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What do you do in a bad situation? (Time out:0 days after 17-07-2008, 10:10)
I keep on fighting til the end!
I load back an old save and do better this time
I give up and start a new game
I'm so good, I never get into a bad situation!
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Colm
Chieftain
The Netherlands
Apr 2008
time: 11:37
17-07-2008 10:09
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This happened in my latest game: I was doing great (ahead in tech, a nice stack of doom) and suddenly, 4 civs started to attack me. I could fend of 1 but the other side of my world was slowly being conquered.
But I did not gave up! Even after 4 cities were taken, I kept on fighting, making units, building walls,etc.
It was no use... I lost all cities...

What do you do in a situation like this? Do you load back an early save, do like me and keep on fighting or do you just say "next time better". Or are you so good that this situation never happens to you?

Nugog
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I rarely reload.

If I get walloped - then so be it - new game move on.

The only time I do reload is if I am trying out a specific strategy - and then, if I get it to work, I ditch the game and move on.

MyOlde
Prince
Haliburton, Ontario, Canada
Jun 1999
time: 10:37
17-07-2008 12:42
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I voted re-load but yesterday I shut down when Saladin moved on me and pretty quickly took two of my cities. I might have gotten things straightened around but I didn't have the stomach for a fight.

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Prince
The Bear Flag Republic
Jan 2006
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17-07-2008 16:09
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I almost always stubbornly slog ahead. I have learned more things this way than when things go too smoothly.

I never reload.

Nikomakkos
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Jul 2008
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17-07-2008 16:16
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I wish I was cool like Supr49er. But I'm such a perfectionist empire building nerd that I can't handle it when someone attacks me and I'm unprepared. I just load, or sometimes I loose interest and quit. I kinda suck I guess.

Theben
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Jan 1970
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17-07-2008 16:17
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Originally posted by Nugog
I rarely reload.

If I get walloped - then so be it - new game move on.


Also invalid poll.

Blaupanzer

King
Fairfax, VA
Oct 2000
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17-07-2008 17:15
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I evaluate whether I can pull it out. As long as I think I can, I play on. The AI is not so good at consistency. If they get distracted, then I can build up my forces and try again. But in those three-on-one (or more, oh my) events, I evaluate what I did wrong to attract all that attention, then retire. My HOF is mostly losses, but I think I am learning. Restarts from an earlier save seems to me to be cheating somehow, so I seldom do it. I have restarted on occasions where I should have burned a city, but kept it to no real value. Mostly, it's a No-No to me.

Garth Vader
King
Saskatoon, SK, CA
Oct 1999
time: 04:37
17-07-2008 17:53
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I reload often in bad situations. I cheat too often, but hey it's SP.

Playing out a losing situation can be a good learning experience, but so is reloading. Often a disastrous invasion can be stopped with only a few extra defenders. It helps to run through the same situation with slightly different setups to fine tune my build priorities.

Unimatrix11
Prince
Nov 2005
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18-07-2008 09:30
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I do reload, if the situation only got that bad, because i was too lazy or not attentive enough. For example i might have seen the invasion coming and where it would come, but didnt, hence didnt prepare for it, because i dont check my borders regularily. Or i might loose a settler which i sent out a couple-of-turns distance - then a barb pops out and eats it. Those are typical reload occasions.

Blaupanzer

King
Fairfax, VA
Oct 2000
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18-07-2008 15:04
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Unaccompanied settlers, another no-no.

Unimatrix11
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Nov 2005
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18-07-2008 15:19
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Well, the city-defender-to-be is always at the planned point of city-founding. So itīs only unescorted en-route, but safe when it gets there and founds.

Blaupanzer

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Oct 2000
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18-07-2008 15:22
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I'm too paranoid to try that very often, but using a formerly exploring warrior, et al, to occupy the city point and race the settler to it is a time-honored, if risky, tactic.

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Well, the city-defender-to-be is always at the planned point of city-founding. So itīs only unescorted en-route, but safe when it gets there and founds.


I see that as taking a calclated risk (in other words an out and out gamble) - if I do that and the settler gets by a barb - well then I took the risk, and paid the price.

Blaupanzer

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Oct 2000
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21-07-2008 16:20
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Eaten by a Panther/Wolf always possible due to their speed, lion and bear a little less often. But once the barb troops begin to arrive, they can pop up anywhere. Not worth it to dash an unguarded settler to a new site unless the settler stays mostly inside my or my friendly neighbor's cultural borders prior to meeting his town guard.

Unimatrix11
Prince
Nov 2005
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21-07-2008 18:24
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Well, even when i play with a buddy, loosing a settler to a unit you could have seen, but just didnt due to oversight, is a valid reason for reload. Though the player who had this happen to himself gets scolded. The reason why we do it this way, is because we both think, that the Civ4 map doesnt show units really clearly (as compared to, say, Civ1) and looking around each turn to make sure would take a lot of time. And the little arrows are of little use, when you have no non-automated units to move on that turn and the settler just keeps on walking before you can do anything about it. Itīs not a big deal anyways, because at the time you settle, turns dont take long, and replaying a maximum of 4 is no problem usually. Now, scouting around with a settler and stumbling into animals or barbs is a different strory. I never do that and in such a case, iīd totally agree with Nugog: Ones own fault. But if i send a settler from my city to an archer that stands at, say, 8-8-7-7 (all 1MP-Terrain) from that city (guarded as well of course and with BFC), then itīs loosing it, is not due to some risk i have taken, but can only be the result of oversight (unless in the very rare case of 2MP-barbs attacking). That kind of thing. Tho i am not sure how often this is really the case when my buddy is clamoring for reload again (it happens a lot more often to him then to me - which was just once). BTW: The shown walking path of units when you order them, is not always the one they actually take when they move and that can be another cause.

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Prince
Oklahoma, USA
Apr 2002
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24-07-2008 07:03
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I only reload if I make a stupid mistake like misclicking somewhere. Beyond that i'll fight out a situation until i've passed the point where I can't come back, then i'll start a new game. Occasionally i'll stick around beyond that point, just to see if the civ follows through. Usually they do, heh.

Blaupanzer

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Oct 2000
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Anyone ever request a vassal condition for themselves in order to survive when things have gone to h**l? I never have, but would be curious how difficult it would be to recover, then reemerge in such a case.

IIRC, I read somewhere in relation to Civ IV that if you capitulate, you might just as well resign. You won't be in a position to win again.

Nugog
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Anyone ever request a vassal condition for themselves in order to survive when things have gone to h**l?






I never have - would be interesting to try I suppose, but I would find it very hard to

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I didn't think you can become a vassal as a SP ... did that change at some point?

Mike1117
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Nov 2002
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I voted fight to the end, but in actuality, if it gets to where I don't have a chance to win, I quit. This, though usually happens when the final onslaught is heading to my capital. I guess I just can't watch myself be destroyed. This has only happened a few times, and not lately. I have lost, but very rarely to the point of destruction.
I do seem to recall that I was once offered capitulation, but I won't swear to it. That was a long time ago.

wodan11
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Oct 2006
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Interesting, I assumed they were talking about MP, while Snoopy assumed they were talking about SP.

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I assume this based on most of the folks here being SP players

Blaupanzer

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I did mean capitulation in an SP game, to one of the AI. I've never done it, perhaps it is not possible. I was just curious; this group of commenters represent the cream of the grognards with many more games per capita than any place else on the web.

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