken, and the Austrian government, and for that factor many governments, do not trust the US Criminal Justice system. That should be a matter of shame for our country, and a national crisis. If the Austrians choose to say no Austrian citizen can participate in death penalty procedures, that's their right. Just like Californians can choose to vote for Arnold, that's their right. Just as we have the right to post here and argue in the ridiculously wee hours of the morinng.
                The worst form of insubordination is being right - Keith D., marine veteran. A dictator will starve to the last civilian - self-quoted
                And on the eigth day, God realized it was Monday, and created caffeine. And behold, it was very good. - self-quoted
                Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.
                Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I'm very sorry… I wish it were otherwise.

                Comment


                • #9
                  There are tons of duel citizens but the left of center PM in Austria only goes after the slightly right of center Governor of California. Why? It isn't about values since so many businessmen conduct themselves in a different manner. Hell, a common criminal can rape and murder a woman in her sleep but they don't threaten to strip him of his citizenship.

                  This is just stupid political nonsense from people who specialize in stupid political nonsense.
                  Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    What a moron. Yeah, a dual citizen who is Governor of the US State of California allowing an execution to go through is damaging Austria's reputation . What utter nonsense!
                    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      word
                      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        I´d say his films do more damage to Austria them his actions as a governor... But how come you only hear about Austria when it´s in connection with some right-wing nut? I mean Adolf Hitler, Jörg Haider and whatshisname the former prime minister that was some hotshot in the SS?
                        I love being beaten by women - Lorizael

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          He was President, and before that Sec. Gen of the UN. His name is Kurt Waldheim.

                          In WWII, he served in the SA, not the SS.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Yeah yeah Adolf Hitler, Jörg Haider....

                            What exactly has Haider ever done than holding stupid talks (not that I like this either)? I tell you, haider is dead! He has no support anymore. His party (which is not his anymore) has gone down in all "state" elections tremendously. I mean it's the very opposite of sky-rocketed. The FPÖ is dead and I am very fine with this.

                            You are totally right! I am so sick of hearing all this nazi-past ****, but as soon as you start saying that in public, you'll be criticized to no end and "how dare you!!!" "Never forget" "We must always remember!". Last time I heard someone *****ing around in a reproaching manner that so little Austrians visit places like Auschwitz and even more koreans do. Yeah? SO ****ING WHAT!!! We're all ****ing tired to hear this **** all day, we've been through this more than any other person on earth (excluding the germans of course).
                            But you can never say that out loud, because you'll be marked a nazi and insensitive and stupid and what not. Nobody is ever going to listen to you again, because we must never forget and this burden will last on us forever.

                            This is just sick.

                            When my friends come and roll their eyes on the newest holocaust book or movie which is in top charts and recommended by everyone so that we never forget. I just say to them to ****ing shut up, because the moment you start critizising something like this, is the moment you have made an ass out of yourself and none of the intellectuals will ever want to talk with you and without them nothing will ever move, cause the prolos are too obsessed with their own life and how to get the most out of the least and are happily driving around in cars with radios that they got for -50% because they were there at exactly the right moment in the right store.

                            This is soo sick.
                            This is sooo über sick. I hate this ****ing country and it's bigotted superficialness.

                            And Arnold is a ****ing idiot.

                            Last edited by Atahualpa; January 23, 2005, 09:01.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Guys, read some of the foreign press. They see the US death penalties procedures as barbaric, and actually see the Chinese as more advanced - they do not try juveniles for the death penalty. Our Latin American friends often have trouble with our border state, Texas, which I believe

                              http://bipolar.about.com/od/socialissues/a/040628_texas.htm

                              Here's one - note what the federal judge said - Texas does have some good jurisprudence.

                              http://texasmoratorium.org/mod.php?mod=userpage&menu=130003&page_id=25&group=3

                              Plus the countries were are in good company with who execute those who were junveniles at the time of their crime.
                              [QUOTE]Juvenile offenders are executed.

                              International standards prohibit the execution of people who were under 18 at the time of the crime.
                              (UN Convention on the Rights of the Child)

                              Since 1990, only 5 countries have executed people for crimes committed as children:
                              Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, and USA. The USA has executed more than the other 4 combined.
                              QUOTE]

                              Many Americans don't see it as a problem, I am not one of them. I repeat, the Austrian government has the right to tell one of it's citizens who is involved in something it considers egregious and a violation of human rights that we are considering revoking your citizenship. It's akin to our plea deal with Yaser Esam Hamdi, he fought for the Taliban (probably before we attacked Afghanistan) and we don't want him as a citizen (though I agree with Scalia, go ahead with a treason trial - he should have renounced his citizenship based on his allegiances, the fact he didn't makes it tough).
                              The worst form of insubordination is being right - Keith D., marine veteran. A dictator will starve to the last civilian - self-quoted
                              And on the eigth day, God realized it was Monday, and created caffeine. And behold, it was very good. - self-quoted
                              Klaatu: I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it.
                              Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I'm very sorry… I wish it were otherwise.

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X