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    NYT: Pilot was locked out

    I dont have a link, but the NYT is saying they got up to elevation and one of the pilots left for the bathroom and couldn't get back in.

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    They dont know if the other pilot wouldn't let him in intentionally or if they became incapacitated - it doesn't sound like a depressurization of the plane
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    Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France (Published 2015)
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash.html
    As officials struggled to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed, an investigator said evidence indicated that one pilot left the cockpit and was unable to get back in.

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    • #3
      We now have the possibility of siezure, heart attack and other medical events involving the single pilot. The other tack is suicide or a suicide attack.

      J

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      • #4
        Actually a security measure since 9/11 (i.e. the adoption of cockpit doors that can per default only be opened from inside the cockpit by most airlines) that probably proved to be fatal in this case (i.e. if the reports about the 2nd pilot being locked out prove to be true)
        Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
        Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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        • #5
          Weird though, they say the crew can override the lock from the outside unless the pilot inside has locked out that override. Very odd.

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          • #6
            Germanwings AFAIK is supposed to give a press conference at 1 PM (i.e. in 2 mins) ... maybe this can she an official light on the story
            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
            Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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            • #7
              O.K., seems like it is official now ...
              the copilot delibrately initiated the descent of the plane ...
              and it seems like he was capable of acting till the last ...
              so it de facto appears to be a case of suicide/mass murder
              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
              Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                • #9
                  my god...
                  "Ceterum censeo Ben esse expellendum."

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Proteus_MST View Post
                    O.K., seems like it is official now ...
                    the copilot delibrately initiated the descent of the plane ...
                    and it seems like he was capable of acting till the last ...
                    so it de facto appears to be a case of suicide/mass murder


                    Question for people that fly: Is the procedure describe here common across airlines? It might not have prevented to take over by the co-pilot but would have made it more difficult.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by DinoDoc View Post


                      Question for people that fly: Is the procedure describe here common across airlines? It might not have prevented to take over by the co-pilot but would have made it more difficult.
                      The rule that always 2 people have to be in the cockpit (i.e. that someone from the flight crew takes the place if a pilot has to go somewhere) is something that seems to be common in american airlines. It´s not in use by most (or even all) european airlines however.
                      (was mentioned in the germanwings press conference)

                      I assume this will change in the near future however, after this incident
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                      Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                      • #12
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                        • #13
                          Oh my god. Unbelievable.
                          If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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                            • #15
                              As horrible as it is, it's better than imagining some new mechanical failure or smuggled bomb was the cause. We know what happened and have some idea of how to deal with it.
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