Second Pitboss Diplomacy Game

Heraclitus · May 10, 2008, 14:52

This is the organization thread for a second Pitboss Diplo game. The diplo FAQ applies same as it does on the normal pitboss game. This will be a smaller (fewer players not necessarily smaller map) and shorter game, both of these are due to the fact we will be using the official Final Frontier mod that came with the Beyond the Sword expansion. Final frontiers as you probably know is a very extensive mod that came with BtS. Unfortunatley the AI didn't quite understand the changes. It changes Civ4 into a really good space strategy game, while preserving the Civ feel.

This game will be big on atmosphere, since a SF back-story will allow many opportunities for great stories. Anything from Star Trek references to reviving SMAC factions is possible (to be completely clear we will use the preexisting factions, but you will be allowed to name yours whatever you want).

We will use the spiral galaxy map script to generate the map. We will need to vote on whether we will want a premade map based on this script or whether we will go with whatever it makes.

We have room for 1 more players.

Players that have signed up:
1. Heraclitus
2. OzzyKP
3. Vampgelus
4. deity
5. dacole
6. Pinchak
7. Rasputin

More info soon to follow

Useful links:

A Final Frontier Walkthrough
Removed

We will be playing with the latest patch (3.17)

Rules:

1. We play with the Final Frontier mod
2. We employ Ozzy-like Score system
3. No tech brokering
4. 10 tech voucher rule
5. full kill? (kills are not supposed to happen, but I think a saftey feature like this one might be good, otherwise we might loose a civ to pirates

)

Map settings:

1. Galaxy script
2. Large map
3. Epic speed
4. Huts present

Updated after the release of the 3.17 patch

OzzyKP · May 10, 2008, 15:26

I'll tentatively say I'm in.

Vampgelus · May 10, 2008, 17:53

I'm in too. What will be the game speed ? I never played that mod for more than an hour, so i'd like to get a feel for it before we start.

deity · May 10, 2008, 23:22

May as well do this too. I'm in!

dacole · May 11, 2008, 02:14

I would like to play if I can be accepted. Won't be the best story person as you all know but I love this mod and I love sci-fi stories...

Heraclitus · May 11, 2008, 16:09

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Originally posted by Vampgelus
I'm in too. What will be the game speed ? I never played that mod for more than an hour, so i'd like to get a feel for it before we start.

Epic or Marathon. I haven't decided yet, we will call a vote on it. Usually when I play FF I'm done more quickly than the normal game. So I assume playing this game on marathon will be like playing the first pitboss on epic.

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Originally posted by deity
May as well do this too. I'm in!

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Originally posted by OzzyKP
I'll tentatively say I'm in.

Good to see vets steping up to this.

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Originally posted by dacole
I would like to play if I can be accepted. Won't be the best story person as you all know but I love this mod and I love sci-fi stories...

Hey as long as you post somethign. And SF will be the name of the game so you should feel at home in this game.

Vampgelus · May 11, 2008, 17:37

After trying a few games, i have to suggest something : hut's off, you can get the "religions" with the huts, what really doesn't help the game balance, especially if you consider how powerfull theese are.

Oh yeah and... epic should be long enough ^^

Heraclitus · May 11, 2008, 19:55

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Originally posted by Vampgelus
After trying a few games, i have to suggest something : hut's off, you can get the "religions" with the huts, what really doesn't help the game balance, especially if you consider how powerfull theese are.

Oh yeah and... epic should be long enough ^^

But space wreckage is fun.

dacole · May 11, 2008, 19:59

The religions are not all that unbalancing really. Especially since you do get points for spreading them. Epic should also be long enough. Playing with real people I expect the game to last longer.

Has it ever been decided if wanting someones territory if you build up to it story wise is an acceptable reason to go to war?

Vampgelus · May 11, 2008, 20:53

Yeah, but only if the story isn't an excuse to tell "i want all the land, and you get screwed!".

Pinchak · May 12, 2008, 16:34

Count me in if there is still room.

Pittboss moves so slow I should have time for two.

Heraclitus · May 12, 2008, 17:24

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Originally posted by Vampgelus
Yeah, but only if the story isn't an excuse to tell "i want all the land, and you get screwed!".

Exactly.

PS: The more creative you are the more you will be able to get away with.

As to "religions" I think they are called "values" (survival, power, knowledge and... I don't remember the others).

@Pinchak: No prob there is still room.

Pinchak · May 13, 2008, 04:21

I as well vote for epic speed (or normal).

You guys really have no idea how slooooow pittboss moves.

Nugog · May 13, 2008, 05:02

How are these different from Democracy Games?

OzzyKP · May 13, 2008, 05:15

Very different. No teams, no voting, lots of RPing.

Check the DiploFAQ link in my sig.

Nugog · May 13, 2008, 07:00

Will do - thanks.

Vampgelus · May 13, 2008, 08:28

Damn, after a quick look at the leaders, i thought i only got to get one and that all the others sucked... now that i've tried a few leaders, can't even tell which one i like the most...

As for the values, i think getting +20% gold per planet for the reminder of the game in a hut is quite overpowered, especially if someone else was a few turns from founding it by research.

I tried the map script, and it's nice, so that's ok for me. BtW, how do you create new star systems in the editor ? I only get the circles, without a star or a planet.

Epic game seems the best option. It will take us about a year, a little more. Marathon would be 2-3 years. But normal would definitively be too fast, even with the forge faction you only have a relatively small window before your units become obsolete, and you are always struggling building the buildings before you got new ones by techs. (I wonder how you do this with the science faction, with even faster teching and slower production O.o). On marathon, the first border pop would be at 150 culture, and you need the second border pop in order to access all your planets (not mentionning the ressources, even further away). A starbase costs 150 credits on epic, and takes 25 turns (IIRC) to complete... almost a month of playing ! So i would say epic for prod/tech balance and for being able to see an end of that game before getting retired

Heraclitus · May 13, 2008, 09:43

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Originally posted by Pinchak
I as well vote for epic speed (or normal).

You guys really have no idea how slooooow pittboss moves.

I think everyone is now agreed on epic.

dacole · May 14, 2008, 20:45

Normal would be ok for me, but if I am the only one that wants it thats fine. A year is such a long time. The other values have powers that are almost as strong as that one. Also so I can't just want to kill someone because I want to kill them I can't be crazy? Ah well. I"ll have to get creative then.

Are we expecting a one turn a day pitboss if so then we are going to be moving really really slow that is seven turns a week....we usually do about 30 to 40 in our other games correct?