<Ribannah>  Level a destroyed city leaves a road
<XarXo>  we can rebuild the city ?
<XarXo>  (paying some gold coins)
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>  XarXo> You can found a city on top of ruins but you can't rebuild a ruined city
<Aro>  Mike, my question about the foreign advisor's screen... Will be possible see every civ in a game?
<Locutus>  uhm, 3.5 is pretty much finished I think. but if you want 3.6 (which is more like a variant, not an upgrade), I think you will only need to replace one diplomod.slc file with another...
<Ribannah>  sure you can, it just takes time ...
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>  Aro> Only if there are only 8 or less civs in the game. We have added a more obvious way of swapping leaders in and out though
<XarXo>  so, if I build a city, destroy it, build another next, destroy it... I can have an area full of ruins? Ruins are equivalent to the city ? It has any effect in the terrain production? Can I c
<Propaganda>  yeah, I wanted 3.6, because of the new government cooperation option, and setting up embassies through diplomacy.
<XarXo>  clean the ruins?
<alva848>  Has there been mentioning of an official release date yet?
<Carlos113>  bye!
<XarXo>  bye carlos!
<XarXo>  see ya
<Ribannah>  A circle of ruins would be nice
<Propaganda>  Hey Mike, anyway to implement a version of the Regicide game into the Single-PLayer campaign.
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>  XarXo> Ruins go away when anything is built on top of them. They have no effect on production or anything else.
<Locutus>  ah, ok. well, like I said, you probably just have to replace one diplomod.slc file with another (in this case probably WAW_diplomod.slc, you'll need to rename the diplomod.slc of 3.6)
<Propaganda>  Maybe have a leader unit, which you must protect or you lose.
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  hey!
<Aro>  Thanks, Mike. Not what I want hear, but it's ok.
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>  Propaganda> You can play regicide in single player as with all short game modes (except turnless)
<Propaganda>  It would be nice if it was a victory option.
<XarXo>  ok!
<Locutus>  but I'm not entirely sure, you'll have to check if there are other files in the download - it would be best to ask Dale himself...
<alva848>  hi soren
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  sorry I'm late -- had meetings.
<Propaganda>  Oh, that's good. Thanks.
<WarpStorm>  Will you ever make that screen (F4) more friendly to 8+ players (adding a button doesn't solve the fundamental problem)
<Ribannah>  Soren!
<Level>  Could we add an effect in the editor
<XarXo>  Hi Soren
<alva848>  don't let it happen again , ok
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>  WarpStorm> Probably not. Being pretty won out on that screen.
<notyoueither>  good time for me to wake up... hi soren
<Propaganda>  Thanks for the help, Locutus.
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  is Trip here? I just played his Civil War Scenario for the first time last night. It was well done.
<alva848>  anything new on the AI side of things?
<Ribannah>  Are there going to be more zoom levels?
<WarpStorm>  Please tell us some new feature that we haven't already heard about.
<Propaganda>  Soren, try the Modern Day scenario, as well. I think it deserves honorable mention in PTW.
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  I got destroyed by swarms of Union skirmishers. (although since I wrote the AI, I win either way...)
<Propaganda>  Just be patient with the load times.
<Locutus>  np, Propaganda...
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  there are AI improvements for ptw, although most of them involve the new features (victory conditions, radar towers, civil defense, etc...)
<alva848>  lol
<Propaganda>  I think the scenario is called "Now!" if I'm correct.
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  where is Modern Day?
<Ribannah>  more AI cheating, huh?
<alva848>  Is that the one form Vel?
<Propaganda>  Should be on CivFanatics Completed Scenarios forum.
<XarXo>  We'll have Dark Ages (a counterpart to Golden ones) in Civ III : PtW ?
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  unfortunately not... it was on Regent (how embarassing...)
<WarpStorm>  Soren, what's the best way to use Radar Towers?
<Propaganda>  It's simply called Now!
<Ribannah>  Will the AI ask higher prices for resources?
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  actually, the Golden Age idea started as a Dark Ages idea... but we determined Golden Ages were fun while Dark Ages were frustrating...
<Propaganda>  Mike or Soren, any possible way to turn off tech-trading between AI civs completely?
<XarXo>  Disease waves ala european middle ages when your cities are too much crowded?
<XarXo>  Woohohoo, so Dark Ages existed
<XarXo>  the good thing could be that it happened very very rarely
<Propaganda>  Maybe if they have a MPP or Military Alliance, they can trade them, but if not, they should be forced to do their own research.
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  well, I tried to have the AI make sure that each tile in its territory is covered.. although it's a non-optimal algorithm (intentionally) to get some redundant overlap to prepare for the worst.
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  Also, it is good to build thme on mountains to get a defensive bonus.
<Propaganda>  I agree with Ribannah about resources.
<Ribannah>  Just have one unit set foot on anotehr continent and 90% of the local population dies.
<WarpStorm>  Redundancy is a good thing in military matters.
<alva848>  I think , anarchy represent 'dark ages' ( not completely, but , sort of)
<XarXo>  We can transform a colony in a city by using only another worker?
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  prop: you can turn off trading of a bunch of things (comm, ma, mpp, etc.) but unfortunately, not techs...
<Ribannah>  Soren will the AI mine more instead of unused +20 food from irrigation?
<XarXo>  we can build a limited amount of things in colonies (seaport/airport to connect it commercialy)
<XarXo>  ?
<Kalgacus>  testing
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  XarXo: that was also something we tried originally, but we found it unbalancing...
<XarXo>  anarchy is just a consequence of Dark Age
<Propaganda>  MUST..TURN..OFF..RAMPANT TECH TRADING!
<XarXo>  oh
<XarXo>  it could be great in place like antarctica or with the no-build-city flag
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  btw, I should clear up a misunderstanding about AI-to-AI tech trading (the rate in the editor)
<Propaganda>  Soren, can you folks please make Tech Trading an option?
<XarXo>  BTW, you solved the possible problem with planting forest in a no-city terrain (transforming it in another that allow them)
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  if it is set to, say, 150, that does not mean that the AI give a 50% discount on its techs,
<Ribannah>  It's not so rampant anymore, just make sure some AI's are ahead of the others and you are the one doing the trading and getting the big bucks
<Propaganda>  I know about the Ai-to-AI things, but it still doesn't change the fact that you can trade/buy techs, which is easily be exploited.
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  in fact, it gives out no discount. It only determines how much the AI is will to bend if the other side does not have enough to pay full value.
<Propaganda>  I can set science all the way to zero and build military, while buying techs from others that are spending money on it, at a much cheaper price than they paid for, altogether.
<Ribannah>  That should work, Soren
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  prop: we wanted an unrestricted diplomacy system, in which you could trade anything for anything else...
<XarXo>  if we have an island with oil and is this island is tundra, and tundra is no-city, what we can do for obatin this oil?
<XarXo>  actually this happens with all-mountains islands
<Propaganda>  Care to make it an option, like Culture-Flipping?
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  this obviously was very hard to balance right... although I believe that 1.29 has gotten us there. Perhaps we were too ambitious...
<The Emperor Fabulous>  Will the frequency of resources appearing/disappearing change?
<player1>  So were is UNIT TRADING!!!
<WarpStorm>  How about terrforming (desert->plains etc)?
<XarXo> for balance the game, airports and seaports in colonies are ONLY for commercial use, so no air/water militar units can behere, also, maintain these harbours/airports are more expensive than norm
<The Emperor Fabulous>  will there be an option for Aquapolises? (water cities?)
<Ribannah>  player1 unit trading is too exploitable
<XarXo>  normal ones
<CoffeeBreath>  Hello, all
<WarpStorm>  Soren, what's your favorite new unit?
<CoffeeBreath>  what are you guys talking about?
<Propaganda>  Soren, is it possible to fix the bug that comes when you label certain citizens with perequisites?
<player1>  rib> But Tech trading is NOT?
<Ribannah>  even worker trading can already be decisive in the early game, on occasion
<XarXo>  Emperor -> Create a water unit with settle property -> Delete theno-city flag in all water terrains. That is posible?
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  I like the Berseker, but that's probably because I have Nordic blood.
<Ribannah>  No, tech trading isn't
<Ribannah>  Not anymore at least
<The Emperor Fabulous>  is it?
<Eli>  test
<WarpStorm>  makes sense.
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  unit trading is almost impossible to implement without allowing a way to screw with the AI...
<Soren Johnson Firaxis> ...if we put it in, there would be so many gotcha AI restrictions, that it would probably be too frustrating (users would be wondering why the AI would be refusing the deals...)
<player1>  What about unit trading HUMAN to HUMAN only?
<XarXo>  implement it but only with no-living units (is ridiculous give humans in exchange of money, and I think them like soldiers, not slaves)
<Level>  Is there a posibility to add more culture groups?
<Propaganda>  I'm thinking of adding different types of citizens for different eras, and given the ones in the later areas bigger bonuses.
<notyoueither>  ... but wiukd be very useful for MP teams. could it be an option?
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  well, that's an idea...
<Ribannah>  even worse, suddenly you ally's units are in your front line waving your flags ...
<WarpStorm>  Soren, why do units seem to always want to move every turn (I know that isn't PTW related, but I've been wondering for a while). They seem to spend a lot of time just moving back and forth.
<notyoueither>  *would
<Ribannah>  two turns later they're at the other side of the world again ...
<Eli>  *quietly protests against the non-inclusion of the Hebrews in PTW*
<Propaganda>  Can you not turn that off?
<player1>  *quietly protests against the non-inclusion of the Incas in PTW*
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  actually, AI units rest every other turn... in general, I wanted AI units to "patrol" to insure that they are spread out evenly within its territory. I know it can be annoying in certain circums
<WarpStorm>  :eager: Will there be team-based MP with allied victories?
<notyoueither>  That's a good point Ribannah
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  tances
<XarXo>  *quietly protests againist the non-inclusion of Mali, Ghana, Incans, Crown of Aragon, Siam, Khmer and tons of them that are bigger, more important and stronger in all the history of Hebrews and
<XarXo>  Israel*
<WarpStorm>  Annoying when I see 100+ moving back and forth on my border
<Ribannah>  *quietly protests the non-inclusion of the Dutch in PTW*
<Propaganda>  Soren, is it possible to give us more options to define Favorite/Shunned governments? I'd like to people to set just how aggressive another civ would be against a Communist civ..
<Propaganda>  or how gracious a Democratic civ will be towards it's counterpart.
<The Emperor Fabulous> so do Sea Cities exist? I don't know if I ever got a "Firaxis" answer.....though XarXo may have been telling me something I missed
<player1>  *quietly protests the inclusion of the protesters in this Chat*
<Locutus>  well, while we're at it, let me add Ethiopians and Polynesians to that
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  eli: don't forget about the Incas, Sumerians, Assyrians, Khmers, Aegeans, Dutch... you could go on all day
<XarXo>  yes!! And Maori!!!!
<XarXo>  of course of course
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  oops Xarxo, didn't see your message
<alva848>  *quietly protests against quitely protesting * :hmmm:
<Ribannah>  Hey! We have filled the next expansions
<Propaganda>  I think all the civs should be deleted, except for RUSSIA!
<player1>  CtP Ethiopians rule!
<WarpStorm>  I'm guessing the hard part about adding a new civ is the artwork, right?
<Propaganda>  LONG LIVE THE MOTHERLAND!
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  I'm ashamed I don't know what the Crown of Aragon is though... is that an Iberian culture?
<player1>  LotR
<XarXo>  + or -
<Aro>  Brazilians...
<Ribannah>  the hard part is getting the facts straight
<Locutus>  all CtP civs rule, CtP rules!
<WarpStorm>  :eager: :eager: Will there be team-based MP with allied victories?
<XarXo>  Is the political correct name for say the Catalan Coutries, is 11 milions of catalan spokers that in 150~200 years controlled all the commerce in the mediterranean
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  Ethiopians are interesting... their brand of Christianity predates most of Europe's by centuries.
<Propaganda>  POWER TO THE CTP!
<XarXo>  it joined *sic, what a stupid idea!* with castile to create Spain
<Rasbelin>  Please mark your PtW questions for the Firaxians with the : eager : smiley. It can be added by typing : eager : (without spaces).
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  ah, so I guessed right (I assumed either Catalonians or Basque)
<Sir Ralph>  How are CtP Ethiopians different from other CtP civs?
<Carlos113>  Argentinians...
<Propaganda>  Long live Locutus, Immortal Wombat, Dale, hexagonian and WestW!
<XarXo>  basque are more different, but we are bigger and have more history xDDD
<Propaganda>  Sorry if I missed anyone.
<WarpStorm>  Off topic, but have any Firaxians tried the new Civ boardgame?
<player1>  Sir Ralph> Flavor
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  warpstorm: right, more civs = more art work + design time. In Civ2, all the civs wre basically the same, so they could add as many as they wanted.
<Ribannah>  Anasazi, Tiahuanaco, Adena, .....
<Locutus>  Yup, Ethiopian history rocks...
<panag>  Mike , did you woke Javier up ?
<Ribannah>  They have history rocks?
<notyoueither>  the chickens are fast too...
<Rasbelin>  And so does Livonian history.
<Propaganda>  Russian history is better.
<Level>  Is there a posibility to add more culture groups?
<player1>  Cubans, Portoricans...
<XarXo> the most remarcable things are that we have a Yahoo! portal and more speakers than modern greece and a lot of eastern european countries But compared to chinese... ehm...
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  we can't wait to give it a try... it's sort of a bizarre experience seeing our ideas transformed into a board game.
<Locutus>  nah, those aren't the oldest Christian states in the world... nor are they the cradle of mankind...
<WarpStorm>  Will any of the new game modes be more for a MP Builder, rather than a Warmonger
<Propaganda>  Soren, is it possible to give us more options to define Favorite/Shunned governments? I`d like to set just how aggressive another civ would be against a Communist civ..
<Sir Ralph>  I once needed Hebrews for a mediterranean mod and took Abes head for King David. That was funny.
<notyoueither>  Soren, do any of the civs have AI coding specifically for them?
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>  ok, time for me to get back to work. Thanks for chatting
<XarXo>  well, everybody forgive the my-civ-isn't-here theme, I believe that this is the LAST civ expansion pack that we'll se, almost in Civ III
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  we're big board game fans (Settlers, History of the World, Conspiracy, etc...) so we looking forward to it,...
<Propaganda>  or how gracious a Democratic civ would be towards it's counter-part.
<Propaganda>  Sorry for the repeat.
<Locutus>  bye, Mike, thanks for being here...
<rabito>  hola
<player1>  Gold rush: Who first gets 30,000gp?
<XarXo>  Bye Mike!!!
<Propaganda>  Take care, Mike.
<Ribannah>  Masons, Hospitaliers, Templars, ....
<WarpStorm>  I've got a weak spot for those type board games
<notyoueither>  cya beer.
<Rasbelin>  Thank you for your participation!
<Carlos113>  bye
<Ribannah>  Cya Mike!
<Rasbelin>  Bye!
<rabito>  ostias todo en ingles
<Level>  Any body going to make a board game map for civ3?
<alva848>  bye Mike
<WarpStorm>  Loved Settlers till I figured out the always win strategy
<Rasbelin>  Erin go brah!
<rabito>  nadie habla español?
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  prop: I'd like to empha more of that, but favored/shunned govs tend to skew the AI, so it was toned down.
<WarpStorm>  Have a beer for me Mike
<panag>  well Mike, if you can even do half by X-mas , ........its a huge task , but then again , you have a good team now
<Aro>  Thanks, Mike.
<XarXo>  Be aware of Sid playing golf, is very dangerous
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  what is the "always win" strategy?
<Carlos113>  rabito: no sorry
<Ribannah>  What isn't?
<Propaganda>  Soren, I just want more friends in my games.
<panag>  there should be a chat every two weeks
<Soren Johnson Firaxis>  of course, I don't need to ask, since I do always win.
<Chieftess>  ?

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