Civ3 PtW Chat, September 20, 2002
Waiting for the expansion of Civilization 3 we had a chat with several Firaxians. The took place in both our irc channel and the web chat
In red, the operator. In
blue, Firaxis team members. Many thanks to
Jeff Morris, Barry Caudill, Soren Johnson, Javier Sobrado and Mike Breitkreutz
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<LoQtS> well, gamespeed might suffer as well...
<panag> a 256X256 takes between 1.25 and 2.25 , so , why not
<DavidDuke> Panag, on what computer?
<panag> can random seed be preserved with such a huge size ?
<panag> MAC
<panag> dell
<panag> coNpac -- lol
<panag> even on laptops with 512 ram
<Chieftess> Speaking of map generation, sometimes, there's resources
on mountain islands that you have no way of getting to.
<Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis> random seed is independent
of map size, so yes
<\\xor\\> yes...
<Chieftess> (like CFC's SOTD22 I think - that's a good example)
<\\xor\\> can we have colonies have harbors?
<Chieftess> That's the discussion over there now.
<Chieftess> Harbor colonies.
<\\xor\\> XD
<Carlos113> http://www.civfanatics.com/sotd/sotd22.jpg
<\\xor\\> Would help.
<Chieftess> (maybe with a settler, as some are suggesting)
<panag> some people play and have 10 windows open , antiscrips on ,
firewall , a dozen other programs , no updates and then they complain they
can read a book in between turns , .....
<panag> when you play , you play , you dont get on the net and at the
same time play , ...for that there is MP
<\\xor\\> panag: i close all closable processes with taskman.exe
<Chieftess> My Civ3 computer is seperate from my Internet computer,
so I don't have any lag problems.
<\\xor\\> err... taskmgr, i mean.
<panag> voila , at least one smart guy !
<\\xor\\> Chieftess: How are you going to MP?
<panag> there ya go guys , see Mike , these are the smart people
<Chieftess> I'd have to move my modem to the other computer, and move
a lot of hardware around..
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> panag> but not
everyone who bought civ3 knows that...
<panag> MP is coming with PTW
<Chieftess> Since, my computer's IRQ ports are full...
<ACS_MarkG> i'll have to leave in 5 mins...
<panag> hey , if they can get to a site to complain , that means they
can get updates
<Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis> lol
<panag> and they can get to advice from others
<Theseus> Gotta go, thanks guys.
<panag> direct X 8.1 for free from microsoft
<panag> and everyone can read the specs on the box
<panag> hmmm , can you guys set the screens higher ?
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> panag> but you
still have to cater to the masses
<Chieftess> Even when Civ3 DID lag on a huge map, I went and got a memory
upgrade.
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> you mean higher
resolutions?
<Chieftess> Huge map, 16 civs, no lag.
<panag> yes Mike
<DavidDuke> Chieftess, for me it was also so
<DavidDuke> I am saying was because once I get computer it turned to
huge map, 16 civs, computer breakdown in 6th turn
<panag> a MAC screen is 23 inch , a sony 24 , ..... or 22
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> If you put the
line KeepRes=1 in your ini file the game will run at your desktop resolution
(I think there is a max. resolution though I'm not sure what it is)
<\\xor\\> Actually, I havent been able to
run on slower resolutions.
<DavidDuke> My screen is 19"
<panag> okay , but with screens above 21.5 there it gets weird
<Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis> the issue is more
with resolution than with screen size
<\\xor\\> err... lower, I cant get it to go below 1024x768.
<Chieftess> I just got a new 17" monitor..
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> No 1024x768 is the
minimum resolution
<Chieftess> 3 days without Civ3 can be tough. ;-)
<Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis> the game runs minimum
in 1024x768
<Chieftess> Especially when your 10 year old Tatung monitor only runs
at 680x440..
<panag> yes but on 16/9 format it goes , well , strange
<Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis> if you want to give
your computer a headache run it in 1600x1200 zoomed out
<Chieftess> haha... I did that once..
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> on 362x362 map
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> with 31 civs
<panag> its fixed with the screen tools , but on most screens
, you need to set it again for each game
* \\xor\\ is willing to try that...
<panag> say , guys , more Zoom levels would be fine
<panag> and did you saw the zoom bug ?
<Chieftess> Same here - good thing the new one has better DPI resolution,
too.
<Chieftess> Another 500%?
<Chieftess> what's the zoom bug?
<panag> Zoom levels in game !
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> More zoom levels
comes from the same problem as having a word to store tile indices.
<panag> well check downloads and troubles of 1.29
<panag> arrrghhhhhh
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> as did operational
range but we did manage to fix that
<panag> poor Mike
<Chieftess> panag: You mean I have to go to.. 'Poly? (CFC joke)
<panag> please unlock the other fields
<panag> yep its on poly
<player1> Q: How is SPY screen changed?
<\\xor\\> Rite, good question.
<Mike_Breitkreutz_FIRAXIS> player1> Well,
there IS a spy screen now
<Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis> hehe, what mike said,
it is no longer a set of popups
<player1> Is it just a flavor, or something else
<panag> with hidden nationality , the AI still knows who you are , is
that fixed ?
<Chieftess> I tried nidden nationally and invisibilty in a mod I was
testing, and the AI still saw me.
<Chieftess> *hidden
<Chieftess> A unit had both on.
<\\xor\\> BTW, Will we be able to see what are Civs trading with each
other or just that they have trade "active" like in Civ3?
<panag> well the AI just contacts you , ......so therefore he knows
who you are
<panag> and we should be able to close an embassy permanently !
<ACS_MarkG> bye bye people......
<ACS_MarkG> thanks for being here!
<Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis> you can close an embassy
by starting a war
<Javier_Sobrado_Firaxis> by mark, thanks for having us
<panag> have a nice night Mark !
<\\xor\\> embassies respawn tho :P
<Chieftess> You would think that the ebassy could tell what small wonders
a civ is building..
<Carlos113> bye Mark
<panag> nono , Javier , we want to be able to close it forgood
<panag> we should have that option
<\\xor\\> Hmmm... panag, why?
<panag> it should cost the double of what it costed to open !
<panag> to break all extended diplo relations
<panag> and to stop a part of intel
<\\xor\\> dont find it very usefull...
<panag> well that why we should have an option on/off
<ACS_MarkG> gn
Web Log
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS> k. Want to get this started?
<SpencerH> theres too many people
so most of you guys who came late have to leave
<Rasbelin> Markos, are you serious
about having the chat here?
<MarkG> in a memont
<Tassadar5000> is it working
now?
<notyoueither> ...
<Tassadar5000> yay
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS> First
civfanatics vanishes during our chat, now you're having problems...maybe we
shouldn't do chats anymore!
<MarkG> for start, my thanks
for not flooding the kind firaxis people with questions
<MarkG> blame it on dalnet
<Sonic> Well, it seems it works
again
<Sir Ralph> Good God,
whats going on here? I thought the PTW chat was on DALnet?!
<XarXo> I ask permission
for a question!
<notyoueither> ...
<MarkG> ok, this chat will be
unmoderated, so it's quality will rely on the participants good will
<Bella Hella> are we good to
go?
<MarkG> just because xarxo is
gentle, he has the first question
<XarXo> ¬¬ great MarkG,
hands clean
<notyoueither> woo hoo.
i can see.
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS> Mike
and Barry are out of touch...they can't see any recent text
<MarkG> firaxians: when you
finish with an answer send a message with just a .
<XarXo> Ok, PTW will include
the possibility to great multiplayer clans encoded
<MarkG> then someone else can
ask a question. thanks
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS> k
<XarXo> sorry: Create multiplayer
clans encoded, this is, a group og players with common puntuatuion
<MarkG> Jeff, ask them
to click on "Apolyton" under "Rooms" at the top right corner
<Pggar> javier is on
IRC
<player1> l
<MarkG> Pggar please ask
him to come here. thanks
<Sonic> Oh no, servers
collapsed again
<notyoueither> ...
<XarXo> BTW: everybody
should use : eager : in front of a question, for show what text is for firaxians
<Speed Bump> Am I in?
<MarkG> Xarxo, i think
only simple matchmaking will exist. Jeff?
<notyoueither> hi barry
<Carlos113> yes
<MarkG> you're in Barry
<Speed Bump> Hi Howard
<panag> just refresh
and it goes !
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS>
We use gamespy. Warcraft III upped the ante in matchmaking..We didn't
have time to rip...I mean adapt....their rocking system
<Sonic> It can be there...
now...
<XarXo> Great! Thanks!
<MarkG> from the forums:
Will PTW be availlable at the same time in U.S. and Europe
<Alfonso> hi
<Tassadar5000> test
<Tassadar5000> tet
<jimmytrick> har har har
<panag> Mark , can you
get the refresh button , from yesterday back ?
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS>
Markg: Within a month is what we're hoping.
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS> .
<MarkG> panag, click
on Apolyton, under Rooms
<Speed Bump> Should we
try the other room? We keep getting discontinued
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
I'm all lagged out....
<Bella Hella> will we
be able to play hotseat, and will there be new civ traits?
<Speed Bump> I meant disconnected
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS> Bella:
Yes hotseat is included and no there are no new civ traits.
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS> .
<Tassadar5000> test
<MarkG> from the forums:
Will you be limited to 8 civs in hotseat ?
<Togas> ..
<player1> Hotseat, that
the real family challenge
<panag> is aircraft range
increased ?
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS>
Markg: Multiplayer, all modes, are limited to 8 players
<Speed Bump> MarkG: Yes...we
are really having a lot of troubles on our end
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS>
.
<Speed Bump> panag: yes
<Togas> .
<Theseus> Have the stats
for Med. Infantry and Guerilla been locked down yet?
<Rasbelin> Off-topic:
Markos, the chatroom is working in a very pain staiking way. I recommend
that the chat would be moved now.
<Sonic> Jeffrey: will
there be any new modern era city improvements (except internet), like TV tower,
radio mast, etc.?
<MarkG> thanks for the
recommendation ras
<MarkG> last from the
forums: Can you change users to AI if someone leaves or so you can finninsh
the game in SP
<jdd2007> will the internet
be the only new wonder?
<panag> guys , if you dont want to ask a Q ,
then use the chat archive ! , just reload , its faster then here!
<Sonic> I don't know
how to add that smiley, sorry
<Rasbelin> Sonic, : eager
:
<Theseus> Sonic, it's
colon-eager-colon.
<player1> Q to team:
is some additional unit stat balancing done in PtW (exept for new units)?
<Sonic> will there be
any new modern era city improvements (except internet), like TV tower, radio
mast, etc.?
<panag> is there going
to be an other patch before PTW ?
<Patrick Dawson> You can
change users to AI, or you can change AI to user, so a game you start in Single
Player can be finished in MP, or a game you start in MP can be finished in
SP
<Speed Bump> Two of us
have connected to the "real" room so far
<MarkG> one more from
the forums: When you develop the game you have an option to start an AI-only
game (to test AI etc.). Is there any chance you will put this in the game?
<Pggar> Mike got there
too
<Speed Bump> Mark: Probably
not.
<Speed Bump> Mark, Let's
try the other room...Three of us are in there now.
<MarkG> trying to connet
barry
<Carlos113> Mark: we
are with some the Firaxians at #Apolyton just in case you didn´t know
<Bella Hella> looks like
everybody's in the real room now
<MarkG> Jeff, do we have
a set release date?
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS>
player1: Some, but it's fairly locked now because of the manual.
<Sonic> Speed, much more
than three
<Speed Bump> I'm talking
about Firaxisans
<player1> Q to team:
is some additional unit stat balancing done in PtW (exept for new units)?
<Rhye> jeff, are you the military
advisor?
<Rasbelin> OT: I'm still
suggesting moving it away from DALnet as it doesn't seem to work there as
it should. There was already trouble before the chat began.
<MarkG> if Jeff gets through
too.....
<player1> you mean PtW
manual?
<astrologix> Carlos113
: Which server ?
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS>
Rhye: That's Jeff Briggs, the CEO.
<MarkG> irc.dal.net
<Carlos113> twisted.ma.us.dal.net
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS>
player1: Yeah.
<MarkG> jeff how are
the sales on the official store?
<panag> will there be
a patch before PTW ?
<WarpStorm> Will cheat
modes be put back in? (Sorry ,if it's been asked before)
<Rick Elkins> As the game
stands now, all Civs have various advantages. Will there be some way to equalize
all civs for an equal playing field for PBEM?
<Carlos113> oops sorry
<MarkG> i got through
on tiscali.uk.eu.dal.net
<player1> So it looks
like that PtW manual will have correct units stats info after all
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS> warpstorm:
IF you enable it in the editor, for checking it out. Can't play though, since
fog of war is removed, and it doesn't do anything in MP.
<WarpStorm> Panag and
I have been having a "discussion" about new terrains, will there be any?
<Jeffrey Morris FIRAXIS>
Moving to other channel...see ya there!
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS> No there won't be
any new terrains
<panag> why , its going
fine here !
<MarkG> people please
move to http://apolyton.net/misc/chat
<panag> Mike , you guys
talked about european terrain , ....?
<Theseus> For people
in the US, "twisted.ma.us.dal.net" seems to be working.
<player1> So, by the
way, if units stats are locked, is chartaginians UU 2/3/1 spearmen? A little
bit powerfull for 20shields.
<Rasbelin> DALnet is going
heywire. I can't get in anywhere.
<MarkG> yeah, after some
tweaking the server is now responding. but lets try http://apolyton.net/misc/chat
<Locutus> uhm, testing,
1,2,3...why don't I show up in the user list...
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
panag> There are new terrain _sets_ but not new terrain types.
<Locutus> oh, I do now
<panag> okay , thats
fine Mike
<Carlos113> you are in
Locutus
<astrologix> DALNET
is working well for me : bye
<Locutus> so I noticed...
<panag> is the captured
worker identity bug going to be fixed ?
<Rasbelin> I'm now in,
but it took time.
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
panag> yes
<Immortal Wombat> hi
Locutus
<Rhye> will we be able
to change the timeline with the editor?
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
Rhye> Yes
<panag> is there a patch
before PTW comes out ?
<player1> cool
<Locutus> Hi, IW. Good
to see at least one other CtPer here Enlightenment spreads oh so slowly
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
panag> No there are currently no plans for additional patches for
Civ3
<player1> hmm, I was
CtPer long time ago
<Immortal Wombat> traitor
<redbull> So, for PtW,
will you be going for a military feel, or will it be more diplomatic in the
game?
<redbull> I'm still a
CTPer
<MarkG> main chat at
http://apolyton.net/misc/chat
<player1> PtW patch?
<Rasbelin> Please mark
your questions to Firaxis with : eager :.
<Rick Elkins> As the game
stands now, all Civs have various advantages. Will there be some way to equalize
all civs for an equal playing field for PBEM?
<panag> can you tell something
about the scenarios that are going to be included ?
<player1> MarkG, that's
not working
<MarkG> hold on player1
i'll ask
<redbull> So, for PtW,
will you be going for a military feel, or will it be more diplomatic in the
game?
<Locutus> bah, I don't
talk to traitors, player1 Ah yes, I hadn't seen you yet, redbull... A little
behind on things with CtP1, but still a CtPer
<Rhye> do you plan any
graphical change? (bluer seas, jungles and forests redrawn....)
<player1> how to activate
that smiley
<Rasbelin> : eager :
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
panag> They're all user-created, there a lot of them, and there's
a mod specifically created for PTW by the beta testers
<Rasbelin> no spaces
<panag> P1 , check the
smilie icon , next to the type line
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
Rhye> A few of the units have been updated but most of the existing
art has stayed the same
<panag> so there shall
be something like WWII in PTW then ?
<Hagbart> You have to
choose "random us dalnet server" in mIRC and it'll get you tru. Then join
#Apolyton.
<Rasbelin> The question
smiley can be produced by typing : eager : wihout spaces.
<Rhye> i was referring
to terrain
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
panag> I'm not sure because we have a ton of scenarios. I know for
sure we have an entire set of animated units for use in WWII scenarios
<Boris Godunov> May have
been asked: Can I set diplomatic relations and how much civs like each other
in the scenario editor now?
<panag> Mark , connection
closed
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
Boris> That's still on the wishlist
<player1> what about
some sort of MOD manager in PtW?
<panag> thanks guys ,
the free beer shall be on its way
<Boris Godunov> Ok, so
no real scenarios yet
<Rhye> there will be
a mod manager, it's been altready asked
<player1> Whishlist ==
some next PtW patch. Right?
<Rick Elkins> What I'm
asking is whether the inherent advantages (special units and advantages such
as science, etc.) can be "turned off" in Play By email games, so that no nation
has any advantage?
<MarkG> probablly player1
<redbull> How will micromanagement
be issued in PtW. Will it try toencourage MM, or will it decrease?
<Rasbelin> Looks like
I'm not going to move over to Civ III from Civ II for making scenarios, at
least not yet.
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
player1> yes there will be a mod manager. It's similar to the one
used in one of the Civ2 iterations where you have a folder containing all
the assets for your scenario. However, there is also <
<player1> MarkG, I hope
so
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
the addition of a search path that allows your scenario to use assets
from other scenarios.
<Locutus> I hope this
hasn't been asked yet, but any update on a scripting/event language? Will
there be one in PtW or other future releases?
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
and Panag, max map *may* be increased
<player1> looks like dalnet
works
<Mike Breitkreutz FIRAXIS>
Locutus> events and scripting are still on the wishlist
<player1> I miss SLIC
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