DARKCLOUD: Faces of Apolyton #11, 09/Aug/2002
DarkCloud: Do you have any works in progress that may take
forever?
DarkCloud:
Surely ye jest ;) Certainly, yes, I do have several works in progress that may
take forever and likely will. Namely, Apolyton the Book and The Apolyton 100. I
truly doubt that either will be complete.
Apolyton the Book is remarkably sparse on information about ye old days of
Apolyton (1998,1999,early 2000) however, DanQ's
interview
filled some of that for me, and in a later edition I may update. I could
interview some posters, but I don't know the questions to ask. If I wasn't lazy
I could probably pry a lot out of Imran and fjxorc (AKA Forks n' Freerunner),
but I don't think they want me to bother them too much ;)
As for The Apolyton 100: The only way I can finish that one completely is if I
search all the old OT archives for information and spend hundreds of hours
reading threads, etc. to determine information about posters. In addition, I
don't visit the OT as much as I used to, so I am sadly sketchy on recent
happenings.
In addition, the Apolyton 100 keeps expanding. The last time I updated, I think
it was up to 120 posters, all with full histories, and took up about 200 KB of
information on my computer.
Solver: How did you
come to Apolyton? You should have answered this already :).
DarkCloud:
Well, lets see.
I first visited Dan's Ultimate Civilization Site in 1998 looking for scenarios,
and surely, they had hundreds, if not thousands. I downloaded a few, and visited
the First Greek Civ Site once, then ceased my accesses to the internet for a
time. So, you could say that I first visited Apolyton in 1998.
Then, I wandered into apolyton in august 1999 glanced around, couldn't find any
scenarios and left... Unwittingly In that period of time, I frequently visited
the hosted sites... Then, in May 2000, I visited the forums because I had heard
about the list, but for some strange reason I thought that I had to register to
view the threads...
Maybe I did and maybe I didn't, but at the time, I had no wish to register for
any forums and sadly, did not discover the list or the writing of the list,
despite visiting the forums' main page.
Then, in July 2000 I discovered Sidgames after purchasing Alpha Centauri and
registered on their forums, searching for Alpha Centauri help, etc. Due to the
low amount of traffic on their site's SMAC section, I searched for other forum
and rediscovered Apolyton, then registered on the 27th of July (1 day after
Apolyton's 2nd birthday), and began posting in the CIV III-IDEAS section and AC
sections.
DarkCloud: Hmm... Top
Apolyton moments
The day of
Banana's Primordial Beginnings- Pollgate... Spamgate- Many people received 1 day
bans, a few received 2 day bans- I decided to get into the festivities without
becoming banned- starting a thread on increasing the number of poll options,
with a poll of course ;)
Well, the thread seemingly worked- as we now have 24 or so poll options as
opposed to our original 10... Increased from the 16 created after Civ III was
released (so that we could have threads with all the civ's in the polls-thus not
offending anyone's civilizations)
Even though it wasn't fun at the time, I found my little quarrel with Ming
around Christmas 2000 of interest. After he closed Apolyton: The Book or The
Apolyton 100 in the OT because I left several empty posts; (to be filled later)
and people began to spam the thread.
However, I was working on filling it; then edited it and put in the data- only
to find it closed! I was full of venom after the incident and started a thread
in the Community Section something along the lines of:
"Ming!!!!!" and wrote inside it a little poem to the song of "The Grinch Stole
Christmas."
Ming was quite annoyed.
However we eventually worked out the misunderstanding and the thread went up
several days later in both the OT and Community sections; full of information.
And we quickly made up.
Another of my favorite thread days was the days surrounding Provost Harrison's
Guild of Emperors in which spoof threads- Cacaphony of Kings (or was it Court?),
Concert of Chieftans, Settlement of Settlers, War-Council of Warlords, Palace of
Princes, etc. were instituted.
And, just so that you don't think all the best things of Apolyton happened in
the Olden Days- another of my favorites was the day I came back and found the
D&D rankings in place next to my posts.
My first thought upon seeing them was "What the heck are those?"
That question was not easily answered.
The next day I found my answer after reading 8 pages of material... and THEN the
ratings were changed into Civ-Unit stats and moved to the profile.
That particular day, I spent about twenty minutes wondering, "Where did the D&D
stats go?" then I visited the requisite thread and found out the truth.
DarkCloud: Top
'poly threads
DarkCloud: My
favorite thread in the OT- The Apolyton Army version I. (Discussed Earlier)
and the little story I tried running with Sirotnikov where every OT civver
recieved a political party and debated in a world arena.
(Thanks to Ming and the OT's story policy, it lasted 2 days in the OT, receiving
30 or so interested posts from people... then was moved to the Stories/Diplomacy
forum where it died a needless, senseless and horrible death of rot and misuse,
being insulted and made fun of by the Diplo gamers, RUFFHAUS8 and company...
Stories don't last long in the diplo forums... I don't hold it against Ming
though, he was just doing his job...) [However, if my name happened to be Ming,
I would be afraid to turn my back because... one of these days- WHAM! BOOM!
STRAIGHT TO THE MOON!... ah, on second thought, ignore that, I have said too
much...]
DarkCloud:
DL's that I have
DarkCloud: None
that I know of at Apolyton- although I have run one at Newsmax and CGN for a
time.
At Newsmax I created the DL to expose the Newsmaxians idiocy and racism... It
was exposed sufficiently to me, yes, but to the Newsmaxians- they were
oblivious- it was quite embarrassing, so I gave it up after a time.
And, once at CGN, I was feeling in a frivolous mood and decided to create a DL.
(Note: this was BEFORE I became a moderator at CGN) That particular DL has
taken on a life of his own, appearing at FreeFireZone and elsewhere, including
the aforementioned NewsMax, and, in fact, at FreeFireZone, has a few DL's of his
own.
He also happens to have his own instant messenger ID.
Now, If you want to talk about being ACCUSED of being a DL...
In my first thread in the OT someone accused me of being connorkimbro's DL
because of a triple post and his mocking post below that one....
Then, around November 2000, Darkstar at FFZ Private Messaged me to ask me if I
was MarkG's DL since in his eyes, I seemed to know too much of what Mark was
thinking to be anything other than a DL.
Although Finally, I should admit to being Giant_Squid's most prominent DL. (My
DLishness is quite obvious if you can remember his "City of Clouds" scenario :D)
Solver:
Forum moderation - Apolyton vs. CFC vs. CGN vs. FFZ - which is the best?
DarkCloud:
Forum Moderation, hmm... At times Ming and Apolyton are a bit too strict and too
ready to weild the closing or deletion axe on threads, and the current policy of
moving all Stories threads out of the OT and into the horrible cesspit that is
the Demo/Stories section is a horrid one. (No offense to orange, RUFFHAUS8 and
the other demo-gamers, of course. ;))
However, I think that Ming, Mark, Dan, etc. have to deal with a lot of trash on
the forums. Ming has done right to close many of the threads he does, I suppose
it's a small price to pay for some humor threads to die. Perhaps if he eased up
a bit I could give the moderation an A+, however, I think I'm forced to give it
a B+ as it could be better.
Nevertheless, the Moderation team does a whole lot of work, and views myriad
threads. If you look at the OT long enough, you'll notice some of the hate
threads and disgusting threads which Ming manages to catch, and you might begin
to appreciate some of his efforts.
CivFanatics, hmm... I spent some time there, and I will say that Chris62 seemed
like a fair off-topic moderator, not too harsh and not too lenient, just about
the right sort of moderator. However, as I only posted there about one or two
months, I'm not really an authority on their moderating.
CivGamingNetwork- it used to be better in the old days (when I was OT mod, of
course ;)) orange and myself quashed all the spam and frivolity that forum bug
Tim Vincent [Forum Bug: Definition: A poster who spams notoriously (See ProvostB)]
and ZuluElephant tried to pull. However, the zero-tolerance level had a backlash
or two, driving off valued posters such as FastEddie and the spammers (who, when
they weren't spamming were quite interesting posters), but the spam had to stop.
Nowadays, CGN is one of the most lenient places for posting, I believe, although
ColonyPod does (or at least used to) control the Civ-forums with an iron hand,
consolidating double threads, etc. which is admirable work, but a bit annoying.
CivGamingNetwork does good to promote the "small rural town community feeling"
and so... I suppose I will give CGN about a B or B- on moderation.
FreeFireZone- I take back the 'leniency' comments about CGN- FFZ was a true spam
heaven, and it was amazingly fun under MichaeltheGreat's leadership (he allowed
multiple accounts) Although, once or twice it got out of hand with porno
threads, tasteless threads, etc, MtG eventually managed to quash all the
disgusting frivolity.
Now under MBloomIII, I can't really say anything about moderating as all the
posters have moved on to Counterglow, and the site is now a football (soccer)
site. But, considering their moderating policy in the old days, I think I'll
give it a B... Too many 'things' got through, but the atmosphere was one of
general fun.
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