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Here is an island map save i played with the cubans and we played with a long peace periode. Look at Attilas good sonar planet controlling sonars

Load it as a singleplayer game then cheat modus and view the map

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one example for a land game i played with the koreans
It would be good if yoda or paul would write something about strategies

PS: PaulNo1 is absolut no cheater!!

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In the challenge ladder thread the problem with unequal starting positions was raised.
I have made som calculations of different starting positions with just small differences.

The following example assume following
- Only produce settlers until you have 40 cities and then produce granary.
- All cities built on forest and work one ocean tile: 10 food 5 production 5 gold.
- Every 2nd city has a trade goods tile. Total 20 trade goods.
- Theocracy is enacted at turn 27
- Workday at max, rations at minimum.


CASE 1
Total gained in whole empire until turn 100:

Production: 91470
Food: 33595
Gold: 13711

Empire output at turn 100:
Production: 2681
Food: 1030
Gold: 401


CASE 2
If we change the first city so it has 2 tiles of forest+river we will get following result:

Production: 123954 +36%
Food: 44650 +33%
Gold: 17706 +29%

Empire output at turn 100:
Production: 2953 +10%
Food: 1085 +5%
Gold: 368 -8%


CASE 3
If we can make the 2 first cities to use only forest + river tiles (4 total) we will get the following result:

Production: 138431 +51%
Food: 48990 +46%
Gold: 19947 +45%

Empire output at turn 100:
Production: 3084 +15%
Food: 1090 +6%
Gold: 340 -15%


If we only study the first city, your capitol, for 100 turns we will get following accumulated values:

Case 1
Production: 5649
Food: 2160
Gold: 183 (no trade tile)

Case 2
Production: 10538 +87%
Food: 2695 +25%
Gold: 653 (no trade tile) +357%

Conclusion: Even if rivers gives a nice advantage it takes many river tiles to get huge boost on whole empire. +50% production in the best case above could make a difference in the end.
But..... when it comes to racing for wonders, rivers are EXTREMLY important., Just look on the production boost in one single city...
Also the gold output from the city gets very good, but looking on the whole empires total gold output it drops!But at turn 100 you should start to think about caravans/marketplaces in order to make your economy grow fast.

Edit 040402 Added current output for all cities at turn 100 also. Updated calculations above since I have forgot some parameters when calculating the values. Changed conclusion since it obviously was wrong due to my small "errors"

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hello,

i would like to know whether the following behaviors are considered cheating or not (regarding PBEM play):

- looking at your own old turns of a game to have a picture of how the situation was a while ago.

- reconstructing a situation in the cheat mode of an independent single player game, using only the information of the actual game that you can legally access.

example:
i see a stack of 6 units on a forest with a samurai on top. i consider attacking that stack with my own stack of which i naturally know the contents.
the question is: am i allowed, before i make the decision to attack or not, to start a new single player game, open the cheat mode and give one AI a stack of 6 units on a forest including one samurai (guessing the remaining contents), then give myself "a copy" of the stack i have in the game and test out how the attack works ?
basically experience would give you the same result as testing it this way, so i dont see anything illegal about it.

- replaying a turn with the exact same decisions. note that the results will be the same if you use the same order of actions, due to the random seeding of the game.

example:
i make an attack and clicked close too fast, not memorizing which enemy units were participating. i reopen the turn, make the same actions in the same order, this time looking more closely at those units.

- replaying a turn with the same decisions in all situations involving randomness or otherwise 'hidden' information, but changing those decisions where none of these are involved.

example #1:
i end my turn but suddenly realize i forgot to adjust the slider settings. i reopen the turn, make everything identical as before, but adjust the slider settings.

example #2:
i rush buy a certain object, look at the next city and see i would have rather spent the money on that object. i reopen the turn and act accordingly (provided no random event made me change my mind or something like that).

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thank you
math
trying to make the best out of his turns.

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