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  • What actually happened to Freddy gray?

    Unlike other recent police-involved deaths, this one retains some mystery about it. I'm beginning to suspect that this might end up coming down to the negligence of police in buckling him in before driving off. Other theories (preferably reasonable ones)?
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  • #2
    I find it a little implausible that they actually crushed his spine. I suspect that they simply neglected an existing injury until it was too late.

    As an anecdote, my cousin was arrested in Maryland a while back and my aunt had difficulty getting him his diabetes kit--they didn't seem terribly worried by the thought that it could kill him or cause permanent harm. Maryland sucks. Maryland cops suck. Etc.
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    • #3
      he looked damaged before they got him in the van, must have happened during the arrest

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      • #4
        When the mayor instructs folks to loot because, 'it's only property', I suspect that the police aren't the problem.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
          When the mayor instructs folks to loot because, 'it's only property', I suspect that the police aren't the problem.
          I find it highly unlikely that the mayor killed Freddy Gray
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          • #6
            I find it highly unlikely that the mayor killed Freddy Gray
            True, but she might end up killing other people along the way. Collateral damage I suppose.



            Capt. Eric Kowalczyk said Thursday afternoon that more than 40 officers required some sort of treatment at the hospital. Protesters have been throwing bricks, bottles and other items at officers trying to contain demonstrations.
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            • #7
              From the Beeb:

              Freddie Gray, the Baltimore man whose death sparked rioting in US cities, died in a police van when his head struck a bolt, TV report says.


              Freddie Gray's fatal injuries were the result of slamming into the back of a Baltimore police van, a Washington TV station reported.
              Citing police sources, WJLA reported that a medical examiner determined Gray's neck was broken when his head struck the back of the van.
              Other injuries to his head matched the shape of a bolt in the van.

              His death is the latest in a series of police killings in the US which have sparked rioting and national debate.
              Baltimore police have admitted that Gray was not secured in the van by a seatbelt, against department policy, and that he requested medical attention while being transported in the van but was denied.
              Video footage filmed by a passerby showed a visibly distressed Gray being handcuffed on the ground pushed into the back of the van. Police said he ran after seeing two officers, who chased him and arrested him when they found a switchblade-style knife in his trousers.

              Gray lapsed into a coma following the journey on 12 April and died a week later.
              Maryland medical examiner's office has refused to comment on cause of death while the investigation is ongoing.


              The van transporting Gray made a previously undisclosed fourth stop while en route to the police station, police revealed on Thursday.
              Previously, police had said the van made three stops, including one to put him in leg irons and another to pick up different prisoner.

              The fourth stop was captured on a CCTV camera outside a Korean food shop.
              The shop's owner, Jung Hyun Hwang told the Associated Press news agency that police officers visited last week to make a copy of the recording - which was later lost when the shop was looted during the riots.
              Mr Hwang said he had not viewed the recording and did not know what it showed.
              Police said the footage was discovered during a view of public and private CCTV cameras in the area.

              According to the police timeline of the arrest, the van took 30 minutes to take Gray to the police station, where paramedics were called.
              Despite relative calm in Baltimore on Thursday, riot police were still massed in some areas
              Investigators have now handed over their inquiry into Gray's death to the state's attorney's office.
              The city's top prosecutor, Marilyn Mosby, will now decide whether to take the case to a grand jury to seek an indictment of any of the six officers involved.
              Five of the six officers involved in the arrest gave statements to investigators the day Gray was injured. All six have been suspended.
              A separate investigation by the US department of justice is also under way.

              After two nights of violent protests, Baltimore's streets were relatively calm on Thursday. The city is still under a curfew requiring people to be off the streets by 22:00 (02:00 GMT).
              Police timeline of Freddie Gray's arrest

              Sunday, 12 April, 08:39: Officers approach Gray and he flees on foot
              08:40: Gray arrested on corner of Presbury Street, Sandtown
              08:42: Police request a van
              08:54: Van departs with Gray inside, conscious and speaking
              08:54-09:24: Van makes a total of four stops between arrest and police station arrival
              09:24: Police request paramedics to take Gray to hospital
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              • #8
                His death is the latest in a series of police killings in the US which have sparked rioting and national debate.
                Interesting series of bolds. Will we see a grand jury exonerate the cops like before? We shall see.

                Maryland medical examiner's office has refused to comment on cause of death while the investigation is ongoing.
                There is evidence that Gray had serious spinal issues before he stepped into the car. Quite possible for the evidence to show that the cops were not responsible for his death and that his previous condition was the primary factor.
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                • #9
                  DP.
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                  • #10
                    It's all well and good to say that those accused should get the benefit of the doubt, but it's a bit disingenuous when you have never given this courtesy to any thug black person, ever.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
                      he looked damaged before they got him in the van, must have happened during the arrest
                      Obviously it is impossible to know now, but a crushed spine before entering the van would appear to be consistent with the available video footage.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by loinburger View Post
                        It's all well and good to say that those accused should get the benefit of the doubt, but it's a bit disingenuous when you have never given this courtesy to any thug black person, ever.
                        Seriously.
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                        • #13
                          It's all well and good to say that those accused should get the benefit of the doubt, but it's a bit disingenuous when you have never given this courtesy to any thug, ever.
                          He was a thug. Sorry. Here's his rap sheet. 18 arrests. Don't care if you're black or white, but 18 arrests, 6 in the last half a year, averaging one a month? Dude, you're a thug. Would you give the benefit of the doubt to the cops if you were on that jury? I sure would. Especially after the recent 'performance'.

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                          •December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
                          •December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
                          •August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
                          •January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
                          •September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
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                          •March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
                          •March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
                          •February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
                          •August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
                          •August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
                          •August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
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                          • #14
                            How many convictions does he have? That's the standard you apply to white people...
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                            • #15
                              How many convictions does he have? That's the standard you apply to white people
                              So you're suggesting that the 18 arrests were indicative of police brutality and discrimination, and not a consistent pattern of criminality?
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