On Saturday May 29th, Apolyton CS and Sidgames.com organized the Second Civers Chat. We didn't hit 100 people, but
the chat went for almost 4 hours. Here's the log
Session Start: Sat May 29 23:43:46 1999
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[AP_Akula] hey
[SG_St-Leo] Greetings
[MarkG] hi
[SG_St-Leo] Yo
[Tarkus] I am here my fellow Warriors...
[Tarkus] Always wanted to say that...
[SG_St-Leo] So, Dan Dunn, have you slayed your dragon today?:-)
[Tarkus] Just finished a WZ2100 game, it was two humans against 9 AI's !
[ACS_Akula] hey all
[Stewart] Hello all. I am Stewart Spink.
[Stewart] ...if you hadn't guessed.
[SG_St-Leo] Wow, deep!
[Tarkus] hello Stewart
[Mentat] Hello
[ACS_Akula] hey all
[leamy] im letting akula hack my machine
[Stewart] Hi all.
[Stewart] Why?!
[EgoMaster] Hi all
[SG_JHill] hey leo
[Stewart] ...if you hadn't guessed.
[Zakhiago] whats happening? just a civ chat?
[SG_JHill] hey zakhiago
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[DSquared] heya
[ACS_MarkG] Greetings to the best friend of the average civ site :)
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[DSquared] heh
* Mentat slaps Mentat around a bit with a large trout
[Tarkus] self-abuse, whats the world coming to...
[SG_JHill] zakhiago wants me to tell that he cant continue this chat due to an ric problem, he sends his regards to everybody
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[Anonymous] # Appears as XENO.
* SG_JHill slaps SG_St-Leo_BRB around a bit with a large trout
[Zakhiago] bye. I can't really read anything... I hope this is spelle drigfht
[Mentat] It's been a while since I've used mIRC
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[SG_JHill] i only use irc for sidgames chats, else i never use it
[ACS_Akula] identify ultimate
[Mentat] So, for those of you who have both, which is better: SMAC or C:CTP?
[Tarkus] dont know how to use it - well lets make him a boss
[SG_JHill] thanks! what am i supposed to do with it?
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[SG_JHill] i played both although i only have ctp, i liked what i saw of smac
[ACS_MarkG] Mentat: both :)
[Mentat] I haven't played either. :( except SMAC demo.
[ACS_Akula] hey dan
[Tarkus] hey - where's Yang? Did we invite him?
[ACS_DanQ] Good evening, Derek, and everyone else!
[Mentat] Hi DanQ
[Tarkus] Hey MarkG - if I'm one of only a handful, can I get upgraded from Jr. Civer to a full Civer?
[Tarkus] that show up i mean
[ACS_MarkG] you'll be one when you have 31 posts
[Tarkus] ah shucks !!
[Mentat] Hehe
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[Tarkus] MarkG - How many posts does Yang have?
[ACS_Akula] where is kshah
[Tarkus] too many is my guess
[ACS_MarkG] Yang? I dont remember this login
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[chica] # Appears as LANCE.
[chica] lo
[chica] lo?
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[LordStone1] Hey
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[LordStone1] I can't hang around that much since I'm doing my homework at the same time but I'll leave this on, okay?
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[Mentat] Hi Lordstone
[ACS_MarkG] should we be officialy starting?
[LordStone1] i guess so
[ACS_MarkG] Derek...
[DSquared] ok
[LordStone1] but remember, this is Memorial Day weekend in the United States, the 'beginning of summer' so a lot of people are out
[ACS_MarkG] well, this is a civers chat, we dont have a specific topic, so....
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[SG_kshah] hello everyone...
[ACS_MarkG] Hi Kunal
[SG_kshah] the wrong date was announced :-(
[SG_kshah] Saint you there?
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[ACS_MarkG] yeah, well we're now here, so...
[johnt] Hello.
[DSquared] heya
[SG_kshah] MarkG, DanQ wanna get into a good old game of SMAC?
[Mentat] Is there a C:CTP demo out yet?
[ACS_MarkG] not yet Mentat
[johnt] I don't think so, Mentat.
[ACS_MarkG] it's in QA now...
[johnt] MG - LOL ;)
[ACS_MarkG] Kunal, right now? :)
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[Mentat] Quality Assurance?
[johnt] "quality assurance..." yeah,
[ACS_MarkG] John, well, so they say
[ACS_DanQ] Thanks for the offer Kunal, but I'm afraid I'll have to pass...
[johnt] not quite the phrase I'd use with CTP.
[Tarkus] When did they form that division?
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[Mentat] When are they going to have it?
[ACS_MarkG] come on guys, there weren't THAT many bugs...
[LordStone1] hello
[LordStone1] hmm
[SG_kshah] yeah Markos, common 1 on 1 ;-)
[SG_kshah] I'm going to send out the newsletter, hopefully get more people in
[johnt] MG - Perhaps not bugs, per se, but gameplay issues.
[Tarkus] How about we talk about SHORT ideas for CivIII...?
[johnt] Keep public works.
[johnt] Down with Settlers!
[SG_kshah] hahaha
[Mentat] I like Settlers!
[Tarkus] SEALS loadable on Subs!
[SG_kshah] yeah, me too!
[ACS_MarkG] John, perhaps the only problem with ctp is that it has civilization in it's name, thus leading people to compare it with civ2 and expecting it to be very similar to it.
[Mentat] Seals?
[LordStone1] I like settlers!
[johnt] Settlers take a 5 minute turn and make it 20. Ugh. Keep away.
[LordStone1] SEALS - super marine units??
[LordStone1] haha
[SG_kshah] well MarkG - in your opinion should CTP have been called Civ 3 : CTP ?
[LordStone1] well actually, CTP2 won't have "civilization" in it...
[Tarkus] Pls SEALS are NAvy, not Marines!!
[Mentat] Seals. Arf Arf
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[LordStone1] gee, sorry.
[cobalt1] ooo.. civ3... mmm.. sid..woohoo!
[Tarkus] :)
[cobalt1] DanQ.. see you just joined Team Gamestats :)
[johnt] MG - I like the game and prefer it to the abominably ugly SMAC, actually. But that doesn't mean
[Mentat] is there going to be a CTP2?
[ACS_DanQ] I did indeed, Cobalt. :-)
[LordStone1] forget SMAC or CTP, Civ3 is THE game.
[Tarkus] I like to see them finish CTP1...
[johnt] that Activision pushed the game out before it hit QA.
[johnt] Takus - precisely.
[ACS_Akula] anybody here from firaxis/activision/hasbro please message me
[johnt] Duh... "Tarkus" Sorry.
[Tarkus] :)
[LordStone1] Oh, I see the evil ChanServ here!
[ACS_MarkG] I dont see a familiar alias Derek...
[LordStone1] Well you never know, MarkG
[LordStone1] Maybe Sid Meier is lurking around...
[ACS_Akula] YEEEEES
[Mentat] ChanServ: always observing, never speaking, waiting for the correct moment to strike. Scary
[ACS_MarkG] John, I can only say that it was worse. I had a early march beta.... :)
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[Mentat] :)
[ACS_Akula] ANYBODY HERE WHO IS WATCHING THE EUROVISION
[ACS_Akula] IRELAND IS ON TOP
[SG_kshah] should check out the thread on our forums.. M thinks St Leo is Sid Meier :-)
[SG_St-Leo] According to some nuts at SidGames forums, I am Sid Meier
[SG_St-Leo] What kshah said
[ACS_MarkG] Derek, sorry to say it, but was a woman's voice? :)
[Tarkus] Tarkus is bowing in front of his computer...
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[Mentat] is there going to be a CTP2?
[ACS_Akula] ireland is in join second
[SG_kshah] and also civilization3.net :-)
[SG_St-Leo] BTW, SidGames is recruiting people and sites:-)
[ACS_Akula] nooooo
[LordStone1] St Leo, you mean you AREN'T Sid?
[Mentat] What does it pay?
[SG_kshah] hahaha
[johnt] Good question, Mentat.
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[ACS_MarkG] I saw lawsuit coming, Kunal :)
[cobalt1] SG vs. ACS ? :)
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[ACS_MarkG] see not saw...
[SG_kshah] we registered civilizationiii.net Saint Leo , and www.civworld.com gave us their domain name ;-)
[SG_St-Leo] Why?
[SG_St-Leo] Oooh
[swansong] no yin26?
[ACS_MarkG] Civilization III is a Hasbro trademark , right?
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[SG_kshah] civworld.com is closing after a massive failure of time effort and money
[SG_kshah] yeah..
[SG_St-Leo] They'll sue Activision first
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[SG_kshah] =)
[SG_St-Leo] www.civ3.com and www.civIII.com are theirs, I think:-)
[ACS_MarkG] yeah they are...
[SG_kshah] we now have 5 domains under our control :-) SidGames.Com, BoTF.Com, AlphaFan.Com, CivWorld.Com, and civilizationiii.net
[Mentat] Didn't this happen with Microsoft?
[cobalt1] botf?
[DSquared] Birth of the Federation
[Tarkus] Domain Wars - the battle for cool names....
[DSquared] I think
[ACS_MarkG] I hope you can afford them
[cobalt1] sid games?
[swansong] When are you going to update the files section at sidgames?
[SG_St-Leo] Dunno
[SG_kshah] soon =)
[swansong] all you have are maps listed
[SG_St-Leo] We'll see based on one of our current merger projects
[LordStone1] fine
[swansong] I liked ACFAN, but you made them dis-appear
[SG_St-Leo] If we merge, they will be our downloads section
[SG_St-Leo] Otherwise, I guess I'll have to do it myself
[SG_kshah] we are evil people! it is what we do :-) no, Jinix had to stop working for a while, his family is in a little crisis
[ACS_Akula] I dont think ireland is going to win
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[ACS_Akula] )-:
[SG_Demiurge-Leo] Soccer?
[Thue] can someone tell me what this chat is about, I just saw the message on the off-topic forum!?
[ACS_Akula] sorry about going off topic btw, just got a but excited when I thought ireland was going to win it for the 5th time this decade
[SG_Demiurge-Leo] General Stuff
[SG_Demiurge-Leo] Civ and other
[SG_kshah] DanQ talking to the guy from MGON now !
[SG_Demiurge-Leo] Games, sites
[swansong] I'm not trying to be confrotational, but since merger of sites, you haven't taken the best of those sites and used them for you betterment.
[SG_Demiurge-Leo] We also just host stuff now:-)
[LordStone1] So what is going on here?
[swansong] AC heaven had lots of files, so did AC Fan.
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[LordStone1] What - Demiurge Leo?
[LordStone1] Are you a demigod or something?
[swansong] I read the forums all the time. Why is there so much contention?
[SG_Demiurge-Leo] Contention=Competition?:-)
[Tarkus] swansong - They allow Humans to partisipate...
[swansong] as to what?
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[swansong] If you guys aren't going to chat, why did you come here?
[SG_St-Leo] Uh
[SG_St-Leo] You stupified us a bit, sorry:-)
[ACS_MarkG] swansong, your login on the forums?
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[Mentat] I'm taking a look at the database program, MarkG
[swansong] I don't login, because what I have to say would only spoil it for others
[Mentat] Eveyrthing is rated 'NR'
[Tarkus] What's that mean??
[swansong] I just spend hours reading the replies
[DSquared] swansong: irc without idling just wouldn't be irc anymore
[SG_St-Leo] I think it means he'd love to flame:-)
[SG_kshah] Not Rated
[Tarkus] I'll bet he's yin26...:)
[swansong] I don't have the talent of YIN, et al.
[SG_St-Leo] Maybe it's Larry Speer in disguise:-)
[ACS_MarkG] Mentat, of course it is. we dont have ratings yet...
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[ACS_MarkG] Larry?
[ACS_MarkG] :)
[LordStone1] Albert?
[swansong] Is there going to be anything constructive done here today?
[SG_St-Leo] Yes;0)
[SG_St-Leo] Uh, no
[swansong] what?
[Mentat] Documentation is kind of low, but oh well. It could be worse
[Tarkus] Were just waiting for you to leave...:)
[swansong] thanx tarkus
[SG_kshah] yes.. we need a game of SMAC going!
[Tarkus] NP - no problemo
[Tarkus] :)
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[Mentat] Let's see. No functions?
[Tarkus] civIII - spies should also be loadable into subs...
[swansong] I don't login, because what I have to say would only spoil it for others
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[SG_St-Leo] Uh
[SG_St-Leo] Too much Tom Clancy, eh?:-)
[Tarkus] civIII - Navy Seals should be invisible, unless you walk right up on them. Then you die...
[Stewart] where are the 200 people then? ;-)
[Wulf] Hello all
* Wulf relaxes on the couch with a Coke...
[Thue] Have you shown the civIII suggestion list to Brian yet? What was his response?
[Tarkus] St-Leo - don't read much TC, but what I have read was very realistic!
[SG_St-Leo] Hail
[ACS_MarkG] Hi Wulf
[ACS_DanQ] Tom Clancy is an excellent author (IMO)
[SG_St-Leo] civIII - Navy Seals automatically torture and murder druggies (Without Remorse)
[Wulf] DanQ: I agree... I haven't read alot, but what I have has been excellent
[Wulf] From what I understand, TC has alot of friends in the military who help him with the realism.
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[Tarkus] What else should you do with them (the druggies, that is)!
[SG_St-Leo] civIII - New York's Time Square is bombed on New Year
Eve, 1999 (Politika)
[Mentat] druggies should be loadable on subs too
[Tarkus] lol
[SG_St-Leo] civIII - All environmentalists are forced to go naked through the rainforest (Rainbow Six)
[Tarkus] good thinkin
[Tarkus] but you'll need better icons
[ACS_DanQ] I have read three of his novels, and am on a fourth. I bought about seven in advance...
[ACS_DanQ] Sorry to have gone off-topic, but that just struck me as something I was interested in.
[SG_kshah] hey DanQ! I think I got them to close it!! WHOO HOOOOOOO
[Tarkus] Let's get Tom on the team, he live here in Baltimore to I think.
[Wulf] I have trouble thinking much about CivIII when I'm having trouble getting CTP to work still/.
[Wulf] Everyone is in Baltimore? And we're on an Irish irc server? ;)
[Tarkus] Is everyone from Baltimore ?!?!
[Wulf] I'm in Atlanta...
[Starchild] I'm in Canada, and MarkG is in Ohio. Not everyone is from Balitmore.
[Thue] I know some people who are not from baltimore...
[Mentat] I thought MarkG was from Greece
[DSquared] I'm In British Columbia
[Starchild] Nope, Ohio.
[Starchild] :)
[Wulf] I was just responding to Tarkus' comment... sorry for the confusion. ;)
[Starchild] MarkG is going to punish me....
[ACS_MarkG] Starchild is a confused person.... :)
[SG_kshah] =)
[SG_kshah] MarkG is from Greece..
[SG_St-Leo] Toronto, Canada
[SG_kshah] he's from...
[SG_kshah] Thesalonicki
[ACS_MarkG] he missed his medication the last couple of days...
[SG_kshah] doh, spelled wrong again!
[ACS_MarkG] Thessaloniki actually
[SG_kshah] now hunt him down! ;-)
[Mentat] Is that in Greece?
[ACS_MarkG] yeah
[SG_St-Leo] Duh
[ACS_MarkG] Wulf did you check that page in activision's site?
[Wulf] MarkG: which one?
[SG_St-Leo] Greece conquered it before Serbia and Bulgaria
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[ACS_MarkG] see my response in your thread on the ac forums
[ACS_DanQ] I'm from Canada as well
[ACS_MarkG] St-Leo, "liberated"
[Wulf] MarkG: one sec... checking
[Thue] And now for something incredibly on-topic: do you think they can make the civIII world _really_ round? Will they?
[Tarkus] I'd like that!!
[Mentat] That would be cool
[SG_kshah] always wanted to visit Athens, heard crime was bad there though
[Mentat] It would make it hard to view the map, though
[Tarkus] It scolls around now, what would be different?
[SG_St-Leo] Heard smog was bad there:-)
[Wulf] I suppose you could 3D render it, and then use a quicktime-like interface to rotate it
[ACS_MarkG] Kunal, definately not worse than the US....
[Tarkus] (speaking about civ2 of course)
[ACS_MarkG] Thue, like populus?
[Thue] For 1 thing, you can't maek the world with squares or hexes without warping them
[Thue] yes, like populous
[SG_St-Leo] Uh, Geodesic dome?
[Tarkus] I think you could do it with hexes....
[Tarkus] mathmatically speaking
[Thue] I am pretty sure you can't make a ball of arbitrery size of hexes
[SG_kshah] is it?
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[Wulf] They could be warped... I mean longitude and latitue coordinates could be used perhaps?
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[Thue] I have a hard time imagining how it could be done.
[Thue] Even if you tried to warp the hexes I can't see it working
[Tarkus] Thue - what your email, I'll send you a graphic...
[Thue] But if tey could in populous...
[Wulf] MarkG: I'll try some of those suggestions... however, that still wouldn't explain why its looking for the CD on a multiplayer LAN game anyway
[Thue] thue.kristensen@get2net.dk
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[SG_St-Leo] Hex/Pent combo
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[SG_St-Leo] Creates a sphere
[SG_St-Leo] Like a soccer ball, I think:-)
[Thue] You migth want to post it in the civ forum (which one had HTML enabled?)
[ACS_MarkG] Wulf: it wants the cd to start a game...
[Thue] off-topic hasn't :(
[ACS_MarkG] Kunal, what happened to your newsletter?
[Tarkus] Thue - I'll work on it this weekend...
[Thue] The problem with using hexes and pentagons combined would be that it wouldn't be nice to move on
[Wulf] MarkG: For a multiplayer game over a LAN, you shouldn't need the CD in each drive.
[Wulf] MarkG: If I create the game on one computer, and then try to join that game from the lobby, why is it giving me a CD not found error?
[Thue] but if the hexes/pentas were small enougth it would work (you wouldn't be moving units yourself, the automove yould)
[Thue] hey, I think that migth actually be a solution :)
[SG_kshah] what do you mean MarkG?
[ACS_MarkG] Kunal, your newsletter was merged or something?
[SG_St-Leo_BRB] You can't use the keyboard on a hex map anyway:-)
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[Thue] Anyway, I think smaller tiles would be nice. You can have circular cities and all :)
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[ACS_MarkG] yes, cities on more than one tile would be great
[Wulf] MarkG: The solution in the FAQ of opening and closing the CD door and then hitting "retry" worked to load the tutorial... But that wouldn't help in the multiplayer problem where I don't have the CD at all.
[Tarkus] As long as the workable area expanded with the city.
[Thue] How much of this is on the suggestion list allready?
[Wulf] Instead of having a city's sphere of control a set size, it should grow with population
[Wulf] Cities that don't overlap initially might if their populations grow enough
[Wulf] That's pretty realistic anyway... look at Californie.
[Wulf] errr... California even
[Tarkus] Wulf - then there'd be WAR!
[ACS_MarkG] in that case you could have one HUGE city
[Wulf] Tarkus: yes, probably... and? ;_
[Thue] realistic also
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[Mentat] Intraracial war?
[Tarkus] civIII - no lawyers PLEASE !
[Wulf] MarkG: well, not if there are population limits on the city... I mean a cities size is limited by manageability
[Mentat] Civil War, that is?
[Wulf] I.e.- as a cities size increases, cost of maintenance, corruption, policing, etc all rise.
[Wulf] you'd have an incentive to keep pop down
[Tarkus] good point...
[Wulf] oh, and pollution of course... at the early tech stages
[Wulf] If you've seen SW:TPM, think of Coruscant... one big city. heheh...
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[Wulf] But then corruption was a problem there, wasn't it?
[Wulf] I still don't know how they managed traffic.
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[Tarkus] Maybe you assigned them like tax collectors and scientists.
[Domino] uhm... REALLY lots of ppl =)
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[Tarkus] But the quality is high, mon!
[DSquared_] bleh
[Wulf] I also think that the concepts behind capital cities needs to be rethought...
[Guest39000] WHat are the Main differences between Civilization II and Civilization: Call to Power???
[Wulf] I mean, Washington DC proves that being a capital city doesn't nessecarily eliminate or reduce crime.
[Tarkus] CTP sucks
[Domino] but since I'm for some reason still here, and since there MIGHT be someone listening =), whats your favourite civ-clone? Civ, civ2, alpha centauri or Civ CTP?
[Tarkus] Civ doesn't
[Domino] guest: only the concept is the same!
[Wulf] Domino: my wife would say Civ, I'd say Alpha Centauri.
[Domino] heh =)
[Domino] I dumped alpha centauri pretty early, but I guess I'll have to give it another chance..
[Guest39000] DOes CIC:CTP reach will S. America?
[Domino] huh?
[Tarkus] Wulf - maybe something like district capitals would work?
[Thue] Another idea could be a new kind of tech tree. You could make 2 kinds of techs: New tech and improvements on old ones. For example you could choose between climbing the tech tree towards musketeers or improving your bowmen. The bowman tech would lead nowhere, but you would improve your units.
[Thue] that would be a fun dilemma
[Domino] Wulf: your thoughts about the capital-system is right I guess, BUT!! You cant deny that as further away you get from the guys that are running an empire, they get more and more problems handling the crime
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[Wulf] Tarkus: dunno... it may have to depend on the players choices and goverment...
[Tarkus] Thue - the choice would be yours to foolw that tech path, but I think you'd get left behind.
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