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Garth Vader

	King Saskatoon, SK, CA
	Oct 1999 time: 22:58

18-07-2008 19:54

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Shale Plant?

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I was reading a thread at another site where I am not registered, and somebody said that with the shale plant since BTS you have no -health from coal if you have oil, or something like that.

Is that right? Is this documented anywhere? I am currently in a game as Japan and was bummed cause I don't usually build coal plants because of the unhealthiness, but if true this is going to rock!

Theben

	Deity Dance Dance for the Revolution!
	Jan 1970 time: 23:58

19-07-2008 05:03

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joncnunn

	Emperor Maryland Heights, MO
	Sep 2002 time: 22:58

19-07-2008 16:23 | www

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Any coal plant stops producing unheathiness when a cleaner source of power arrives to the city (e.g. Hydro Plant built later in the same city or Three Georges on the landmass.)

But Coal Plants built after clean power arrives also replace the clean power source and so they start poluting.

So for any civ as long as you only build power plants in the cities that are already most productivate and stop doing so when you near completion of Three Georges you'll generally be fine. (Possible exception of a very productive Sushi's corp if your not holding the pop down with extra specalists).

ColdPhoenix

	Prince Londinium
	Mar 2006 time: 04:58

19-07-2008 21:29

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He's not talking about building a cleaner power plant, just getting oil. Don't know if it's what happens with the shale plant though.

Supr49er

	Prince Paso Robles, California
	Jan 2006 time: 20:58

21-07-2008 16:57

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Originally posted by Theben
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Yeah. The UB keeps me from playing as Tokugawa. I would play Japan if this were true.

ColdPhoenix

	Prince Londinium
	Mar 2006 time: 04:58

21-07-2008 17:49

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It doesn't appear to be the case. The advantages are an extra 10%

and that you don't need coal to power it. Nothing changes when you get oil.

Garth Vader

	King Saskatoon, SK, CA
	Oct 1999 time: 22:58

21-07-2008 18:14

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Ok, I had got to the point where I could build it, but I don't have oil yet. Although it looks like you don't get the extra 2 unhealthiness from coal, so it's a clean power source with +10 production.

ColdPhoenix

	Prince Londinium
	Mar 2006 time: 04:58

21-07-2008 18:39

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You get 4

due to power from both and nothing due to coal (though you don't get the power

if you don't have coal for the coal plant).

Garth Vader

	King Saskatoon, SK, CA
	Oct 1999 time: 22:58

21-07-2008 19:50

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So it's no difference? I could have sworn there was a difference, I didn't have nearly the problems I usually have when I industrialize. Oh well.

Baldyr

	Chieftain
	Dec 2005 time: 04:58

21-07-2008 20:23

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Man, this subject seems confused. Does someone know for a fact what Shale Plant does and doesn't?

ColdPhoenix

	Prince Londinium
	Mar 2006 time: 04:58

22-07-2008 12:01

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I checked using worldbuilder before I wrote post 6 and as far as I can tell that's the way it works .

Blaupanzer

	King Fairfax, VA
	Oct 2000 time: 23:58

25-07-2008 15:44

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The shale plant substitutes oil for coal for the power plant with the same pollution effect.

This breakthrough in the use of shale oil is as meaningless in the game as it was in the real world. We are still trying to figure out how to extract oil from shale at some profitable cost. In WWII, the cost of the process did not matter. Japan had no other source for fuel, so had to extract it at whatever cost applied. War often distorts economic policy in this way.

ColdPhoenix

	Prince Londinium
	Mar 2006 time: 04:58

25-07-2008 16:07

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You don't need any resource for the shale plant to provide power.

joncnunn

	Emperor Maryland Heights, MO
	Sep 2002 time: 22:58

26-07-2008 16:06 | www

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Actually, Blaupanzer's statement is outdated. (It should read prior to the recent oil price run up ...)

With raw crude oil demanding over $100 a barel, even Shale Oil extration could turn a profit. Now if the price drops significantly below $100 it would become unprofitable.

Blaupanzer

	King Fairfax, VA
	Oct 2000 time: 23:58

28-07-2008 17:12

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My understanding is that the engineering process to extract oil from shale of from tar sands is not well-defined. Meaning "it may be profitable, if oil remains above $80 a barrel," or whatever. Test sites are in place at the Colorado/Utah/Wyoming border. However, no "Eurekas" have been sounded as I understand it.

Back to the game, I have now heard the claim that the shale oil plant produces no pollution, and that the shale oil plant requires no resources. The former certainly appears to be false. As to the latter, does anyone know if this is correct? The darn UU comes too late -- a quick bee-line to plastics and up goes the Chinese dam, removing the need for any power plants.

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Blaupanzer

	King Fairfax, VA
	Oct 2000 time: 23:58

28-07-2008 17:12

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DP. Twice in one day, must be getting twitchy.

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Jaybe

	Emperor Henderson, NV USA
	Sep 2001 time: 20:58

28-07-2008 17:30

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YADP, Blaupanzer.
I find it hard to believe that a coal plant has too little lifespan before the superdam when the plant is used to speed the dam production.

Particularly at marathon speed!

Hauptman

	Prince San Diego CA
	Nov 2005 time: 20:58

30-07-2008 15:22

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Well i love playing as Tokugawa, and i always build the shale plants. If there gonna give em to me, I'm gonna use em.

Requires No resource. 100% true.

Produces less polution. I never payed attention. So no answer, sorry.

Adds 10% production bonus. 100% true.

Build in every city? yes, the damn dam is for captured cities on my last push to victory.

Blaupanzer

	King Fairfax, VA
	Oct 2000 time: 23:58

30-07-2008 15:27

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Now that we have identified an actual user, is it 10% of production or 10 extra hammers?

Hauptman

	Prince San Diego CA
	Nov 2005 time: 20:58

30-07-2008 15:48

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10%. If you have 100 hammer production already. then it will indeed be, 10 hammers.

Forge +25%
Factory +25%
power +50%
Shale +10%
Total. 110% increase.

Basically running state property without having to.

Blaupanzer

	King Fairfax, VA
	Oct 2000 time: 23:58

30-07-2008 15:51

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Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Cool!

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