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Nikomakkos
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Jul 2008
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25-07-2008 03:44
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So, I just heard about this global warming. Can anyone clarify? Was it just added in the newest patch?

Lighteria
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Jun 2008
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It's in the original game, I know, my first time playing I got global warming after chopping down almost every forest on the map and building coal power plants in most of my cities.

Spaces start turning into deserts when that happens. It sucks >_>;

sowings
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Jul 2008
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I read in the change log that it was modified somewhat in the latest patch. It used to be that it would turn the square to a desert (or hills / plains if it was a hill). Now, if there is a forest in the target square, the forest is destroyed, but the underlying terrain type remains the same.

For anything more specific than that, someone else will have to chime in.

Nikomakkos
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Jul 2008
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I never build coal plants. Maybe that's why I never got it? Or maybe I have gotten it and forgotten about it. I haven't played much in the modern age for a long time. I do remember the global warming in civ 2 though. The yellow orb of doom...

Blaupanzer

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Oct 2000
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25-07-2008 19:45
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Somewhere, possibly from Snoopy, but he can credibly deny this if he wishes, I got the impression that global warming (GW) is directly related to the use of nukes. No nukes, no warming. Personally, I've played games of BTS to 2000 or later and have never seen GW. I usually have a pretty big empire I keep an eye on, and I am sensitive to the AI's remaining forests (for chopping post capture.) I have not registered any GW effects in any of these games. I usually use the UN to shut down nuke development before anyone has a chance to build the Manhatten Project. You appear to be saying that GW can occur due to pollution effects. Other than on each city page under illness, I haven't identified a way to monitor pollution in Civ IV.

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Prince
Paso Robles, California
Jan 2006
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25-07-2008 19:58
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Somewhere, possibly from Snoopy, but he can credibly deny this if he wishes, I got the impression that global warming (GW) is directly related to the use of nukes. No nukes, no warming. Personally, I've played games of BTS to 2000 or later and have never seen GW. I usually have a pretty big empire I keep an eye on, and I am sensitive to the AI's remaining forests (for chopping post capture.) I have not registered any GW effects in any of these games. I usually use the UN to shut down nuke development before anyone has a chance to build the Manhatten Project. You appear to be saying that GW can occur due to pollution effects. Other than on each city page under illness, I haven't identified a way to monitor pollution in Civ IV.


I wish this was true. I have on many occasions suffered Global Warming without any civ using Nukes. However, I don't know whether they were using Nuclear Plants.

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Feb 2004
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25-07-2008 20:17
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Before the latest patch global warming popped up from two sources, nuclear weapons and nuclear power plants melting down. Basically any time fallout hit a map it triggered global warming.

Now global warming can happen just from chopping down too many trees/jungle and having too many pollution producing buildings (coal plants and factories I believe).

Nikomakkos
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Jul 2008
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Ok. Who'd build coal plants anyway? Does anyone build coal plants? Should I maybe start building coal plants? Nah...

Julian Delphiki

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Helsinki, Funland
Dec 2006
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If i need the production boost, and have coal i will build them ASAP on most productive cities (unless unheathiness would really cripple them).

Depends most on what victory i am going for.. early cultural might do without.

sowings
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Jul 2008
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So is it true that a Nuke plant or Hydro plant built in the same city after a coal plant replaces it (thereby removing the -health)?

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Sep 2002
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When I don't build Sushi's I tend to build a lot of coal plants.
When I do build Sushi's though only a few cities get a coal plant (including the evenual Three Georges Dam)

The new power source replaces the old power source so the Nuke or Hyrdo Plant would remove the coal plant polution. (Keeping the power polution). But building a Coal plant after Three Georges would also cause unheathiness to increase.

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I build Coal Plants - sure. I try to make my cities have +4 health BEFORE i do tho. Then -2 remain from the CP. Loosing one pop for the production is fine for me. On epic building the average aqueduct (the +2 needed to get to the +4 health in comparison to the happy cap) + the plant takes like 10 turns.

okblacke
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Dec 2003
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29-07-2008 09:58
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I think it's a stupid game mechanic.

Particularly since you can't fix it. I liked Civ II where anything is fixable. But even fixable at this stage in the game, it doesn't (wouldn't) add anything.

Blaupanzer

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Oct 2000
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When I don't build Sushi's I tend to build a lot of coal plants.
When I do build Sushi's though, only a few cities get a coal plant (including the eventual Three Georges Dam)


What is the relationship between Sushi's and coal? You note a clear demarcation between yes and no about Sushi's, but Sushi's has no real affect on power directly. You go on to discuss pollution. Thus making me think that you are trading off power-based pollution with people-based pollution. Couldn't hydro plants solve your problem either way? Also there is some enviro building that you can build to eliminate all building pollution in the city (recycling center?).

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Sep 2001
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Sushi helps mitigate the health disadvantage by giving extra food.

That's my guess.

I'm with okblacke on not liking the fact that it's unfixable.

Maybe if a later technology allowed you to plant trees. . .

okblacke
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Dec 2003
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To elaborate on a philosophical level: Civ is inherently tech-positive and optimistic. So how is it we can build a spaceship that goes to Alpha Centauri but we can't combat global warming?

Julian Delphiki

Prince
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Dec 2006
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You build the spaceship to have new planet(s) to warm up since the original is toast.

Nikomakkos
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Jul 2008
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31-07-2008 13:06
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You build the spaceship to have new planet(s) to warm up since the original is toast.


Yes, I belief this is Sid's message. We should fry as many fertile planets we can find.

Julian Delphiki

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Dec 2006
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How are we doing this far?

Nikomakkos
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Jul 2008
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Not so good. Not even one scorched planet yet. This one still has all this water and green trees and green whatnot. We need more coal plants. I'm gonna build one in my back yard, and cut off the supplied hydro power to my house. I urge you people to do the same!

Blaupanzer

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Frying the planet is a tertiary goal, one to plan as not occuring in your lifetime. Plan one is to get rich and powerful. Secondary goal is to take over.

Spaceships keeps the same industries busy that were building war machines. Gives those folks something to do besides precipitating a nuclear war. The Russians and the US seemed to have figured this out a couple of decades ago but are falling back on their old military ways. A slipup in that arena can fry the planet in a big hurry (about one day, at most).

Nikomakkos
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Jul 2008
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I'm gonna become a ninja then clone myself, infiltrate the white house and the kremlin at the same time and press every red button I can find. Right after I build a coal plant in my back yard. But first I'm gonna become the president of the UN to ensure no Environmentalism civic or No Nuclear Weapons agreement.

Blaupanzer

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Oct 2000
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You are going to be very busy learning martial arts, biochemistry, factory construction, and international politics to the point of being a major influence. Suspect all that will take you more years than there are in one lifetime. So chill out and let the planet live.

Nikomakkos
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Jul 2008
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Well, I am in fact a cat, so I have nine lives. Being a cat means the ninja thing is almost covered, so that leaves biochemistry, factory construction and international politics. 3 lives there, so I'll have 6 lives to chill out. I'm gonna use them to play civ.

Blaupanzer

King
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Oct 2000
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01-08-2008 17:29
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..., so I'll have 6 lives to chill out. I'm gonna use them to play civ.


Theben
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I think the cold weather got to him. Niko just needs to move to someplace warm.

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