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    Originally posted by HP
    Charles Koch Wants To Change America's Criminal Justice System

    Charles Koch, the billionaire chairman and CEO of Koch Industries and leading conservative mega-donor, has set his sights on a new goal: reforming America's criminal justice system.

    In an interview with The Wichita Eagle published Saturday, Koch said his own experiences in courts -- including the time a federal grand jury indicted Koch Industries on 97 counts of environmental crimes in 2000 -- prompted him to study the justice system at both the state and federal level. In that particular case, centered on a Koch Petroleum Group refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas, prosecutors eventually dropped all but one of the charges after the corporation agreed to pay a settlement.

    According to Koch's chief counsel Mark Holden, the case made the billionaire industrialist wonder "how the little guy who doesn't have Koch’s resources deals with prosecutions like that," the Eagle reports.

    Koch and his brother David have gained notoriety as the bankrollers of Americans for Prosperity, a political advocacy group that backs candidates who favor slashing taxes and shrinking government. But the brothers have also quietly backed criminal justice reform for years, and sponsored a forum on the issue earlier this year. Charles Koch said he plans to ramp up his reform efforts in 2015.

    "Over the next year, we are going to be pushing the issues key to this, which need a lot of work in this country," Koch told the Eagle. "And that would be freedom of speech, cronyism and how that relates to opportunities for the disadvantaged."

    Koch pointed to sentencing as an area in desperate need of reform, arguing that sentences should be "more appropriate to the crime that has been committed."

    His new mission has precipitated some unlikely alliances. The Eagle reports that Koch has unofficially teamed up with progressive mega-donor George Soros and the American Civil Liberties Union to address prison reform. Koch has also earned praise from outgoing U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, who told The Marshall Project that Koch's donation to the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, which funds training for attorneys who represent those in need, was a positive force. According to reports, Koch has been a supporter of the organization since 2004.

    "That's a good thing to hear -- people from very different places along the ideological spectrum understanding that we have to make our criminal justice system more fair," Holder said. "It's about 51 years or so after Gideon [v. Wainwright], and there are way too many people on the civil side, as well as the criminal side, who don't have their legal needs met. There's a justice gap. And to hear that the Koch brothers would be contributing money in that way is something that I think should be applauded."

    NACDL president Theodore Simon has also commended the Kochs for their support.

    "We have to get beyond the corrosive idea that we have to agree with others on everything in order to cooperate on anything," Simon told Reuters in October. "This grant is going to help lawyers help the needy in our society."
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6386884.html

    Fair play to him, he's done a lot of crap over recent years, but it's only fair he gets recognition for the positive stuff too.

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    he might consider pushing medical pot here

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    • #3
      Originally posted by kentonio View Post
      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6386884.html

      Fair play to him, he's done a lot of crap over recent years, but it's only fair he gets recognition for the positive stuff too.
      Oh? What's this "crap?" Do you believe in the kochtopus or something?
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      • #4
        The Koch brothers believe strongly in egalitarianism and limited government. I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. They actually really hate the idea of the law treating big companies and little groups differently.
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        • #5
          The Eagle reports that Koch has unofficially teamed up with progressive mega-donor George Soros
          Oh ****, the (internet) world is about to explode.
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          • #6
            Why is Charles Koch some evil manipulator turning our country into a plutocracy but George Soros is just a responsible billionaire directing his money to the greater good?

            I wonder if maybe the liberals who hate Koch just don't think people who disagree with them should be allowed to fund political movements?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
              The Koch brothers believe strongly in egalitarianism and limited government. I don't know why anyone is surprised by this.
              Because they're rich people obsessed with tax cuts for the wealthy.

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              • #8
                Not inconsistent with egalitarianism and limited government in the slightest.

                Correction, though: They're in favor of eliminating tax exemptions, and then lowering upper marginal rates and corporate rates. Which would make things much better for people who can't hire armies of tax compliance lawyers.
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                  In an interview with The Wichita Eagle published Saturday, Koch said his own experiences in courts -- including the time a federal grand jury indicted Koch Industries on 97 counts of environmental crimes in 2000 -- prompted him to study the justice system at both the state and federal level. In that particular case, centered on a Koch Petroleum Group refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas, prosecutors eventually dropped all but one of the charges after the corporation agreed to pay a settlement.

                  According to Koch's chief counsel Mark Holden, the case made the billionaire industrialist wonder "how the little guy who doesn't have Koch’s resources deals with prosecutions like that," the Eagle reports.




                  I'll commend him for coming down on the right (correct) side of this issue, but boy oh boy is this some hilarious reasoning. "Isn't it a shame that the little guy can't destroy the environment with impunity?"
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                    In an interview with The Wichita Eagle published Saturday, Koch said his own experiences in courts -- including the time a federal grand jury indicted Koch Industries on 97 counts of environmental crimes in 2000 -- prompted him to study the justice system at both the state and federal level. In that particular case, centered on a Koch Petroleum Group refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas, prosecutors eventually dropped all but one of the charges after the corporation agreed to pay a settlement.

                    According to Koch's chief counsel Mark Holden, the case made the billionaire industrialist wonder "how the little guy who doesn't have Koch’s resources deals with prosecutions like that," the Eagle reports.




                    I'll commend him for coming down on the right (correct) side of this issue, but boy oh boy is this some hilarious reasoning. "Isn't it a shame that the little guy can't destroy the environment with impunity?"
                    Don't be an idiot. **** like this happens all the time. My dad had a discrimination case where the labor department used hilariously flawed statistical reasoning (because they are full of incompetent, retarded hacks) and they settled out of court for less than 1% of the original complaint. What obviously happened here is that the EPA sued their company on trumped up ridiculous charges--which they do all the ****ing time because they're terrible people--and when they realized they didn't have a chance in court they settled. Cheaper for Koch to cough up money to the EPA than to litigate, and the EPA doesn't want to lose a case.

                    I want to emphasize this is a normal everyday thing. The government charges companies with stuff they simply didn't do constantly and they basically extort small settlement deals out of companies because it's too expensive and risky to litigate--even when all the facts are on your side, sometimes you get a stupid judge and lose anyway.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                      Not inconsistent with egalitarianism and limited government in the slightest.

                      Correction, though: They're in favor of eliminating tax exemptions, and then lowering upper marginal rates and corporate rates. Which would make things much better for people who can't hire armies of tax compliance lawyers.
                      Please don't be stupid. They're billionaires who support things that involve them not having to hand over any of their money. They also oppose things like laws preventing them from doing horrible **** to the environment whilst making even vaster amounts of money. They are not particularly nice people, like pretty much every other billionaire ever. They are not some shining example of what you could achieve if we work REALLY hard, they are a shining example of what you can achieve if you completely lack morals and any form of human compassion, and dedicate your life solely to making money above any other consideration, including peoples lives.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                        Don't be an idiot. **** like this happens all the time. My dad had a discrimination case where the labor department used hilariously flawed statistical reasoning (because they are full of incompetent, retarded hacks) and they settled out of court for less than 1% of the original complaint. What obviously happened here is that the EPA sued their company on trumped up ridiculous charges--which they do all the ****ing time because they're terrible people--and when they realized they didn't have a chance in court they settled. Cheaper for Koch to cough up money to the EPA than to litigate, and the EPA doesn't want to lose a case.
                        Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you had a personal anecdote which countered my point.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                          Not inconsistent with egalitarianism and limited government in the slightest.
                          What do you think egalitarianism means?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                            Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you had a personal anecdote which countered my point.
                            Lori, this is normal. Ask literally any corporate lawyer. Most of what my dad does is deal with bull**** like this from the government. Most of what everyone in his practice group does. Probably most of what any litigating (as opposed to compliance) tax lawyer at A&B does is **** like this.
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                            • #15
                              I am shocked that your father has a low opinion of the government's efforts to sue him.
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