The Dance of Civilizations [Diplo Game] [Organization Thread Pt1]

[St Jon]

most interesting philosophical item this. the part about changing yourself especially. we all choose who we are, but some behaviour comes easier to us than to others. and sometimes what people who are down need to hear is "get a grip", other times that is the last thing they need to hear.

but suffering from depression is serious stuff, and when doing so stressful situations should be avoided. diplogames are a bit stressful. perhaps you should evaluate if you're spending more energy playing than you are having fun...

Like I said, just give the guy a break and let him play. No friends at home must be terrible, and PC Games cannot solve any problem, but being made to feel inadequate on a Forum is harmful. Social interaction is a good thing for anyone regardless of underlying mental health issues. He can write good stories and his score shows him not to be bad at Civ management. Winning Wars will come later but winning friends in the game is a good goal to go for.

[Robert Plomp]

I agree with St Jon.
Welcome back Rasputin
I'm glad that you didn't leave.

We are your friends! The fact that we won't trade techs with you or may even nuke you won't change that

[The Holy Empire of Britannia (DoC)]

I for one am glad that Ras is staying and hope to read more about the wangs.

[Rasputin]

well i here for better or worse.

play oin !!!!

[England (DoC)]

As usual I am confused where to vote. Robert I tried that link you send me last time but it is not working now.

Any help?

[Egypt (DoC)]

I tried to vote, but when I login I see what I pasted below, am I doing something wrong? I am using the url: http://www.ghccci.org/CIV/Egypt/Egypt_Vote.html

Page Not Found

We cannot locate the page you're looking for. Please check the address and make sure all letters are lowercased with no spaces. You may also move to a different page by using the links in the menu bar above.

[Robert Plomp]

Voting procedure is explained here

Ok, it's time for rating again!
Please all cast your votes at: http://www.ghccci.org/CIV/DoC_Vote.html
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Enjoy the game! Both if you receive good or bad rates.

TODAY last day for rating! Please all send in your rates today or you'll receive a penalty

[Egypt (DoC)]

I noticed that I can vote for myself too, is that taken out of the final calculation, because that could lead to some skewed results when everybody gives themselves top marks Anyway, I voted

[Robert Plomp]

votes for yourself will be filtered. thats why it asks for your password on the form as well. dont forget to fill it out or your submission will nog be counted.

[Byzantium (DoC)]

SORRY GUYS - THE NET HAS GONE DOWN HERE SO I CANT PLAY MY TURN

On a borrowed connection I can get to here just about, but definitely can't connect to the game.

Normally I would say 'who cares' but as you know there is an army approaching one of my cities, and reinforcements moving to it to. A turn in which my troops don't move could well have serious consequences like cities falling which shouldn't, scouts being caught up with because they don't move when they are keeping one step ahead etc. I know I am not technically at war, but missing a turn now will be just as bad as missing one in war.

Please can we pause? 24 hours at the most - I will sort out a playable connection some how tomorrow, but there is nothing I can do tonight.

[The Holy Empire of Britannia (DoC)]

It is too late to stop the timer now with less then 4 mins but next turn should be paused long enough for the Byzintines to get a better connection or a temp sub to make his moves for him.

[Russia (DoC)]

voted. I moved my army north instead of east, so you've already gained a turn if I do decide to move against you.

[Robert Plomp]

I've paused the game by request of Byzantium.
I have made a save, there's also a save from when Russia connected to the game, 5 minutes before the turn passed.

If Byzantium tells me when he's ready I can then (if I'm home) start the server and he has then 5 minutes to play his turn.

[Mali (DoC)]

Did you pause the game by shutting the server off? I cannot connect and based on the e-mail I received from civstats, there should still be 6 hours left on the clock.

[England (DoC)]

I do not see the problem here, if Russia has already deleted his turn. Can we please resume? Hate having the weekend and not playing my turns.

[Robert Plomp]

The pitboss server is down indeed.
We have a small difficulty here indeed, b/c both Russia and Byzantium still have to (re)play their turn in 5 minutes, if the server starts again.

We can go back one more save, but then both India and Ottomania also have to (re)play their turn.

Maybe it's best indeed to just let both Russia and Byzantium not play their last turn, then it's an even playing field, and then continue from there on.

[Russia (DoC)]

here's a nice big question of: what!?

I do not think it alright to stop the game completely because byzantine has lost a single turn. we're not even at war yet. a single turn, compared to russia losing a voucher on a tech we had all but researched ourselves. we took that loss, which is a big loss, and byzantium can't take losing one turn? has he not queued his builds for 1 turn? has he not ordered his troops to move for more than one turn? I have, I should not have to lose a turn because he is ill-organized. I accidentally moved my army in the wrong direction a few turns ago (laptop-pad mistake), I didn't even mention it cause it was such a minor thing. if I were to do as the byzantine I would demand a reload. but this is a fractionally small thing, not worth our attention. the whole point of the pitboss server is so we could lose a turn now and then, by queuing up and preparing ahead of time.

I think it is quite selfish for byzantium to demand a full stop of the game (on the weekend) just because he can't play a single turn.

and regardless of other things I am NOT agreeing to lose my turn because he has lost his, because it has nothing to do with me.

[Rome (DoC)]

I am getting a page not found on the voting as well. Is it working for everyone else?

[Arabia (DoC)]

http://www.ghccci.org/CIV/DoC_Vote.html

Works for me

[Mali (DoC)]

Robert can you explain why there is only 5 minutes left? I got an e-mail from civstats at 1:30 Central time yesterday. I checked the forums yesterday approximately 8 hours after the e-mail when I was unable to log in to play my turn. Upon checking the forums, apparently 12 hours had passed in the space of at least 8. Can you shed some light on this mystery?

Also, I'm out for the next 24 hours. I'm not asking for anyone to hold the game for me. Although I do understand the problem here. If someone is having internet problems in a crucial time, I would expect we would hold the game until that person gets connectivity back.

[Byzantium (DoC)]

Hi Guys.

I am glad to report that in under the 24 hours, I am now back.

I appreciate very much the inconvenience of the pause. First time I have ever asked.

I understand some unhappiness on here. Its not for me to respond - I merely asked RP for a pause - I had no ability to make it happen, and certainly didn't demand it. I didn't ask for a reload - I indicated a problem in advance, and posted and texted RP about it as in our instructions. I think to be fair though this is one of the effects of still running with an 11 hour rather than originally agreed 24 hour timer. I am all in favour of the 11 hours, but in a 'war-like' situation its pretty punishing, and leaves no room for problems. But I am happy for RP/others to decide what happens.

Russia shouldn't lose anything from this though - he has certainly not to blame for anything. I am not sure I understand the issue since Russia finished turn 9 hours before the last turn was due to finish. But whatever the detail, if anyone should lose out, certainly shoudl be me, but by alerting to the problem in advance I hoped nobody would need to.

RP - I am around now.

[Russia (DoC)]

I just meant that I shouldn't lose a turn...

[Russia (DoC)]

could we please put the game back up? pause it and let byzants do their turn so we can go on. We've been on hold the whole weekend...

[Byzantium (DoC)]

I guess RP isn't around; I'm sure he will be soon.

[Robert Plomp]

ok, I"m here, if both Russia and Byzantium are here we can do the thing.

[Byzantium (DoC)]

Yes - ready to log in and play fast

[Robert Plomp]

Now we need to hear from Russia

[Byzantium (DoC)]

I think that the implication of Russia's (1103) is that he is happy if you restart it from when Russia entered the game five minutes before last turn was to end. I think you said you had a save from then. Presumbly in those five minutes he wasn't doing anything but just waiting for the turn to flip.

[Robert Plomp]

Now I see, it was Russia's 2nd login.
I'm starting the game now. Start trying from now on to avoid missing valuable seconds

edit: Game is back on
edit2: Wrong save. Now the right one is up.

[Byzantium (DoC)]

Many thanks Robert for sorting that - and again to everyone for putting up with the pause.