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Poverty isn't that bad, and you'll feel all smug once you've made a succes of yourself no thanks to them 9 75.00%
Listen to dad and continue as a tamed broken man 3 25.00%
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Heraclitus
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I'm in an interesting position.


I am in theory capable of doing what I want to and continue my studies. But since I unwisely singed off control of most of my assets (I was much younger then and never imagined things getting this bad, ever) to my father, I don't have the financial means to pay for this (in any case the money I had was mostly his to start with so this is less an issue than the lack of support from them).


I'm almost 20, I don't have any money at all (just 300 EUR) and I'm late with the rent.


I could work and find a job, but I don't know if I can make up on 2+ years of lost math & physics skills and pass this year and work 8 hours a day at the same time.I have great respect for people who can overcome such adversity but I don't know if I am one of them.

The alternative I can follow my families wishes and redirect myself to a field I have very little interest in and also admit my father was right in the fight.



Note: I don't think he was right, and though I am no saint I still feel a bit betrayed by them.


PS: Factors on my side:

-I'm a licensed driver once again
- before this fight I was also able to get my C programing skills back (sort of)

PPS: I need some advice rather quickly. Who should I be? "self made man who potentially becomes a hobo " or "tamed but well fed man"?

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If you can find any way, do what you want, not what your family wants.

Can't you get a small job just to continue studies, not full 5days/8hrs?

/my xx cents.

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You should compromise and figure out a way where you can keep heading towards where you want to go, while doing just enough to mollify your family in the direction they want you to go, to get control of your money back.

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Be your own man; continue on your own path. Working in a field you hate will only make you even more bitter.

You don't need to be enrolled in classes to maintain your skills. But some effort would b e required. If you feel strongly about this, you have to put your money where your mouth is.

If you can find a compromise position as Snoopy suggests, great.

Good luck!

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do what you want, get a job if needed.
you'll be more successful doing what you like than what doing what others want.
sooner or later your parents should see that you're serious about it and cave in

Heraclitus
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quote:
Originally posted by BeBro
If you can find any way, do what you want, not what your family wants.

Can't you get a small job just to continue studies, not full 5days/8hrs?

/my xx cents.



I don't know, maybe I could get a job that for 20 h a week that would pay me enough to pay the rent and eat (something like 400 eur a month), the real problem is my skillset, with no diploma and I only have experience in silly jobs (things like telemarketing and working at walmart)

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It takes longer, but all my school was at night while working full-time, raising a new family,
No one can tell you what's right for you, though.

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making your own decisions >> doing a silly job for a while

Heraclitus
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quote:
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making your own decisions >> doing a silly job for a while


I agree but the question is whether I can get a silly grind job that pays enough to keep me fed and able to pay the rent while leaving enough time for my studies. The economy over here isn't in great shape currently.

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Most people (at least in the States) have had their share of "silly jobs" while attending college. This is a non-issue.

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Be your own man; continue on your own path. Working in a field you hate will only make you even more bitter.

You don't need to be enrolled in classes to maintain your skills. But some effort would b e required. If you feel strongly about this, you have to put your money where your mouth is.

If you can find a compromise position as Snoopy suggests, great.

Good luck!


Ok.


Seems most people here are for me pulling myself up, or at least starting to do what I want alone and hoping pater familias sees that I'm serious and changes his ways.

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Most people (at least in the States) have had their share of "silly jobs" while attending college. This is a non-issue.


Well yes, I had those too, but never as a means to support myself, I mean normally they could but trying to attend college at the same time...


I think you don't realize how many expenses going to college completely on your own entails.

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vote communist and the State will take care of you, so you can screw dad


More seriously: dad has to let go of you. Choose your own path. Being a hobo isn't half as bad tas being your dad's pawn.

If you have to work to pay for your studies, pick a dumb manual labour job, so your mind can occupy itself with your studies.

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Also I think you missed the bit about me loosing my skills.


I think you don't appreciate how horrifying something like advanced physics can seem to someone who knows he understood the math before and did rather well but is now suddenly stuck with only a high schoolish level of understanding.



The time investment needed for me to be able to pass this year is considerable.

Heraclitus
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If you have to work to pay for your studies, pick a dumb manual labour job, so your mind can occupy itself with your studies.


People can do advanced quantum mechanics in their head while their body digs trenches?


That just made me feel very dumb.

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Well, a few more details would be necessary to make an informed decision. What is it that you are capable of doing, and what is it that your family wants you to do? Of course, I understand if you don't want to answer.

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Can you just go on the dole like most EuroComs

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Originally posted by Heraclitus


People can do advanced quantum mechanics in their head while their body digs trenches?


That just made me feel very dumb.


Well, maybe not. But a job that will require a lot of brainpower will certainly drain your recources in the spare time you have besides the job.

And digging trenches might be a bit too much of phisical labour. I was more thinking of working on a production line or something. Simple work that will allow your mind to wander off to greener pastures.

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I first read that word as "entrails" and was confused for a second.

But yes, Heraclitus, I'd say that at this point you have to decide for yourself. We're not close enough to the rift or the facts of your livelihood to tell you with any degree of authority.

For all the paths you put forth, there's going to be a valid positive and a valid negative. Say you go along with what your father demands. The immediate view will be that you caved in under pressure and that you let somebody else tell you what to do. But it's possible that in time you might change your mind and independently come to agree with him in your own right. If this happens (and it did happen to me with my parents) then your act of acceding will save you a lot of time and the best years of your life. Had I listened to my parents years ago and gone into law instead of journalism, I would have saved myself a lot of heartache, poverty, and wasted years... and I would have ended up in the same line of work as I'm in now.

Who's to say that this rosy outcome will happen? Not me, that's for sure. Only you know best.

On the flip side, there are things that it may be worth being uncompromising about. I've been there too. Using family issues as an example, I've grown quite frank with my parents about ways that they can and cannot talk to me. My father used to be a traditional Chinese father, expecting a great deal of deference and obedience - and he'd be willing to back this up with verbal abuse. I put up with this as a kid because I was too young to really state my own stance and to scope out my own boundaries. But starting from my 23rd year I had enough geographical distance from him to say to him "You can't keep doing this and expect me to still be part of your life."

His email communications have become much more moderate, and despite a few clashes in face-to-face communications, I think we're making progress.

I'm sorry I can't give you any better guidance than this. There are times to hold fast to your ideals when it really is completely subjective (such as what type of relationship with your family is acceptable to you). But there are times when objective factors do come into it, and in those times it can be quite dangerous to let nothing but abstract ideals guide you.



Specifically, it seems you're looking proactively into other sources of funding. Can you take out any student loans? These are generally a low-priority unsecured debt, so once you're making an income you can generally pay them off at a manageable schedule.

I would counsel that you make absolutely sure you can survive the fall, before you sever yourself from the family. There is a fine line between bravery and foolhardiness, and sometimes the only difference is in the preparations.

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Can you just go on the dole like most EuroComs


"the dole"

English idiom ?
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does not compute

Heraclitus
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Well, maybe not. But a job that will require a lot of brainpower will certainly drain your recources in the spare time you have besides the job.

And digging trenches might be a bit too much of phisical labour. I was more thinking of working on a production line or something. Simple work that will allow your mind to wander off to greener pastures.


Ok, that is a good point, I'll keep this in mind as I'll look for jobs.

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quote:
Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia
I first read that word as "entrails" and was confused for a second.

But yes, Heraclitus, I'd say that at this point you have to decide for yourself. We're not close enough to the rift or the facts of your livelihood to tell you with any degree of authority.

For all the paths you put forth, there's going to be a valid positive and a valid negative. Say you go along with what your father demands. The immediate view will be that you caved in under pressure and that you let somebody else tell you what to do. But it's possible that in time you might change your mind and independently come to agree with him in your own right. If this happens (and it did happen to me with my parents) then your act of acceding will save you a lot of time and the best years of your life. Had I listened to my parents years ago and gone into law instead of journalism, I would have saved myself a lot of heartache, poverty, and wasted years... and I would have ended up in the same line of work as I'm in now.

Who's to say that this rosy outcome will happen? Not me, that's for sure. Only you know best.

On the flip side, there are things that it may be worth being uncompromising about. I've been there too. Using family issues as an example, I've grown quite frank with my parents about ways that they can and cannot talk to me. My father used to be a traditional Chinese father, expecting a great deal of deference and obedience - and he'd be willing to back this up with verbal abuse. I put up with this as a kid because I was too young to really state my own stance and to scope out my own boundaries. But starting from my 23rd year I had enough geographical distance from him to say to him "You can't keep doing this and expect me to still be part of your life."

His email communications have become much more moderate, and despite a few clashes in face-to-face communications, I think we're making progress.

I'm sorry I can't give you any better guidance than this. There are times to hold fast to your ideals when it really is completely subjective (such as what type of relationship with your family is acceptable to you). But there are times when objective factors do come into it, and in those times it can be quite dangerous to let nothing but abstract ideals guide you.



Specifically, it seems you're looking proactively into other sources of funding. Can you take out any student loans? These are generally a low-priority unsecured debt, so once you're making an income you can generally pay them off at a manageable schedule.

I would counsel that you make absolutely sure you can survive the fall, before you sever yourself from the family. There is a fine line between bravery and foolhardiness, and sometimes the only difference is in the preparations.


Thanks for the advice AC.

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Doesn't your university have some sort of hardship fund? You may want to look into that in case you decide to choose your own route in life.

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quote:
Originally posted by Heraclitus
I think you don't realize how many expenses going to college completely on your own entails.


I don't think you know what experiences others have had. Your tuition is paid for, correct?

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quote:
Originally posted by Heraclitus


"the dole"

English idiom ?
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does not compute


Welfare

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