[aCa] Activision guys: Can you allow Mark
[aCa] post the manual
[aCa] (-:
[[ATVI]Azmel] MarkG, time constraints mostly. Diplomacy had plenty of features and the rules for how the AI should respond to break agreement propoosals was not clear cut.
[NemoX] pleeeeease!?
[meriadoc] Yeah, it'd let us play the game the second it's installed, and we'd still know what we're doing
[Atahualpa] DanTheMan: There is no advantage for me in surrendering! Without I can at least kill one unit, when I surrender the enemy gets my units as well!!!! That makes him just stronger
[MarkG] so, if i enable it, will it work?
[Dracon] Hey Hey
[DanTheMan] ata - in the diplomacy screen, you can request a cease fire or peace treaty and, in exchange, offer a city. If the player accepts, it may buy you precious time to muster an army to take back the city, or send an army or two to their land to then muscle THEM into acquiescing to your demands. But YMMV. Some hate to flinch.
[Locutus] hi dracon
[Dracon] how are yas?
[NemoX] ata: sell the city wall, move units out side, recouperate, and re-attack :p
[meriadoc] Good strategy
[mrogre] There can be an advantage to surrendering it though - you avoid going to war. In fact, giving up the city might even be tied to receiving a peace treaty, something you wouldn't get if you let them conquer you.
[meriadoc] But I'd never surrender either
[[ATVI]Azmel] MarkG, uh.. don't think so. Maybe we'll get time for a mod so you can write slic code to handle it. Most of that code is in already, but a few things are missing.
[Atahualpa] DanTheMan: oops forget about the new diplomacy options! :D yes that makes sense
[Dracon] so release is delayed for non-Yanks once again?
[mrogre] Dracon: by about 2 weeks.
[NemoX] i you surrender a city, do they still possibley get a tech advance?
[NemoX] i=if
[StSwithin] no
[aCa] Did anyone answer if Markos could post the manual?
[[ATVI]Azmel] Dracon, what do you expect, we can even do an election in two weeks!
[Dracon] AAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[StSwithin] no advance for a surrendered city
[DanTheMan] in other words, ata, I have used surrender city to extreme advantage diplomatically. It has appeased strong enemies and even endeared them to me. You can hold an strong foe off, seek an alliance or military pact with another guy and then, when attacked by the strong guy, request they honor the mil agrmt.
[NemoX] stswithin: good
[Locutus] hmm, another SLIC question, if it isn't getting too boring ;) : can you somehow 'manipulate' ruins? Add/Delete them?
[StSwithin] neblig, did I add that?
[Atahualpa] Dan: thx, I see now!
[Neblig] No, you can't add or delete ruins in SLIC.
[Dracon] bloody ameri-centric world!!!! Whatever happened to the Soviet Union? (joke)
[StSwithin] I can't remember
[meriadoc] I think that they're hoping that if they ignore the manual question long enough we'll give up
[NemoX] what a bout a tech tree on paper? whats teh deal? do we still get it? or do we have to print it?
[DanTheMan] ata - cool! Our Diplomacy system has a LOT of flexibility. :)
[Locutus] Too bad, didn't really expect it anyway...
[Atahualpa] yeah :)
[Atahualpa] next question: is it possible to do "attack plans" with allies?
[MarkG] meriadoc: we dont have a lawyer here unfortunately.... :)
[mrogre] There's no one here right now who can answer about putting the manual online. I'm all for it. But I am Not A Lawyer.
[DWhite] hehe meridoc, actually I think we're just not certain. I'd have to say no to be safe. But I'll check with higher-ups and let Markus know if he can.
[Locutus] good one ata
[Atahualpa] thx
[meriadoc] Okay, that's good enough. Thanks
[[ATVI]Azmel] Ata, nope. Would love to, but it's not a simple thing to do.
[Atahualpa] i guessed that :(
[Biff] Are there lawyers in CTP2. If so, do they work the same way?
[DanTheMan] ata - if you mean coordinating attacks with AI - no. You can request support, you can offer support, but you cannot talk to another player and say, "on three, attack Germany with everything you got."
[DanTheMan] Biff - yes and yes.
[Neblig] Yes, Biff,
[meriadoc] At lest the allies now will actually attack an enemy. Isn't that something ata?
[Dracon] are there different futuristic units from the original CtP?
[MarkG] does anyone remember if the "lets attack city X" options worked in smac?
[DWhite] NemoX, the tech tree poster is included in the game. Same as CTP1
[Atahualpa] thats not said yet? ;)
[Atahualpa] Mark: Yes it does!
[NemoX] dwhite: ok - good :)
[meriadoc] Thanks for the poster :)
[NemoX] mark: i dont think so, at least not for me
[Biff] Can you bring down an American President with special prosecuters?
[Locutus] :)
[NemoX] LOL
[aCa] lol
[Biff] joke
[mrogre] Only if you build the Monica unit first.
[meriadoc] Or a confusing ballot? :)
[Locutus] :D
[Biff] hahahaha
[meriadoc] Don't forget the cigars :)
[DanTheMan] Dracon - there are some new future underwater units. The Scout Sub - a fast, wide-vision, stealthy scout fishie. :) The Dreadnaught - a large, strong, big, mean, nasty underwater ranged attack unit. The Kraken - another underwater ranged assault unit.
[NemoX] biff: what, send you lawyer to the capital? :)
[MarkG] btw, that thing with alexander is really strange.... :)
[Locutus] How long does it take to resolve elections in a CtPII Democracy? ;)
[Neblig] Which thing, Mark?
[Dracon] Do you still have the genetic and diamond ages?
[MarkG] the thing with the wives :)
[Dracon] because I heard the timeline is shorter in CtP2
[meriadoc] Or at least better lookuing cities?
[aCa] Was you soposed to get a wife or somthing in the Alexander scenario or did I just read wrong?
[NemoX] until Dec 10 when thet electorial college vote, not when Propaganda/Tv says so
[DanTheMan] Dracon - yep. Genetic and Diamond Ages are still in the game.
[DanTheMan] Dracon - the timeline is shorter in turns. 4000 BC to AD 2300 (rather than AD 3000).
[Neblig] Yes, one of the objectives of Alexander is to get married and have kids
[Biff] Are there military generals in CTP2?
[meriadoc] I thought it was shorter in years, longer in turns
[NemoX] it went to 3000 before? wow! never realized tthat
[Dracon] thanks Dan
[MarkG] biff: no,but you can have armies
[aCa] How u get married in CTP2??? ;)
[Locutus] it is meriadoc
[Neblig] Not in the main game, but there are in Alexander.
[DanTheMan] biff - ? military generals? Dracon - np.
[DWhite] Actually the timeline is longer in turns even though it's shorter in years. Gives you more time to use those future units.
[meriadoc] Thought so
[Biff] So no Nopolan units
[Atahualpa] How u get married in CTP2??? stack a man and a woman together!!!
[DWhite] hehe
[MarkG] on the same tile
[Locutus] :)
[NemoX] what about playability? is it more adictive? i got bored at the later stages of the game. has removin space, and entering the mayor helped that problem?
[StSwithin] ew
[MarkG] is the a certain command???? :D
[aCa] I wanne now more about the marriege too ;)
[StSwithin] I get mad when people come into the office to ask me something while I'm playing
[Locutus] if that is so, Ata, how do you model sex before marriage ;)
[StSwithin] I think it's a lot more addictive
[Neblig] Ata, you cannot get married in the main game. It is a special event in Alexander
[[ATVI]Azmel] Nemox, that's a subjective thing, but I for one still find it addicting.
[Dracon] how difficult is the game at chieftain level?
[StSwithin] considering I've been working on this game for 3 years
[Atahualpa] :)
[NemoX] thats fair :)
[Locutus] that's good to hear, St Swithin
[meriadoc] Definitely
[aCa] Nebling: How get married in the scenario then? ;)
[StSwithin] in fact, I'm playing now
[StSwithin] I have just defeated the Americans
[aCa] I wanne play too :(
[meriadoc] Me too
[aCa] ;)
[Locutus] :)
[NemoX] can you DCC it to me? hehe
[StSwithin] TOO BAD!! HA HA HA!
[StSwithin] just kidding! :)
[Neblig] aCa, wait and see... :-)
[meriadoc] :P
[DanTheMan] nemox - I like the later stages. The units are better, there are some really awesome wonders, too.
[[ATVI]Azmel] StSwithin, be nice to these guys and let them give you move orders. You can relay back what they would be seeing. :-)
[StSwithin] oh, ok
[aCa] I'll have to get a pirate copy from US now ..... and then buy it later when it comes to europe .... ;)
[NemoX] good :)
* [ATVI]Azmel didn't hear that...
[StSwithin] so, I've got a warrior on foot at 41, 97...
[MarkG] can you actually make alliance with everyone??
[aCa] lol
[DanTheMan] as long as you PROMISE to buy it aCa. ;)
[Atahualpa] hi lancer
[StSwithin] we don't use the 'p' word in here...
[DanTheMan] MarkG - yep!
[DanTheMan] It's pretty cool.
[[ATVI]Azmel] MarkG, it's possible, but you can't make an alliance with someone if you're at war with their allie.
[Locutus] :)
[MarkG] so far everyone's disliking me in my current game
[Lancer1] Hey Ata, Hi all
[Locutus] hi Lancer
[MarkG] hi lance
[aCa] Dan'TheMan: I PROMISE to buy it. I have all the civ games orginale .... so I'm going to support you and buy this one too ;)
[meriadoc] Why not? It happens in real life - alliances I mean
[[ATVI]Azmel] There' some friends friends enemy is my enemy kinda logic
[Biff] thanks for the info guys
[DanTheMan] aca - excellent. :)
[Lancer1] Hi Mark
[DanTheMan] biff - np.
[StSwithin] you should buy it cuz it's fun
[Lancer1] Locutus, hi
[NemoX] why the choice for no demo?
[NemoX] i really wanted one
[MarkG] so, I believe darthveda is your favorite apolyton poster.... :)
[StSwithin] it's really not our choice
[StSwithin] it's up to activision
[NemoX] oh, them
[NemoX] i dont like them...but i think i said that before ;)
[NemoX] i just like the programmers :)
[NemoX] et al.
[Locutus] agreed NemoX :)
[Neblig] just the programmers :-(
[DanTheMan] it's a marketing/pr/management call, nemox. Not a hacker/geek/programmer/designer call. :)
[Locutus] he said at al
[meriadoc] And everyone else on the CTP team
[aCa] Wish I never had showed up here ..... now it's getting even harder to wait for the game to come to wurope :;)
[NemoX] neblig: i put et al. ;)
[meriadoc] aca: Amazon.com won't send it to you there?
[Neblig] oh, but et al includes producers and marketing and upper management, etc... :-)
[NemoX] well...ok i'll shut up now then ;p
[aCa] mariedoc:the shipping takes so long time to me :(
[Locutus] nah, how can anyone like such people :)
[[ATVI]Azmel] Ok, bye guys. Enjoy the game! I gotta get some food or I'll pass out.
[StSwithin] mee too!
[meriadoc] Oh, sorry
[NemoX] bye, thanks azmel
[NemoX] by stswithin
[Locutus] thanks for all, bye
[MarkG] bye Azmel, see you on the forums!
[meriadoc] Thanks guys
[NemoX] thanks all
[aCa] Thx for the the asnwer aswer guys. Loooooking forward to the game
[StSwithin] by
[mrogre] Yes, well past time for lunch, thanks for coming everyone. I'll see you on the forums.
[StSwithin] thanks for coming!
[MarkG] lunch time StSwithin
[meriadoc] Have fun
[Locutus] bye
[Atahualpa] thanks
[Atahualpa] bye
[MarkG] see you!
[DanTheMan] are there any more design-related questions? If not, I'm going to go eat, too. It's waaay past lunch time here in LA.
[Locutus] CU
[Atahualpa] ok i am leaving too bye
[MarkG] ok, i guess this is it
[Locutus] yeah, guess so.
[Lancer1] Well, I'm looking forward to the game, but sadly slept through the chat. :) Such is life...
[DWhite] Thanks alot guys. It was fun.
[aCa] MarkG. I guess your putting out the answers you got here tomorrow? I didn't get the start of the chat ;)
[WesW] Did I miss everything?
[Locutus] bye and thnx
[Locutus] yes wes
[aCa] Wes : yes
[Lancer1] Good time to hit the forums...
[MarkG] btw i guess you're now waiting for "Day 4", right?
[WesW] I guess I will read about it in the news.
[Locutus] read the transcrapts though...
[MarkG] there's going to be a log....
[aCa] Mark: right :)
[Locutus] yes Markos
[MarkG] argh :)
[Locutus] :)
[DanTheMan] see ya, folks. Thanks a lot!
[DWhite] Bye guys.
[Locutus] no, thank you
[Neblig] bye bye
[Locutus] bye
[aCa] Not easy to be Markos..... but I don't feel sorry for him .... since he has CTP2 ;)
[Lancer1] Enjoy the impressions and info Mark, thanks...heading for day 4 now.

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