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[Floyd] Lol@lancer [Floyd] bye [SMACer] Yeah Squid! [Squid] BACK TO CTP BASHING!!!!!!!!! [Atahualpa] lol [SMACer] SID and BRIAN Monopoly on CIV! [Squid] What were they thinking by not putting in a map editor? [Lancer] The wife is dancing [Gibster] ToT or CtP? [Squid] Or by those idiot wonders? [Atahualpa] oh, I wanted to say that there will be a chattranscript ;) [SMACer] Civ 3 is going to rock! [SMACer] CTP really pissed me off (before it even came out) [Gibster] And/ or roll [Floyd] Civ 3 is going to beat all Civlike games on the market I think *** dstar has quit IRC (dstar has no reason) [SMACer] Lawyers, Corporate Raiders, etc.... [Akula] anybody ehre logged the whole thing from start to finish [Akula] well so far [Floyd] not quite - I would've but I got kicked off twice [Akula] np [MarkG] well, I've got to go now, guys [SMACer] Sid and Brian make the best Civ games... [Floyd] What about Dan? [Atahualpa] I like ctp [Floyd] Or Z? [SMACer] Later Mark... [MarkG] might check up later... [Floyd] They've been on forever [Atahualpa] bye mark [Floyd] Bye Mark [Huey] bye mark [MarkG] Dan will be back in 1/2 hour [Squid] Bye. [Floyd] oh yeah... *** Squid has quit IRC (Squid) [SMACer] I don't think I'll ever play CTP.... [MarkG] ttyl *** GSquid (~java_user@cx17383-a.orng1.occa.home.com) has joined #apolyton [Akula] I'm still here though if there are any probs [Gibster] Well, the body-count is dropping like flies. I also leave. *** MarkG has quit IRC (Leaving) [GSquid] Bye. [Lancer] Is ToT anything more than a facelift w/a couple scns attached? Is it worth the $? [Floyd] Well, I decided to order pizza for lunch so I don't have to leave the comfort of my computer [Floyd] WAIT! I have to get up to get a coke! DOH!!! [SMACer] It depends on the price Lancer [Floyd] Maybe my sister will get it for me... [Akula] Nothing more than $50 tops [GSquid] Floyd-you might want to look at my response to your post in CivNation... *** Gibster has quit IRC (Leaving) [SMACer] Yeah, Floyd! LOL! [Lancer] I've got a shelf full o Civ [Floyd] OK...I'll check it real quick... [Huey] bye all, maybe later [Floyd] bye huey [Akula] anybody here play ctp on linux? [GSquid] Bye. [Lancer] Bye Huey *** Huey has quit IRC (I'll be seeing you...) [Floyd] Which post GS? The abortion thread, or another? [GSquid] Yeeah. You just hit a pet peeve of mine when you said the US was founded as a Christian nation... [SMACer] Well... it kind of was... [Lancer] Oh no [SMACer] Of course that doesn't mean it has to be now... [Floyd] GS: I'll post some Christian quotes by the Founders later.... [Floyd] Not right now though [Z] it was a nation founded by christians with religious freedom as a goal [Floyd] Also, PoliticsForum isn't exactly a religion-neutral site and as such will not be totally objective with what they post [GSquid] I refer you to the post in question called "Abortion" at http://www.civnation.com/forums [BlueWaldo] it was a notion founded on christian values.....most of the signers of the constitustion were christain.... [BlueWaldo] who are Z and akula? [Floyd] Thank you Z and BlueWaldo [Floyd] That is what I've been saying... [GSquid] Founded on Christian values? It was founded on liberty and justice! [Z] I am the first chanserv to ever come alive [Akula] I am the chat director for apolyton [Floyd] Which are not necessarily different things GS [SMACer] True Floyd [GSquid] Look at the Bible sometime. Their idea of liberty and justice are WAY different than ours... [SMACer] However, the founders were all very religious men... [GSquid] For example, if you gathered food on the Sabbath, you were stoned to death without trial... [Floyd] Also, the original people who came over on teh Mayflower came to escape religious persecution and obtain religious freedom [Z] Justice in the bible is quite different from the justice we have in our modern democratic world [GSquid] The Bible is obsolete...if it were any other book it'd be in a museum... [Floyd] Wrong *** Du_Chateau has quit IRC (Du_Chateau) [Floyd] The Koran and Torah aren't in museums [Floyd] and they are just as old [BlueWaldo] if it were any other book yes, but its the bible [SMACer] I don't think any religious text is obsolete [GSquid] The Torah IS the Bible for most of it, and the Koran is 600 years older. [Z] I dont believe that we should live our lives by a book [Floyd] Besides, BlueWaldo is right, the Bible is differnet because it is true *** Du_Chateau (~java_user@56k-palm-01-26.dial.qnet.com) has joined #apolyton [GSquid] heh. [Z] we should live our lives in accordance with the expectations of society, our friends and family [Floyd] Z, I agree, we shouldn't live our lives by a book but by God [Floyd] Expectations of society are not necessarily the best thing [GSquid] Like, the part about the sun stopping going around the Earth, or the part about the Earth being created in 7 days? [Floyd] What about it? [Floyd] brb [BlueWaldo] GS those are both ture [SMACer] It depends if you read it literally... [GSquid] For your post "But the bible is true" [Z] Not necessarily by god, but by whatever you believe in, my believe in god is superceeded by my belief in Honour and the Human Spirit [GSquid] Wait. The sun going around the Earth is true? That's news to me. [SMACer] After all, what is a day to God? [St-Leo] Ahem [BlueWaldo] Z: that is the biggest BS ever [GSquid] But a day is always equal, and the creation of the stars took more time than the creation of animals... [Z] why BW? [SMACer] Of course, we all know that the Earth is ruled by mice :) *** St-Leo has quit IRC (St-Leo) [BlueWaldo] a day is 24 hours, the same day we have, he wrote it in our term. he created it in 6 days [GSquid] THEN WHY IS THE &&**&^ THING 4 BILLION YEARS OLD?! [BlueWaldo] the human spirit is nothing *** St-Leo (~java_user@spc-isp-tor-uas-76-52.sprint.ca) has joined #apolyton [Z] the human spirit is the core of what our society has become [Floyd] sorry pizza got here... [Atahualpa] pinh [Atahualpa] ping [Akula] god this guy Z really is a weird chanserv (-: [GSquid] If the human spirit's what our society's become, I feel sorry for it. Humans are pitiful... [Floyd] agreed - that's why we need God [SMACer] How many times.... MICE RULE! Jeez, why are you looking at me like that? :) [St-Leo] I am God [GSquid] God's WORSE! He kills without reason! [St-Leo] Muwahahaha [Floyd] How? [Z] some humans are indeed pitiful, that is becuase they dont believe in the power of the human spirit [St-Leo] Human spirit my arse [GSquid] "And you shall put the people of Amalek to the sword, and you shall not spare the old, nor the women, nor the children, for that is the command of the Lord your God..." [St-Leo] I created pawns 4004 years ago [Floyd] Ah [Akula] Ok I am going to have to go [SMACer] I believe in a human spirit.... [Akula] becuase there is a thurder storm here [GSquid] Um....4004 years ago would be 2003 BC...or so... [Akula] and I dotn want to fry my computer [Floyd] I don't understand all of that myself...but he ordered them killed because they did not believe in Him [BlueWaldo] in washington state after mt st helans it created floods and but trees under pressure...trees that were there petrifyed in a few months and now carbon date at billions of years old. so a great flood (noha) explains y things can look older than they are [GSquid] Bye. [Akula] and I must admit it was me talking through Z [Akula] so Z will be silent also [Floyd] bye akula [Lancer] seeya ak [St-Leo] I am omnipotent [St-Leo] I am the universe, therefore I am omnipresent [GSquid] OK. So how about rocks? And stars? And animals? And everything else in the Universe? [Floyd] That's a good point BlueWaldo [Floyd] All created in 6 days [Floyd] On different days, of course [BlueWaldo] "perg (sp?) the evil from among u" explains alot of that stuff [SMACer] I think I'll pray to St. Leo ;) [St-Leo] Yes, I did not bother creating nights back then [GSquid] Oh. Yeah. Those Amalek babies were REALLY eil... [SMACer] LOL! [St-Leo] Too much trouble [GSquid] It's GENOCIDE! [BDRAGON] But St.Leo is an EVIL god [SMACer] Funny St. Leo [BlueWaldo] just as evil as sidgames [SMACer] Hmmm, never thought of it that way [St-Leo] Then I created Adam and Eve from its rib [GSquid] NOTHING is that evil.... [SMACer] But SidGames is good... [St-Leo] Then I erased that because of PC issues [Floyd] Let me ask you this, GS, if God did not create the Earth and the Universe, then how did it get here? [Akula] I'll come back as soon as the lightning is gone [Floyd] Nothing is evil? Huh? [GSquid] Big Bang... [Floyd] OK akula [Floyd] Big Bang is BS [St-Leo] And created an Adam 2 and Eve 2 simulatneously [Floyd] Coudl not have happened [BDRAGON] What caused the Big Bang [GSquid] Nothing is as evil as SidGames. [Floyd] Even Stewart Spink admitted that [SMACer] And where did the stuff from the Big Bang come from? *** akula has quit IRC (Leaving) [Lancer] Such discussions do not make men christians Floyd. [GSquid] Yes...care to say why you know more than the top cosmologists in the Universe.... [SMACer] The stuff that Banged? [GSquid] A pea instanton [BDRAGON] How did that get there? [Floyd] That wasn't the question GS - the question was where did the energy for the Big Bang to occur coem from [SMACer] God created the Big Bang, and steered the Universe into what it is today [Floyd] And how did that energy get here [Floyd] Ever heard of conservation of energy? [St-Leo] There was nothing before the Big Bang because time did not exist [GSquid] Inflation gave more than enough energy, and is definite because of quantum discontinuities. [BDRAGON] St-Leo and why wouldn't it? [Floyd] OK, GS, but where idd that come from? [SMACer] The Big Bang was created by God, and nothing can convince me otherwise [GSquid] Where did what come form? [St-Leo] Because I created Time in the Big Gang Bang [Floyd] The original whatever that started the big bang [GSquid] The pea instanton. [Floyd] Where did that come from then? [GSquid] It's required to exist by the laws of physics. [GSquid] Where does a sphere begin? [BDRAGON] But still, where did it come from? [Floyd] Required to exist? Why? It has to come from something [St-Leo] Read "A Brief History of Time" by a certain animal which calls itself Stewen Hawking [BDRAGON] 2nd law of Therodynamics... [Floyd] So you are saying that the creation of the universe is likea sphere? [GSquid] We're dealing with stff WAY beyond our comprehension. Yes. [SMACer] Yes, somehow, according to Squid, the Universe was created sponteniously, just like people sponteiously appear... Oh wait... [Atahualpa] back again [Floyd] Yes, I agree, way beyond our comprehension - Creation is hard to understand [Floyd] hi again ata [GSquid] Yeah, just like people spontaneously appeared on the 6th day... [St-Leo] There is an alternative viewpoint that universe is an infinite loop of bangs and crunches [Floyd] Not spontaneously [Floyd] Created by God [SMACer] Through Evolution... [Floyd] Also it was only Adam [Floyd] Eve was created from Adams rib [St-Leo] It's either: [Floyd] Evolution is a load of crock [BDRAGON] Giant squid will most likely tell you to read up on something he doesn't know about... [Floyd] IMO [SMACer] A God-Guided Evolution [GSquid] But it doesn't have to be that way... I know quite a bit about creation, and we're discovering more every day... [St-Leo] The Universe appeared from something we don't know OR [St-Leo] The gods appeared from something we don't know [GSquid] Floyd, explain what you mean.... [Floyd] God Guided Evolution is more probably than natural evolution, but I still don't believe it [St-Leo] Occam's Razor favours the first one [Floyd] Explain what? [GSquid] What's wrong with evolution? [BDRAGON] Gods can be indefinite since the laws of Therodynamics would not apply to them [Floyd] The Bible says it didn't happen [St-Leo] Floyd, there are two stories of Creation in the Old Testament [Floyd] Plus hwo could evolution happen [St-Leo] The Rib thing was only in one of them [Floyd] I've had peopel tell me this before, but it isn't really two different ones [GSquid] Then the Bible's wrong. You have all the evidence in the Universe on one side, and an old decaying book on the other. [Floyd] Tell me the two of them [SMACer] Evolution guided by God is the only rational answer. There are so many amazing jumps from from species to another, nature couldn't do it alone *** masq (~java_user@2091553086.sierratel.com) has joined #apolyton [Floyd] Also, animals won't evolve wihtout a need [BDRAGON] I agree with Imran [Floyd] But if they find a need, that need will probably kill them [St-Leo] Why 1 god? [Floyd] Therefore the dead animals don't evolve [Floyd] Or pass on the need to evolve [St-Leo] Several gods make much more sense [GSquid] YES IT COULD! THere are bajillions of transitional links, and there are always needs...what do you call meteors hittiong and niches expanding? [BDRAGON] Floyd- I have been over this with Squiddy more than once already [GSquid] We all have. People just refuse to discard their beliefs [Floyd] I think that no one is going to convince anyone else about anything in this discussion... [Floyd] Including you Squid [BDRAGON] That includes you, Squid [GSquid] If God created the Universe, He ought to have done a better job... [St-Leo] I think I'll start promoting Hinduism [Lancer] There is no way to prove the existance of God,that was His intention I believe.If creation need His work to continue it would not have been perfect.It doesn't,so it is.Creation is the perpetual motion machine. [BlueWaldo] God did not guid evoution...there is no evolution [Floyd] God created a perfect universe [Floyd] But man destroyed it by sinning [St-Leo] God is either good yet powerless or uncaring yet omnipotent [GSquid] Then man created tornadoes. And volcanoes. And.... [St-Leo] Otherwise there would be no suffering [BDRAGON] No [GSquid] Yes [BDRAGON] God gives everyone a chance to go to heaven [SMACer] You know, sometimes I think that Heaven is planet somewhere, and Hell is another planet somewhere, on different sides of the universe. [St-Leo] If gods have created us, why are sins our fault? [St-Leo] Why not just make sins physically impossible? [BDRAGON] Tornadoes is a side effect of the Earth [Floyd] ?? [GSquid] Except people who's parents were bad, if you read the Bible. People are 'shut out to the tenth generation" [BlueWaldo] becasue u choose to do them [Floyd] ARGH NOT AGAIN *** Floyd has quit IRC (Floyd) [BDRAGON] St-Leo because we have free will *** Floyd (~java_user@sdn-ar-004txdallP090.dialsprint.net) has joined #apolyton [St-Leo] God is a sick little puppy [GSquid] BDRAGON: Any good doctor can stop side effects [Floyd] argh dropped again [BDRAGON] Squid- not all of the bible is meant to be taken literally [masq] Question: If there were no such thing as evil, how would we know what good is? [GSquid] Hey! You;'re showing sense! [Floyd] ooh - good question [GSquid] We wouldn't. Your point? [BDRAGON] Man had a chance for things to be perfect- but we lost it by sinning... [St-Leo] There would be no point in defining good, because we could do everything [St-Leo] Thou shalt not eat fruits because they contain vitamins and minerals [Lancer] Morality,the truth is written in your hearts. [GSquid] We CAN'T be perfect! Haven't you heard the saying? "Nobody's perfect" It's as impossible as holding your breath forever. [masq] Another question: Would you like to be "unable" to sin, acting as a robot of the gods? [SMACer] God is perfect [Floyd] Agreed - we can't be perfect [Floyd] But Adam and Eve were created perfect [St-Leo] If the gods wanted me to like it [Floyd] They lost that perfection by sinning [masq] If sin were impossible, we could (and would have to be) perfect. [Floyd] agreed masq [BDRAGON] But through the grace of God we can be saved [GSquid] If GOD was omnipotent, then He'd be able to create a Universe in which people both had free will AND were perfect. [Floyd] it is one or the otehr gs [SMACer] The angels are perfect [Lancer] bbl [SMACer] GS, but what is the fun in that! ;) [St-Leo] This Jesus Free Love thing sounds too much like the 60s Free Love thing [GSquid] SMACer: Does God need fun? [masq] You can't have free will and universal perfection. They are mutually exclusive. Free will admits the opportunity to destroy perfection. [SMACer] Why not [St-Leo] Yeah baby, go Maria Magdalena. That sure feels good [SMACer] Ok, I gotta go........................ [GSquid] But omnipotence allows you to do the impossible and mutually exclusive. [Atahualpa] what is this here? Church? [Floyd] ok bye imran.. [GSquid] Bye., [Floyd] It is a pointless debat actually ata :) *** SMACer has quit IRC (SMACer) [BDRAGON] If we were Perfect, we wouldn't have free will! [GSquid] Now, who's going to get ToT? :) [Floyd] Who wants to move on to something else? [Floyd] I am [GSquid] I am [St-Leo] Yeah, we atheists need some door-to-door missionaries:-) [BDRAGON] I might [Floyd] When does it come out? [St-Leo] I am going to get ToT [GSquid] 5th? 6th? [Floyd] of august? all right! [St-Leo] I sure hope it doesn't have copy protection, I hate that feature [Floyd] lol [Floyd] me too [GSquid] What? Youmean you need the CD in? [St-Leo] Yeah [St-Leo] I heard MGE did that [GSquid] AAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHH [Floyd] That's what a CD burner is for :) [Floyd] MGE did do that [St-Leo] I mean I want a legal copy that allows me to multitask with the CD Player [Floyd] brb... [BlueWaldo] brb... [Atahualpa] ping [DanQ] I'm back [GSquid] ping? What's that? [Atahualpa] hey dan [Atahualpa] nothing, wanted to say something [St-Leo] WB [GSquid] Hmmm...now we have to go to Civ related topics....:) [DanQ] LOL [DanQ] Any other ACS related questions? [St-Leo] Yeah, don't tell him of what I did with Lara Croft! [Atahualpa] will members from Firaxis come too today [DanQ] We thought they might, but I guess they were unable to attend. [DanQ] Same as with the folks from Hasbro/MicroProse, but of course they're busy with ToT] [GSquid] Yeah. What's wrong with the database. They call a modpack a patch, a patch "special", a scenario a modpack, and various other stuff. [DanQ] Which database is this? [St-Leo] Don't use it:-) [GSquid] Yours. [Floyd] ok back... [DanQ] I KNOW that. i.e. CivII, SMAC, CTP [Floyd] Hey Dan, you're back! *** MarkG (markg@koza-b04.otenet.gr) has joined #apolyton [GSquid] Civ2 [Atahualpa] hey mark *** DanQ sets mode: +o MarkG [MarkG] hI again [GSquid] MarkG and DanQ both come on at the same time. Coincidence? I think not.... [Floyd] hi again mark [DanQ] Another question about the CivII database, Mark, about it not working properly... [St-Leo] Heh [DanQ] No coincidence, unless Markos decided to time his return with mine. [GSquid] Errr..never mind. [DanQ] Never mind what? [Floyd] This is sad i've been on the computer for almost 4 hours straight... [GSquid] The database. [MarkG] I'll check [DanQ] What's that Squid? [GSquid] NEVER MIND!!!!!!!!!!! [MarkG] all is well... [GSquid] *Goes into a corner somewhere* [MarkG] ok :) *** GSquid has quit IRC (GSquid) [DanQ] Oh, I see, you realized everything is OK. :) *** GSquid (~java_user@cx17383-a.orng1.occa.home.com) has joined #apolyton [MarkG] so, what's up? [masq] bye all... *** masq has quit IRC (masq) [GSquid] Bye, [DanQ] Bye masq, thanks for coming [Atahualpa] why you quit all the time? [Floyd] well, we just got finished arguing about evolution and religion, etc. [Floyd] by emasq [DanQ] Ah [Floyd] Who was this masq person anyway? [GSquid] And our plots to overthrow Ming while you're not looking. [Floyd] lol [Floyd] scroll up, oh wait don't :) [GSquid] Sure....laugh... [St-Leo] Ming for the evil *censored* moderatorship! [MarkG] Hey guys, did you know that Tres's smac scenarios are in Gamecenter's downloads? [Floyd] didn't know that [Atahualpa] Where is Ming anyway? [DanQ] Congratulations Tres, whereever he is! [Floyd] sleeping probably [Floyd] or working [Floyd] This is a Monday, after all [Atahualpa] or moderating :) [Floyd] or is it Tuesday or Sunday? [GSquid] Hmmmm...moderators out, administrators both in chat, this gives me an idea...... [Floyd] I don't even remember anymore [DanQ] Yes -- today I have off of work, but even if I didn't it's an Ontario holiday [GSquid] What holiday? [St-Leo] Someday [St-Leo] I dunno, but I have only been living here for about 5 years [Floyd] I have to work 25 whole hours this week - that sucks [DanQ] Civic, I believe [Floyd] I have to work tonight :( [DanQ] I am working 40+ hrs/week this summer [Floyd] *Homer scream* [Floyd] I couldn't do that [Floyd] I'd something something [DanQ] heheheh, I thought you might react that way [GSquid] What's your job? [DanQ] I did it last summer as well. I've gotten used to it [Floyd] I work at Best Buy [St-Leo] Teacher... Mother... Secret Lover... [MarkG] Btw, did you notice Joe's vacation? [Floyd] no [Floyd] what did he do? [Floyd] All I saw was his last thread on the OT [GSquid] vacation or....Vacation? [DanQ] Community Access Program (CAP) Co-Ordinator in my neck of the woods. [Floyd] at the top [Floyd] doesn't sound so bad... [DanQ] More info: cap.unb.ca (National) [DanQ] No, it's not... teaching people about computers & the Net. I work out of the local library. [Floyd] Man that would be cool compared to my stupid job [BDRAGON] Was Joe Banned? [GSquid] You should be good at that... [MarkG] Disabled for a week.... [GSquid] http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum23/HTML/003166.html?date=14:26 [DanQ] What do you do at Best Buy, Floyd? [Floyd] Cashier [GSquid] There's Ming, whatdya know.... [Floyd] Wait a sec - what was wrong with Joe's last thread? [MarkG] well, I'm gone for good this time, will be back in 2-3 hours in case someone is still here :) [GSquid] Bye. [Floyd] I probalby won't be or if i am that is sad [Floyd] bye [GSquid] LOL [DanQ] L8r Floyd [MarkG] ttyl *** MarkG has quit IRC (Leaving) [DanQ] I'll be here for the next 10-15 mins or so, then I too must be going. [Floyd] oh goody unmoderated chat! :) [Atahualpa] what are you doing dan? [DanQ] Right now? Working on ACS update. :) [GSquid] Yay! What is it? [Floyd] brb i need something else to drink... [Atahualpa] what will be updated? [DanQ] You'll see. *** BDRAGON has quit IRC (Ping timeout for BDRAGON[user-2iveg2d.dialup.mindspring.com]) [Floyd] ok back [Atahualpa] I dont want to see, I want to know! [Atahualpa] :) [Floyd] lol [DanQ] LOL [Atahualpa] ctp updates? [GSquid] I am going. [Floyd] this is getting quiet... *** GSquid has quit IRC (GSquid) [Floyd] bye gs [Floyd] well what should we talk about? [DanQ] A little one, yes (re: update) [Floyd] someone quick say something [Floyd] wanna start a story thread in here? *** BDRAGON (~java_user@user-2iveg2d.dialup.mindspring.com) has joined #apolyton [Floyd] Come on, you're killing me here, say something... [Atahualpa] k, I think I go too [Floyd] ok bye [Atahualpa] I am here since 2 hours and 48 minutes [Atahualpa] or so [Floyd] too long :) [Floyd] same with me [Atahualpa] yes :) [Floyd] though [DanQ] ACS update should be up within the hour. [DanQ] Thanks to everyone for coming out to this celebration chat. [Floyd] Thanks for having it... [DanQ] Feel free to stick around and chat some more, if you so desire. [Atahualpa] thank you dan for organizing it [DanQ] You're welcome. [DanQ] TTYL, [DanQ] DAN [Atahualpa] bye everybody [Floyd] I think some story threads need my attention...:) [Floyd] bye ata *** Atahualpa has quit IRC (Leaving) *** Disconnected Session Close: Mon Aug 02 14:50:10 1999
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