Sprite List

[Locutus]

We used to have a sprite list to avoid different mods from using the same IDs to refer to different sprites. But this list is very old and many new sprites exist now. Time to update the list?

Discuss: What new sprites should be added? (I.e. which ones are/will probably actually be used?) Which ones can be removed? Any other changes?

I don't suppose anyone has a good overview of all existing sprites? :scared:

My opinion: Tom Davies and BleuO retired from CtP modmaking a long time ago, so there's no longer a need to reserve space for them. It's not very likely Dinosaur an other exotic sprites will be used very often, but regular Civ3 and AoK units have a good chance of being used, so we should IMHO add some of those.

List:

# CATTLE 1
SPRITE_SETTLER 2
SPRITE_SWORDSMAN 3
SPRITE_SLAVER 4
SPRITE_MOUNTED_ARCHER 5
SPRITE_SAMURAI 6
SPRITE_CATAMARAN 7
SPRITE_HOPLITE 8
# CATTLE 9
SPRITE_DIPLOMAT 10
SPRITE_CATAPULT 11
SPRITE_CLERIC 12
SPRITE_ARCHER 13
SPRITE_FIRE_TRIREME 14
SPRITE_KNIGHT 15
SPRITE_LONGSHIP 16
SPRITE_PIKEMEN 17
SPRITE_WEREWOLF 18 #
MORARU_KYONSHI
SPRITE_CULVERIN 19
SPRITE_CAVALRY 20
SPRITE_SHIP_OF_THE_LINE 21
SPRITE_INFANTRYMAN 22
SPRITE_LAWYER 23
SPRITE_FASCIST 24
SPRITE_ABOLITIONIST 25
SPRITE_CARRACK 26
SPRITE_MACHINE_GUNNER 27
SPRITE_ANTIAIR 28
SPRITE_IRONCLAD 29
SPRITE_TROOP_SHIP 30
SPRITE_SUBMARINE 31
SPRITE_STEALTH_FIGHTER 32
SPRITE_BATTLESHIP 33
SPRITE_SECRET_AGENT 34
SPRITE_FIGHTER 35
SPRITE_AIRCRAFT_CARRIER 36
SPRITE_URBAN_PLANNER 37
SPRITE_TANK 38
SPRITE_MARINE 39
SPRITE_NUKE 40
SPRITE_DESTROYER 41
SPRITE_TELEVANGELIST 42
SPRITE_CARGO_HELICOPTER 43
SPRITE_CRUISE_MISSILE 44
SPRITE_EMPATHIC_DIPLOMAT 45
SPRITE_INTERCEPTOR 46
SPRITE_JET_BOMBER 47
SPRITE_CYBER_NINJA 48
SPRITE_MOBILE_SAM 49
SPRITE_CORPORATE_BRANCH 50
SPRITE_STEALTH_BOMBER 51
SPRITE_SCOUT_SUB 52
SPRITE_PARATROOPER 53
SPRITE_CYBERATTORNEY 54
SPRITE_SPACE_PLANE 55
SPRITE_MOBILE_SUBNEURAL_AD 56
SPRITE_SPY_PLANE 57
SPRITE_AT_ARTILLERY 58
SPRITE_SEA_ENGINEER 59
SPRITE_MOREY_STRIKER 60
SPRITE_KRAKEN 61
SPRITE_PLASMA_DESTROYER 62
SPRITE_DREADNAUGHT 63
SPRITE_ECO_TERRORIST 64
SPRITE_HOVER_INFANTRY 65
#SPRITE_SPACE_ENGINEER 66
SPRITE_JAVELINEER 67
SPRITE_INFECTOR 68
SPRITE_CRAWLER 69
SPRITE_PLASMATICA 70
#SPRITE_STAR_CRUISER 71
SPRITE_ZULU_WARRIOR 72
SPRITE_HOVER_MARINE 73
#SPRITE_SPACE_BOMBER 74
SPRITE_ECO_RANGER 75
#SPRITE_WORMHOLE_PROBE 76
SPRITE_LEVIATHON 77
SPRITE_FUSION_TANK 78
SPRITE_NUCLEAR_SUBMARINE 79
SPRITE_PT_BOAT 80
SPRITE_ELEPHANT 81
SPRITE_SELF_PROP_GUN 82
#SPRITE_ALEXANDER 83
#SPRITE_DARIUS 84
#SPRITE_GENERAL 85
SPRITE_BANDIT_HORSEMAN 86
#SPRITE_CATAMARAN 87
SPRITE_HEAVY_SWORDSMAN 88
SPRITE_LONGBOWMAN 89
SPRITE_CITY 90
SPRITE_SPACE_CITY 90
SPRITE_OCEAN_CITY 90
#SPRITE_SAMURAI 91
#SPRITE_SAMURAI2 92
#SPRITE_SAMURAI3 93
# 94-100 Apolyton Pack units
SPRITE_HORSE_ARCHER 94
SPRITE_PRIVATEER 95
SPRITE_MISSILE_CRUISER 96
SPRITE_ATTACK_HELICOPTER 97
## sprite nos. 101-125 reserved
## for Ctp1 and WW2 scenario units.
#GU101.SPR - atank
SPRITE_BOMBER 101 # battle
#GU103.SPR - bf109
SPRITE_GERMAN_TANK 104
SPRITE_GERMAN_TANK2 105
#GU106.SPR - r35
#GU107.SPR - somau
SPRITE_BRITISH_FIGHTER 108
SPRITE_DIVE_BOMBER 109
SPRITE_RIFLEMAN 110
#SPRITE_SETTLER 111
#SPRITE_LONGSHIP 112
#SPRITE_KNIGHT 114
SPRITE_HOWITZER 115
SPRITE_LEGION 116
SPRITE_CANNON 117
SPRITE_WAR_WALKER 118
SPRITE_MUSKETEER 119
SPRITE_BOWMAN 120
SPRITE_HOVERTANK 121
SPRITE_SWARM 122
SPRITE_PHALANX 123
SPRITE_WARRIOR 124
SPRITE_TRIREME 125
## sprite nos. 126-150 reserved
## for BlueO's units
SPRITE_AM_SWORDSMAN 126
SPRITE_AM_ARCHER 127
SPRITE_AM_WARRIOR 128
SPRITE_AM_BOWMAN 129
SPRITE_AM_VALKYRIE 130
SPRITE_AM_SPY 131
SPRITE_AM_WINGED 132
SPRITE_AM_BLUEWARRIOR 133
SPRITE_AM_ECO?WARRIOR 134
SPRITE_AM_ROGUE 135
SPRITE_HITECH_ROBOT 136
SPRITE_WARWALKER 137
SPRITE_WARWALKER2 138
## sprite nos. 151-175 reserved
## for Tom Davies' units
SPRITE_SPY 151
SPRITE_NOBLE 152
SPRITE_SLINGER 153
SPRITE_LIGHT_CAVALRY 154
SPRITE_HEAVY_CAVALRY 155
SPRITE_CHARIOT 156
SPRITE_BRONZE_SWORDSMAN 157
SPRITE_SPEARMAN 158
SPRITE_FYRDMAN 159
SPRITE_BERSERKER 160
SPRITE_ARQUEBUSIER 161
SPRITE_BOMBARD 162
SPRITE_COG 163
#reserved for WWI Tank
SPRITE_MONITOR 165
SPRITE_STORM_MARINE 166
SPRITE_AIRBORNE 167
#reserved for Seige Engine
## sprite nos. 199 and down reserved
## for Miscellaneous units
SPRITE_BLUE_CATAPULT 180
SPRITE_BELFROI 197
SPRITE_FRIGATE 198
SPRITE_CARRIER 199

[Immortal Wombat]

This is Wes' list, yes? IIRC there was a minor discrepancy between Cradle's numbering system and MedMod's. But if this has been corrected in later updates, then it doesn't matter.

Thoughts: Any unit that is being used in a mod cannot be renumbered. Since CtP2 has a catapult sprite already, the blue catapult and the belfroi (this is the fanmade brown one, I think) are no longer used, so can be moved. The frigate and carrier are also custom and unused. We have four spaces 98 99 100 113 which are serving no purpose currently. If we were to abritarily move the last four into those gaps, we'd have a big space 168+ to play with for new sprites, as well as of course 139-150, into which I suggest we put some of Carneron's less sci-fi sprites.

============== unused ============
98
99
100

113

139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
147
148
149
150

169
170
171
172
173
174
175
176
177
178
179
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192
193
194
195
196
============== /unused ============


Also, the hosting of custom sprites is a mess. They're scattered between two "files" pages, the directory, and half-a-dozen fan sites which come and go like leaves in a breeze. If we get all fan sprites onto the Depot, we can link them properly, even set up a database, search page or something.

[Locutus]

Also, the hosting of custom sprites is a mess. They're scattered between two "files" pages, the directory, and half-a-dozen fan sites which come and go like leaves in a breeze. If we get all fan sprites onto the Depot, we can link them properly, even set up a database, search page or something.

I agree, something needs to be fixed. We can use Apolyton's disk space for this if needed (allowing us to use PHP to write a search/database/whatever script). What we need first and foremost is a list of ALL CtP2 sprites out there -- but that could be a painful job to compile...

[hexagonian]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Any unit that is being used in a mod cannot be renumbered. Since CtP2 has a catapult sprite already, the blue catapult and the belfroi (this is the fanmade brown one, I think) are no longer used, so can be moved.
Both the belfroi (197) and blue catapult (180) are used in Cradle, so numbers need to be reserved for them.

I believe that I did fix the discrepency between Wes's Mod and mine, but that was a long time ago.

Some other observations
I have Ben's Crossbowman at 188
CTP1 Cleric at 192
Ben's Hurricane (storm) at 176 (unused in my game though)

Here is my list

SPRITE_ABOLITIONIST 25
SPRITE_AIRCRAFT_CARRIER 36
SPRITE_ARCHER 13
SPRITE_ARTILLERY 82
SPRITE_BATTLESHIP 33
SPRITE_BOMBER 47
SPRITE_CANNON 19
SPRITE_CARGO_HELICOPTER 43
SPRITE_CATAMARAN 8
SPRITE_CATAPULT 180
SPRITE_CAVALRY 20
SPRITE_CITY 90
SPRITE_CLERIC 12
SPRITE_CORPORATE_BRANCH 50
SPRITE_CRAWLER 69
SPRITE_CRUISE_MISSILE 44
SPRITE_CYBER_NINJA 48
SPRITE_CYBERATTORNEY 54
SPRITE_DESTROYER 41
SPRITE_DIPLOMAT 10
SPRITE_DREADNAUGHT 63
SPRITE_ECO_RANGER 75
SPRITE_ECO_TERRORIST 64
SPRITE_EMPATHIC_DIPLOMAT 45
SPRITE_FASCIST 24
SPRITE_FIGHTER 35
SPRITE_TRIREME 14
SPRITE_FRIGATE 80
SPRITE_FUSION_TANK 78
SPRITE_GALLEY 163
SPRITE_HOPLITE 3
SPRITE_HOVER_INFANTRY 65
SPRITE_INFANTRYMAN 22
SPRITE_INFECTOR 68
SPRITE_INTERCEPTOR 46
SPRITE_IRONCLAD 29
SPRITE_KNIGHT 15
SPRITE_KRAKEN 61
SPRITE_LAWYER 23
SPRITE_LEVIATHON 77
SPRITE_LONGSHIP 16
SPRITE_MACHINE_GUNNER 27
SPRITE_MARINE 39
SPRITE_MOBILE_SAM 49
SPRITE_MOBILE_SUBNEURAL_AD 56
SPRITE_MOREY_STRIKER 60
SPRITE_MOUNTED_ARCHER 5
SPRITE_NUCLEAR_SUBMARINE 79
SPRITE_NUKE 40
SPRITE_OCEAN_CITY 90
SPRITE_PARATROOPER 53
SPRITE_PIKEMEN 17
SPRITE_PLASMA_DESTROYER 62
SPRITE_SCOUT_SUB 52
SPRITE_SEA_ENGINEER 59
SPRITE_SETTLER 2
SPRITE_SHIP_OF_THE_LINE 21
SPRITE_SLAVER 190
SPRITE_SPACE_CITY 90
SPRITE_SPACE_PLANE 55
SPRITE_SPY 152
SPRITE_SPY_PLANE 57
SPRITE_STEALTH_BOMBER 51
SPRITE_STEALTH_FIGHTER 32
SPRITE_SUBMARINE 31
SPRITE_SWORDSMAN 6
SPRITE_TANK 38
SPRITE_TELEVANGELIST 42
SPRITE_TROOP_SHIP 30
SPRITE_URBAN_PLANNER 37
SPRITE_WAR_WALKER 58
SPRITE_WARRIOR 124
SPRITE_ELEPHANT_WARRIOR 81
SPRITE_LEGION 83
SPRITE_PRAETORIANS 85
SPRITE_CATAPHRACT 86
SPRITE_HYPASPISTS 8
SPRITE_COMPOSITE_ARCHER 89
SPRITE_SPEARMAN 158
SPRITE_JAVELIN_CAVALRY 154
SPRITE_SLINGER 153
SPRITE_BIREME 7
SPRITE_TREBUCHET 11
SPRITE_PROPHET 192
SPRITE_BELFROI 197
SPRITE_HEPTIREME 125
SPRITE_MAN_AT_ARMS 160
SPRITE_CROSSBOWMAN 188
SPRITE_ARQUEBUSIER 119
SPRITE_GALLEON 26
SPRITE_HORSEMAN 155
SPRITE_CHARIOT 156
SPRITE_REVOLUTIONARY 34
SPRITE_NOMAD 111
SPRITE_DROMON 189
SPRITE_PEZHETEROI 88
SPRITE_JANISSARY 159
SPRITE_TEUTONIC_KNIGHT 114
SPRITE_HAMMURABI 154
SPRITE_RAMSES 156
SPRITE_NEBUCHADNEZZER 155
SPRITE_ALEXANDER_THE_GREAT 8
SPRITE_CAESAR 83
SPRITE_MUHAMMAD 6
SPRITE_CHARLEMANGE 114
SPRITE_HERNAN_CORTES 114
SPRITE_SLAVEMASTER 4
SPRITE_ULYSSES_GRANT 20
SPRITE_FRANCIS_DRAKE 21
SPRITE_DWIGHT_EISENHOWER 38
SPRITE_NORMAN_SCHWARZKOPF 46
SPRITE_CORACLE 87
SPRITE_HURRICANE 176

[hexagonian]

Lord of the Rings...
190 - CTP1 Slaver
191 - CTP1 Archer
194 - CTP2 Zulu2

[Immortal Wombat]

darn. That, of course is the other problem. Getting the names sorted. I really can't see anyway of being 100% standarised without images of each one... :D


Sprites not on the list that I found after a quick scan of the directory and recent threads:

John Wiley's three musketeers:
http://apolyton.net/ctp/modification/zips/ThreeMusk.zip&action=go&id=1767

Lev's satellite (His attack 'copter is APP #97 and missile cruise, #96)
http://apolyton.net/ctp/modification/zips/satellite-helicopter.zip&action=go&id=1764

Crousto's planes
http://apolyton.net/ctp/modification/zips/avions.zip&action=go&id=1781

"Steve"'s satellite unit.

The Combat Engineer from CtP1. New tgas needed. Mine suck. This was/had been allocated #113 later on in that thread.

Alper Saracoglu's 38 of mixed cultural background.

My Battering Ram and Xbowman here (http://www.weaver1.btinternet.co.uk/ctp2/files.html)

BigMC's dinos * 3/4? Allosaur, Stegosaur and Parasaur ( +Anklyosaur?)


Stankarp's: heavy spearman, phalanx, war chariot, galley, heavy cavalry, legion, (keshik on the way ?)

FRITZ has just released 9 more AD 1800 units - all animated, movement and attack, a little off-centre of tile, but very nice-looking in with his EUROPE 1800 scenario.

And law's 9 units I have somewhere.
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30326


I've searched the forum back to when Tom released his Chariot. I can't guarantee that's the lot of them, but I'm not about to double-check. :p

[Martin Gühmann]

SPRITE_CITY 90
SPRITE_SPACE_CITY 90
SPRITE_OCEAN_CITY 90


I think I tried to use one of these sprites and I think it was a settler but I am not shure, so if it is really something we already have then it could be replaced by something else. Presuming it does not make any trouble. Also the gu000.spr is not used.

-Martin

[stankarp]

I tried the above links and for the first 3, got a "congratulations you found a missing page error"??

30326 did connect though.
Locutus, can I bundle up all my sprites into one folder and submit them for you to put in the units section of the ctp2 information pages? I can also do Canerons units as well if you like as I downloaded all of them.

I have Med mod, SAP and Cradle downloaded and my numbers for sprites were inserted into gaps(except for cataphract- need to give that a new number). They are.
-194 Auxilliary Legion.
-Cataphract 086
-Galley 187
-Heavy Cavalry 169
-heavy spearman 157
-Phalanx 196
-war chariot 146.
-legion 195

Working on Peltast ATM.

[stankarp]

Just posted my Peltast, Sprite no 191.

Renumbered Cataphract from 086 to 193.

[Immortal Wombat]

Work In Progress (http://ctpmodmakers.250free.com/sprites/index.html)

As a database, it sucks, but this is a very basic version of the kind of thing we need.

[centrifuge]

How come there aren't any links to some pages (ie IW's work in progress, and the civ3 units) at the CTP modmakers depot main page?
...or is there, and I'm just blind and/or stupid :)

[Immortal Wombat]

Because the main page isn't updated as much as it should be. :D

We use the Depot more as an FTP host* than as a web site/directory. Consequently, not everything that gets put up on it gets linked from the main page.


* Contrary to the intentions of the host, amusingly enough - but if they will provide an enormous amount of file space, they have to expect some people to use it for files - html doesnt use an awful lot of space.

[Immortal Wombat]

The three paratroopers and four unique infantries in the WW2 scenario have not been assigned sprite numbers. Request we put the Marines at least in with the other scenario units/WW2 tanks and planes at numbers 98,99,100.

If we also relocated the AP1 units (horse archer, privateer, 'copter and missile cruiser) we'd have room for the infantries in 94-97. Do any CtP2 mods use the 4 Apolyton Pack units?

edit: ok, MM2 does. Scrap that.

[Immortal Wombat]

Ok... The index (http://ctpmodmakers.250free.com/sprites/index.html) is now updated to where Wes left off. I have added Lev's satellite to #98 and Crousto's planes as #99 and #100. This fills that gap nicely.
edit: I have since replaced these, as they clashed with WAW sprite allocation. They are now at #149,#150 and #164.
Which leaves (as a maximum - see Appendix):
Numbers to Assign:

009 (1)
200 (1)
-----
(2)

2 spaces.
+166/167 ???

And these sprites to put into it... :lol: In order of groups of priority (IMO)

C:CtP: 27 still unassigned
abolitionist, bomber, cavalry, c-branch, cyberninja, crawler, diplomat, drone,
ecoranger, fascist, fighter, fire trireme, infector, lawyer, m-gunner, marine,
mounted archer, phantom, pikeman, pod, sea engineer, slaver, space fighter, spy,
s-bomber, tank, televangelist,

Immortal Wombat: 1
Battering Ram

FRITZ: 9
Europe 1800 units. Musketeers, cossacks, etc.

Alper Saracoglu: 39
(all unanimated)

Harlan Thompson: (lots)
WW2 Unit pack.
(all unanimated) But lots of 'planes and ships that don't need movement animation, and still look fine.
I have 140 on file. I'm not sure how many of these are new and unique. Most I think. NB: 198 and 199 are from this pack IIRC.

LittleWing: 8
Fantasyesque units.
Only a couple usable in 'real' historical context.

BlueO: 5
Sprites mentioned in his AltoSciFi newsprite.txt, but #ed out
#SPRITE_SKY_ANGEL, SPRITE_WAR_GODDESS,
#SPRITE_IMPERIAL_SHADOW_TROOPER
#SPRITE_BATTLE_MECHA, SPRITE_AL_GROUND
Do they even exist?

Big Mc: 4
Allosaur, Stegosaur and Parasaur ( + Anklyosaur?)

"Steve"'s Satellite (directory)
With sounds IIRC. But... no space in CtP2

John Wiley's Three-coloured musketeers
(unaminated)

Lars Anders Willen (law): 9
Mostly fantastic, or sci-fi.
(unanimated)

Please forgive me if I've missed anyone or anything out.

Also on the depot I have uploaded thumbnails of the first 50 of those (the C:CtP, WW2 ones, Stankarps and mine) but they aren't linked in a page yet. You can access them by FTP in the directory root/sprites/imgs/un# . I think it would be useful to have these indexed anyway, even if they aren't in the first 200.

Queries:
#110: Noted in WesW's list as Rifleman. Which is this?
166: Down as Storm Marine. Surely this is #73?
167: Down as Airborne. Is this the Para Transport plane? This is #54
Why does gl_str.txt say CYBERATTORNEY? Is there actually a CyberAttorney? I can't find one.


Appendix:
Cradle places IW's crossbowman at 188 and a hurricane at 176 and the C:CtP slaver at 190. These are fine.
But Cradle and LOTR also introduce four duplicitous numberings with MedMod standard:
SPRITE_PROPHET 192 #TD's spy - Wes used 151
SPRITE_DROMON 189 #CtP1 longship - Wes used 112
191 - CTP1 Archer # Wes used 120
194 - CTP2 Zulu2 # Wes used 72

At this point, the number of downloads for Cradle and MedMod makes the task of eliminating this impossible. So we've got the four units in there twice. It also means we should - if we had wanted to - put all the C:CtP units in the block ending 191, to swallow up the Longship-Slaver-Archer (Cradle 189-191), with only the Crossbowman as an interruption.
Also, the CATTLE sprite is in there twice, as numbers 1 and 9. This can be removed without difficulty.

For clarity:


#1 SPRITE_CATTLE # Unused
#2 SPRITE_SETTLER
#3 SPRITE_SWORDSMAN # (WARRIOR)
#4 SPRITE_SLAVER
#5 SPRITE_MOUNTED_ARCHER
#6 SPRITE_SAMURAI
#7 SPRITE_CATAMARAN
#8 SPRITE_HOPLITE
#9 SPRITE_CATTLE # Unused
#10 SPRITE_DIPLOMAT
#11 SPRITE_CATAPULT
#12 SPRITE_CLERIC
#13 SPRITE_ARCHER
#14 SPRITE_FIRE_TRIREME
#15 SPRITE_KNIGHT
#16 SPRITE_LONGSHIP
#17 SPRITE_PIKEMEN
#18 SPRITE_WEREWOLF # (MORARU_KYONSHI)
#19 SPRITE_CULVERIN # CtP2 (CANNON)
#20 SPRITE_CAVALRY
#21 SPRITE_SHIP_OF_THE_LINE
#22 SPRITE_INFANTRYMAN
#23 SPRITE_LAWYER
#24 SPRITE_FASCIST
#25 SPRITE_ABOLITIONIST
#26 SPRITE_CARRACK
#27 SPRITE_MACHINE_GUNNER
#28 SPRITE_ANTIAIR # Unused. WW2 scen?
#29 SPRITE_IRONCLAD
#30 SPRITE_TROOP_SHIP
#31 SPRITE_SUBMARINE
#32 SPRITE_STEALTH_FIGHTER
#33 SPRITE_BATTLESHIP
#34 SPRITE_SECRET_AGENT
#35 SPRITE_FIGHTER
#36 SPRITE_AIRCRAFT_CARRIER
#37 SPRITE_URBAN_PLANNER
#38 SPRITE_TANK
#39 SPRITE_MARINE
#40 SPRITE_NUKE
#41 SPRITE_DESTROYER
#42 SPRITE_TELEVANGELIST
#43 SPRITE_CARGO_HELICOPTER
#44 SPRITE_CRUISE_MISSILE
#45 SPRITE_EMPATHIC_DIPLOMAT
#46 SPRITE_INTERCEPTOR
#47 SPRITE_JET_BOMBER
#48 SPRITE_CYBER_NINJA
#49 SPRITE_MOBILE_SAM
#50 SPRITE_CORPORATE_BRANCH
#51 SPRITE_STEALTH_BOMBER
#52 SPRITE_SCOUT_SUB
#53 SPRITE_PARATROOPER
#54 SPRITE_CYBERATTORNEY
#55 SPRITE_SPACE_PLANE
#56 SPRITE_MOBILE_SUBNEURAL_AD
#57 SPRITE_SPY_PLANE
#58 SPRITE_AT_ARTILLERY
#59 SPRITE_SEA_ENGINEER
#60 SPRITE_MOREY_STRIKER
#61 SPRITE_KRAKEN
#62 SPRITE_PLASMA_DESTROYER
#63 SPRITE_DREADNAUGHT
#64 SPRITE_ECO_TERRORIST
#65 SPRITE_HOVER_INFANTRY
#66 #SPRITE_SPACE_ENGINEER
#67 SPRITE_JAVELINEER
#68 SPRITE_INFECTOR
#69 SPRITE_CRAWLER
#70 SPRITE_PLASMATICA
#71 #SPRITE_STAR_CRUISER
#72 SPRITE_ZULU_WARRIOR
#73 SPRITE_HOVER_MARINE
#74 #SPRITE_SPACE_BOMBER
#75 SPRITE_ECO_RANGER
#76 #SPRITE_WORMHOLE_PROBE
#77 SPRITE_LEVIATHON
#78 SPRITE_FUSION_TANK
#79 SPRITE_NUCLEAR_SUBMARINE
#80 SPRITE_PT_BOAT
#81 SPRITE_ELEPHANT # Alex Scen
#82 SPRITE_SELF_PROP_GUN # (ARTILLERY)
#83 #SPRITE_ALEXANDER # Alex Scen
#84 #SPRITE_DARIUS # Alex Scen
#85 #SPRITE_GENERAL # Alex Scen
#86 SPRITE_BANDIT_HORSEMAN # Alex Scen
#87 #SPRITE_CATAMARAN # Alex Scen
#88 SPRITE_HEAVY_SWORDSMAN # Alex Scen
#89 SPRITE_LONGBOWMAN # Alex Scen
#90 SPRITE_CITY
#91 SPRITE_SAMURAI # Samurai Scen
#92 SPRITE_SAMURAI2 # Samurai Scen
#93 SPRITE_SAMURAI3 # Samurai Scen
#94 SPRITE_HORSE_ARCHER # AP: Jim Hair & Harlan Thompson
#95 SPRITE_PRIVATEER # AP: unknown author
#96 SPRITE_MISSILE_CRUISER # AP: Lev
#97 SPRITE_ATTACK_HELICOPTER # AP: Lev
#98 SPRITE_M1_ARTILLERY # Harlan (As numbered by WAW)
#99 SPRITE_M2_ARTILLERY # Harlan (As numbered by WAW)
#100 SPRITE_TANK1_WAW # WW2 French Tank S35 (As numbered by WAW)
#101 SPRITE_TANK2_WAW # WAW Tank: Mark IV
#102 SPRITE_FAIRY_BOMBER # WW2 (British) Fairy Battle Bomber
#103 SPRITE_TANK3_WAW # WAW Tank: Tiger
#104 SPRITE_TANK4_WAW # WAW Tank: Matilda
#105 SPRITE_BF109 # WW2 (German) Bf109
#106 SPRITE_TANK5_WAW # WAW Tank: Sherman
#107 SPRITE_TANK6_WAW # WAW Tank: T34-86
#108 SPRITE_BRITISH_FIGHTER # WW2 Spitfire
#109 SPRITE_DIVE_BOMBER # WW2 Stuka DiveBomber
#110 SPRITE_PILLBOX # WW2 Immobile Unit
#111 SPRITE_SETTLER # C:CtP
#112 SPRITE_LONGSHIP # |
#113 SPRITE_COMBAT_ENGINEER # |
#114 SPRITE_KNIGHT # |
#115 SPRITE_HOWITZER # |
#116 SPRITE_LEGION # |
#117 SPRITE_CANNON # |
#118 SPRITE_WAR_WALKER # |
#119 SPRITE_MUSKETEER # |
#120 SPRITE_BOWMAN # | # And Also UNIT_TANK7_WAW "KV-1"
#121 SPRITE_HOVERTANK # |
#122 SPRITE_SWARM # |
#123 SPRITE_PHALANX # |
#124 SPRITE_WARRIOR # |
#125 SPRITE_TRIREME # C:CtP
#126 SPRITE_MECH1_WAW # World at War (units from Harlan's WW2 Unit Pack)
#127 SPRITE_MECH2_WAW # |
#128 SPRITE_AA_FIELD_WAW # |
#129 SPRITE_AA_CITY_WAW # |
#130 SPRITE_BIPLANE_WAW # |
#131 SPRITE_FIGHTER1_WAW # |
#132 SPRITE_FIGHTER2_WAW # |
#133 SPRITE_FIGHTER3_WAW # |
#134 SPRITE_FIGHTER4_WAW # |
#135 SPRITE_FIGHTER5_WAW # |
#136 SPRITE_FIGHTER6_WAW # |
#137 SPRITE_BOMBER1_WAW # |
#138 SPRITE_BOMBER2_WAW # |
#139 SPRITE_BOMBER3_WAW # |
#140 SPRITE_V1_WAW # |
#141 SPRITE_BATTLECRUISER_WAW # |
#142 SPRITE_CRUISER_WAW # | Harlan's Frigate/Cruiser SAME AS MM2 #198
#143 SPRITE_UBOAT_WAW # |
#144 SPRITE_PTBOAT_WAW # World at War (units from Harlan's WW2 Unit Pack)
#145 SPRITE_TANK # WW2 Scenario Generic Tank
#146 SPRITE_TANK_II # WW2 Scenario German Tank MkII
#147 SPRITE_TANK_III # WW2 Scenario German Tank Mk III
#148 SPRITE_R35 # WW2 Scenario French Tank R35 (S35 @ #100)
#149 SPRITE_EF2000 # Crousto
#150 SPRITE_F22 # Crousto
#151 SPRITE_SPY # Tom Davies (Morgoth)
#152 SPRITE_NOBLE # |
#153 SPRITE_SLINGER # |
#154 SPRITE_LIGHT_CAVALRY # |
#155 SPRITE_HEAVY_CAVALRY # |
#156 SPRITE_CHARIOT # |
#157 SPRITE_BRONZE_SWORDSMAN # |
#158 SPRITE_SPEARMAN # |
#159 SPRITE_FYRDMAN # |
#160 SPRITE_BERSERKER # |
#161 SPRITE_ARQUEBUSIER # |
#162 SPRITE_BOMBARD # |
#163 SPRITE_COG # Tom Davies (Morgoth)
#164 SPRITE_SATELLITE # AP: Lev
#165 SPRITE_MONITOR # Tom Davies (Morgoth)
#166 SPRITE_STORM_MARINE # Unable to Identify
#167 SPRITE_AIRBORNE # Unable to Identify
#168 SPRITE_SEIGE_ENGINE # Stankarp
#169 SPRITE_BALLISTA # Stankarp
#170 SPRITE_HEAVY_CAVALRY # Stankarp
#171 SPRITE_HEAVY_SPEARMAN # Stankarp
#172 SPRITE_CHARIOT_ARCHER # Stankarp
#173 SPRITE_PHALANX # Stankarp
#174 SPRITE_GALLEY # Stankarp
#175 SPRITE_LEGION # Stankarp
#176 SPRITE_HURRICANE # (LOTR) Immortal Wombat
#177 SPRITE_BRITISH_PARA # WW2 Scen
#178 SPRITE_US_PARA # WW2 Scen
#179 SPRITE_GERMAN_PARA # WW2 Scen
#180 SPRITE_BLUE_CATAPULT # Harlan Thompson & Jim Hair
#181 SPRITE_INFANTRY_GERMAN # WW2 Scen
#182 SPRITE_INFANTRY_FRENCH # WW2 Scen
#183 SPRITE_INFANTRY_BELGIAN # WW2 Scen
#184 SPRITE_INFANTRY_DUTCH # WW2 Scen
#185 SPRITE_GENERAL_GREY # WW2 Scen
#186 SPRITE_GENERAL_GREEN # WW2 Scen
#187 SPRITE_GENERAL_BROWN # WW2 Scen (Unused)
#188 SPRITE_CROSSBOWMAN # (Cradle) Immortal Wombat
#189 SPRITE_DROMON # (Cradle) CtP1 Longship cf #112
#190 SPRITE_SWORDSMAN # Caranorn
#191 SPRITE_ARCHER # (Cradle) CtP1 Archer cf #120
#192 SPRITE_PROPHET # (Cradle) Tom Davies' Spy cf #151
#193 SPRITE_CATAPHRACT # Stankarp
#194 SPRITE_ZULU2 # (Cradle) EB Zulu Warrior cf #72
#195 SPRITE_PELTAST # Stankarp
#196 SPRITE_AUXILLARY_LEGION # Stankarp
#197 SPRITE_BELFROI # Jerome Lux
#198 SPRITE_FRIGATE # Harlan Thompson
#199 SPRITE_CARRIER # Harlan Thompson
#200


And finally, unnumbered, but catalogued:

SPRITE_AM_SWORDSMAN # BlueO
SPRITE_AM_ARCHER # |
SPRITE_AM_WARRIOR # |
SPRITE_AM_BOWMAN # |
SPRITE_AM_VALKYRIE # |
SPRITE_AM_SPY # | (SM_MISTRESS)
SPRITE_AM_WINGED # | (BATTLE_ANGEL)
SPRITE_AM_BLUEWARRIOR # | (GUARDIAN_DEFENDER)
SPRITE_AM_ECO?WARRIOR # | (GUARDIAN_PURIFIER)
SPRITE_AM_ROGUE # |
SPRITE_HITECH_ROBOT # | (IMPERIAL_POWER_TROOPER)
SPRITE_WARWALKER # | (WAR_WALKER)
SPRITE_WARWALKER2 # | (VERITECH_FIGHTER)
SPRITE_ZOMBIES # |
SPRITE_ALIEN_AIR # BlueO

[Peter Triggs]

Well done, IW. This should save people a lot of time.

Notes: In the index,

41 Ship of the Line should be Destroyer.

95 (Privateer) and 96 (Missile Cruiser) aren't animated. I've always hoped that someone would do animated versions of these.

IIRC, WesW's 110 Rifleman is the same as the 119 Musketeer, but I have a vague recollection of seeing a different sprite in Wes's CTP1 Mod. If this is wrong, see below.

"166: Down as Storm Marine. Surely this is #73?" It's a CTP1 sprite that's different from #73.


Suggestions:

110: WW2 Pillbox. I'm using it as an immobile unit (not a tile improvement) that you can build in cities to try to counter the tank rush. I've got SLIC that makes them vulnerable to Bombers, Fighters, and especially Cruise Missiles.

I'm also using:

brown marine (BRITISH_PARATROOPER) 120

SPRITE_BLUE_GENERAL 110
SPRITE_BROWN_GENERAL 111
SPRITE_GREEN_GENERAL 113

Any suggestions as to where I should slot these in?

Some of the CTP1 sprites could be useful: cavalry, fascist, ship of the line (it's slightly different from the CTP2 one). I don't have access to CTP1 at the moment so I can't check out the others.

[Immortal Wombat]

Thanks Peter :)

Originally posted by Peter Triggs
41 Ship of the Line should be Destroyer.

95 (Privateer) and 96 (Missile Cruiser) aren't animated. I've always hoped that someone would do animated versions of these.

Copy-paste errors: now corrected.


IIRC, WesW's 110 Rifleman is the same as the 119 Musketeer, but I have a vague recollection of seeing a different sprite in Wes's CTP1 Mod. If this is wrong, see below.

I'll check. :hmmm:


"166: Down as Storm Marine. Surely this is #73?" It's a CTP1 sprite that's different from #73.

I wondered, but I only had the *tgas and CtP1 vidoes at the time, and from different angles it all looks different anyway, and I wasn't sure. But if #166 is the CtP1 sprite, what is #73? There isn't a storm marine unit in CtP2, did they make an updated sprite and then never use it?



Suggestions:
110: WW2 Pillbox. I'm using it as an immobile unit (not a tile improvement)
Added.


I'm also using:
brown marine (BRITISH_PARATROOPER) 120
SPRITE_BLUE_GENERAL 110
SPRITE_BROWN_GENERAL 111
SPRITE_GREEN_GENERAL 113

Any suggestions as to where I should slot these in?

At the moment I'm thinking 141-150 would make a good slot for the rest of the WW2 sprites, but it might depend on whether we choose to remove BlueO's sprites from the list. In terms of general usefulness they come somewhere near the bottom of the list: meven most scenarios are unlikely to be built around BlueO's own private scifi/fantasy world.


Some of the CTP1 sprites could be useful: cavalry, fascist, ship of the line (it's slightly different from the CTP2 one). I don't have access to CTP1 at the moment so I can't check out the others.
Yes. I think this needs polling.

[stankarp]

I have SAP, Cradle, Med Mod and WAW downloaded. I allocated my sprite numbers to ones not used by the above.

They are as follows. Please note the Legion is a re work of the original version and has a plume on his helmet and attacks with the gladius to distinguish him from the auxilliary. The auxilliary is the original legion I did but he attacks with the pilum.

1) heavy spearman-157
2)phalanx-196
3)chariot archer-146
4)heavy cavalry-169
5)galley-187
6)peltast-191
7)legionary-195
8)auxilliary legionary-194
9)cataphract-193

[Immortal Wombat]

Before you finish your mod, would it be possible to request a renumbering to #141-149 or #168-175 (+ #177), to keep them all together and to ensure there is unlikely to be any overlap at all. Some of those numbers are designated sprites already, even though they may not be in use actively, it is probably advisable to keep them as they are. :)

[stankarp]

Shall do.:-)

[Dale]

Don't forget that WAW mod adds onto the sprite list. :)

[Immortal Wombat]

oops.
So that gives us double-assigned #120, and #99-100 (which was my fault, and changes to which don't affect other mods)

And #126-144, which cuts BlueO out completely. Um. Any objections to losing BlueO's sprites from the main list?

[The Big Mc]

Would it be possible to place links on the work in progress to allow people to download them easier.

[Immortal Wombat]

Certainly. I will eventually get around to it, but if anyone else wants to, by all means go ahead. The depot is pretty much open to anyone who can and wants to improve it.

[The Big Mc]

Are you going to put all the ctp1 units on. I know that some look alike but are used in at least my mod to allow you to distinguish between the modded units and the units. :D

[Immortal Wombat]

We'll see how much space there is, and poll the remaining CtP units for the unassigned numbers. Most of them should get in.

[The Big Mc]

it’s a shame we could not set up some kind of mod swapper for lets say 50 unit spaces and let people use them as they like.:D

[Immortal Wombat]

I've updated with WAW included.

Originally posted by stankarp
Shall do.:-)
Which block did you use? I need to know where I can replace the WW2 units to that Dale just ousted :D If you haven't done yet, then 168-175 (+177) would be better I think, so we can keep all the WW2 units together.

[stankarp]

Hi IW,

I havnt done it yet, will use 141-149.

I will be doing about 7 sprites for my Medieval period expansion later this year.

I envisage trebuchet, mameluke, fuedal cavalry, jannissary, paladin, foot knight and a foot raider as well as using the samurai sprite.

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by stankarp
Hi IW,

I havnt done it yet, will use 141-149.

Please don't :) World At War and the spare WW2 sprites are there at the moment.

[stankarp]

Ok, 168 to 175 then.

I have WAW downloaded, are you sure WAW are there?

[Immortal Wombat]

See the List ^ All the sprites ending _WAW are in WAW. The WW2 ones I put there for tidiness.

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat


168-175 (8)
177-179 (3)
181-187 (7)
190 (1)
193 (1)
195 (1)
196 (1)
200 (1)
-----
(23)

27 spaces.


Looks well, Ben. Only programers start to count with zero, so sprite #200 would be rather #000, but same number of empty sprite positions.

Finally Locutus shoould add the sprite list on the modmakers' depot to the CTP2 Apolyton Modification pages. Probably this was the intention of this thread. :D

-Martin

[J Bytheway]

You can't use space 0, it doesn't work - it just uses sprite 1 instead (actually, I only know this for CTP1...).

[The Big Mc]

Anybody tried spr 01 it could just go to spr 1 it may go to spr gu001.spr if so it gives us another 99 spr positions

[Martin Gühmann]

Interesting, all slots I tried bigger 199 endied that I got an error message that sprite GU000.spr was not found or was it GU00.spr, because I have such a unit sprite in my sprite directory with only two digits. If I remember correctly this sprites contains the CTP1 UFO and as I tried it in the game, the game crashed as I moved, unfortunatly I did not take the time to figure out if it was the sprite, the slot or something else. And I don't remember if it was in the GU000.spr or in the GU00.spr format.

Additional I did not find the GU001.spr, so we can reassign this slot, I don't think we will ever have a use for the cattle and as it is a already in so...

For the Good sprites, I have a sprite in my folder called GG000.spr I took it from CTP1's GG00.spr. I know that it appeared in CTP2 as I gave if I remember correctly to the gold filed the value zero or negative values. I remember everything was right and the dummy ressource sprite appeared that I put into the sprite directory.

-Martin

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted by The Big Mc
Anybody tried spr 01 it could just go to spr 1 it may go to spr gu001.spr if so it gives us another 99 spr positions

How should it work, you don't have sprite numbers in newsprites.txt with leading zeros. The idea was that it could work with old SpriteID.txt but it didn't work, I tested it.

-Martin

[Peter Triggs]

So 168-175 are used. How about 181-187 for some more WW2 sprites?

BTW, Happy Birthday Martin!

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted by Peter Triggs
BTW, Happy Birthday Martin!

Thank you very much Peter. :) By the way were are all the other congratulants? :D

-Martin

[Immortal Wombat]

:o Happy Birthday for four days ago Martin! :Party:

[The Big Mc]

dito

[Aias]

Also, Sprite 58 is listed as an Anti-Tank Attillery, when I believe it's the CTP2 War Walker. Sprite 118 is the C:CTP War Walker. Just a request, but could some mod maker (I'm still in remedial SLIC) use the C:CTP War Walker in a mod? I was trying to use it in some CTP2 games and renaming it a 'Mec.' It turned ugly real quick. Still much more for me to learn. If there's to be a Cradle 1.36, I'd like to see it in there.

Thanks!

[The Big Mc]

it is in my mod and i got in in ok :D

[Aias]

Big MC, you're my hero!

Um, I'll stop whining now :cute:

[Peter Triggs]

Stankarp,

Could you attach a copy of your newsprites.txt? I need some spaces and don't want to clash with yours.

Thanks

[The Big Mc]

I will try and send you what I got next time I am on line :D

[Immortal Wombat]

Updated again, added stankarps, and the remaining WW2 scenario units. There are a grand total of 7! yes 7!! spaces left, and I'm not sure what to do: reserve them for future use, or fill 'em with C:CtP sprites. Either way, it's fairly obvious we've hit a limit, and need either some way around it, or an end to all unit-additions (not desirable :D)

Of course, if we make these 200 the standard sprites, then a future modswapper program (J?) could switch in the last several without much difficulty I hope, and would mean minimum excess downloading. Unless I'm confused. Heaven help any new modders trying to cut through this beaurocratic mess.

Anyway...


To assign:
009 (1) (duplicate cow)
187 (1)
190 (1)
193 (1)
195 (1)
196 (1)
200 (1)
-----
(7)


To numerate:

C:CtP: 27 still unassigned
abolitionist, bomber, cavalry, c-branch, cyberninja, crawler, diplomat, drone,
ecoranger, fascist, fighter, fire trireme, infector, lawyer, m-gunner, marine,
mounted archer, phantom, pikeman, pod, sea engineer, slaver, space fighter, spy,
s-bomber, tank, televangelist,

===== WHICH GO WHERE STAN? =====
Stankarp: 10
Heavy Spearman, Phalanx, Peltast, Cataphract, Heavy Cavalry
Galley, War Chariot, Auxilary Legion, Roman Legion, Legion
============================

+ others without hope in hell

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by Aias
Also, Sprite 58 is listed as an Anti-Tank Attillery, when I believe it's the CTP2 War Walker.
Fixed, thanks. :)

[Peter Triggs]

Good grief, IW

Not ten minutes ago, I PM'd Stankarp:


If I use these sprite numbers, will it clash with anything you're doing?


181 brown marine
182 german machine gunner
183 blue general
184 brown general
185 german general
1 ctp1:SHIP_OF_THE_LINE




:) What now?

[Immortal Wombat]

I did it thus:

#177 SPRITE_BRITISH_PARA # WW2 Scen
#178 SPRITE_US_PARA # WW2 Scen
#179 SPRITE_GERMAN_PARA # WW2 Scen

#181 SPRITE_INFANTRY_GERMAN # WW2 Scen
#182 SPRITE_INFANTRY_FRENCH # WW2 Scen
#183 SPRITE_INFANTRY_BELGIAN # WW2 Scen
#184 SPRITE_INFANTRY_DUTCH # WW2 Scen
#185 SPRITE_GENERAL_GREY # WW2 Scen
#186 SPRITE_GENERAL_GREEN # WW2 Scen

Either way is good, its only a web page, text file, post, 6 images I have to alter :)

Could you possibly use #9 instead of #1 for the SotL though? I like having the cattle at the beginning...


edit: I must have missed this Brown General as well. Is he another WW2 unit?

[Peter Triggs]

Yes, originally he was an unused WW2 sprite:


GU111.SPR - brown fascist


I'm using these generals as great leaders (this is Georgi Zhukov) and it's really not a big deal because I'll have to write some code to keep them out of battles and just give them influence. Alexander is fine but most generals didn't do any actual fighting.

[Immortal Wombat]

If you've got a screenshot of it handy, it can go at #187

[stankarp]

Sorry I have been tied up with tax returns and getting ready to move house.

The main changes are.

SPRITE_HEAVY_SWORDSMAN 3
SPRITE_ADVANCED_WARRIOR 150
SPRITE_SCOUT 72
SPRITE_SEIGE_TRAIN 149
SPRITE_BALLISTA 148
SPRITE_HEAVY_CAVALRY 169
SPRITE_SUPPLY_TRAIN 2
SPRITE_HEAVY_SPEARMAN 157
SPRITE_CHARIOT_ARCHER 146
SPRITE_PHALANX 196
SPRITE_CONSCRIPT_SWORDSMAN 145
SPRITE_GALLEY 187
SPRITE_HUN_RAIDER 94
SPRITE_CONSCRIPT_LEGION 83
SPRITE_PELTAST 191
SPRITE_AUXILLIARY_LEGION 194

The new cataphract is 193 so I am not using the black horse archer. The original legion is now conscript legion. 3 and 72 are existing units unchanged. Advanced warrior is Carnerons Civ 3 swordsman. Supply train is the Settler. Conscript swordsman is TD's bronze swordsman. Hun raider is the Apol horse archer.

Can you tell me what numbers you want me to use as there are too many to fit in one gap at the moment I think.

Sorry again for the delay. I tried to post this reply on the forum 10 mins ago but it locked up halfway through the upload

[Immortal Wombat]

SPRITE_CONSCRIPT_SWORDSMAN 157 (TD's swordsman)
SPRITE_SUPPLY_TRAIN 2 (Settler CtP2)
SPRITE_HEAVY_SWORDSMAN 3 (Warrior CtP2)
SPRITE_SCOUT 72 (Zulu Warrior: EB)
SPRITE_HUN_RAIDER 94 (Apol horse archer)


Which leaves your 10 and Carneron's?

Carnerons:
er... what does this look like? Call it 187 for now, I don't know.
SPRITE_ADVANCED_WARRIOR 187

Yours:
Shall we say:
SPRITE_SEIGE_TRAIN 168
SPRITE_BALLISTA 169
SPRITE_HEAVY_CAVALRY 170
SPRITE_HEAVY_SPEARMAN 171
SPRITE_CHARIOT_ARCHER 172
SPRITE_PHALANX 173
SPRITE_GALLEY 174
SPRITE_CONSCRIPT_LEGION 175
SPRITE_PELTAST 195
SPRITE_AUXILLIARY_LEGION 196

Cataraphract 193 <-- this is your sprite as well? or is that the heavy cavalry?

[Peter Triggs]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
If you've got a screenshot of it handy, it can go at #187

OK, I'll get back to you on this in the morning. I've had a busy day and have to hit the sack.

[Immortal Wombat]

okey dokey :b:

[J Bytheway]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
Of course, if we make these 200 the standard sprites, then a future modswapper program (J?) could switch in the last several without much difficulty I hope, and would mean minimum excess downloading.

Modmanager as it stands supports extra sprites with not too much effort on the part of the modder and (hopefully) none for the player.

[The Big Mc]

what else can Modmanager do.:D

[Peter Triggs]

Well, here's what he looks like. There's no tga for him so I had to pluck him out of the game.

[J Bytheway]

Originally posted by The Big Mc
what else can Modmanager do.:D

A variety of useful and interesting things. For details see:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78244

[stankarp]

Hi,

Back on line, could not access this site at all yesterday.

I dont need a number for the Consrcipt Legion as it is the existing legion sprite with a new name. Sprite no stays the same as in cradle.

My advanced warrior is the Civ 3 swordsman as done by Carneron.

The cataphract is a new sprite, separate to the heavy cavalry. Hated using the black horse archer as the cataphract. The cataphract is based on the Civ fanactics (aoe2) cataphract but mine uses the lance:-)))

[Immortal Wombat]

Ah crud. Just found that thread*: that's 6 more sprites to include, and they aren't so bad looking either.

Nothing really I can do now, unless we reshuffle the rest, but I'll get the swordsman/warrior in. (Number 3 on the attachment below)

These are all Caranorn's units (all from Civ3) then:
1. Infantryman
2. Bowman
3. Swordsman
4. Mounted Archer
5. Cavalry
6. Archer

* I say "just", I've actually had this reply box open for about 8 hours now, waiting to be filled.

[Immortal Wombat]

ok, I have images for:

A: ((I thought this was the conscript legion)) (175 if you need)
B: Galley (174)
C: Auxillary Legion (196)
D: Cataphract (193)
E: Peltast (195)
F: Phalanx (173)
G: Heavy Spearman (171)
H: Chariot Archer (172)
I: Conscript Legion? The C:CtP one. (:scared: )
And the Advanced Warrior #3 in above post.


So I need images and/or preferably sprites for
SPRITE_SEIGE_TRAIN 168
SPRITE_BALLISTA 169
SPRITE_HEAVY_CAVALRY 170

[Immortal Wombat]

ok received. I'll stick that lot up. :D

/edit


I dont need a number for the Consrcipt Legion as it is the existing legion sprite with a new name. Sprite no stays the same as in cradle.

Just to confirm, this should be #116 :fingerscrossed:


/edit again
This list now reads:

To assign:
009 (1) (duplicate cow) [C:CtP SotL]
190 (1)
200 (1)
-----
(3)

+ 166 and 167 I'm still confused about.


/edit 3
Caranorn's Warrior at #190, leaving two (or four?) slots remaining.

009
200

[stankarp]

No, sorry, the legion in Cradle was no 83. I changed that to conscript legion in my mod.

[Immortal Wombat]

oh, right. yeah. oops. Cradle Legion. ok. So it's all good.

[The Big Mc]

Does any body know how to get in touch with the writer of flicster I can’t get him on the address I have.

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted by The Big Mc
Does any body know how to get in touch with the writer of flicster I can’t get him on the address I have.

You could check out this thread: UTILITY: FLIC Editor: Change unit graphics (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35741)

If the email address you find there does not work try to PM Moeniir, if it does not work you could try contact him by PM on Civfanatics.

-Martin

[Peter Triggs]

Call To Conquest has 'gone gold': Locutus has the file and it should be in the directory shortly.

But, reviewing it's newsprite.txt, I noticed that I used 183 for the Blue General (when I meant to use 186). :blush:

[The Big Mc]

ok

[Immortal Wombat]

http://ctpmodmakers.250free.com/sprites/index.html

If somebody wants to index Harlan's sprites (WW2 pack, and the 5 other unanimated units), Alper's 39 miscellaneous sprites, the 2 EB sprites and the Activision sprites from CtP and CtP2, be my guest, the rest is mostly done. Although not all the images appear for some reason :confused:

[Immortal Wombat]

Hello and welcome to The Sprite List Saga part III... :D

Since 250free is having some tech problems at the moment, and I'm not too sure it has php anyway, I've moved the whole shebang over to here (http://ermsays.net/sprites/). You'll be pleased to note that I have fashioned a rudimentary search feature on it. But for now it will serve. Currently the CTP200 (or 195 with 4 repeats) is indexed and searchable, with most of the other sprites accessable via the pages for each artist. I plan to put everything else into the database for searching and stuff soon.

If anyone has any suggestions as to how I should pack the remaining sprites on top, please don't hesitate to suggest them, or they'll go all jumbled on top, from 200 to 250 or whatever it is we've hit now.

Also, we have a whole load of repeated names, inaccurate names, double names, and so on. When in doubt, I've put in both names to make searching more useful. And I think what would be useful as well would be a 'category' field for each sprite, so that you can search for all the archers, for instance and get all the archers, even the ones listed under 'Bowman' and 'Peltast', etc. Or civilians, or tanks, and so on. And maybe even by age as well, though I would be unwilling to do that without serious assistance, since my historical knowledge isn't up to it.

So that's about it for the listing of stuff. Who wants to sort out the zips? :p



Happy as I am to host the index page, I'd rather not be hosting the 200MBsworth of sprite files once that gets sorted out. Locutus, can we stick this lot up on Poly?
Also, this is cobbled together with a pretty poor knowledge of php, and if the database moves to Poly, I suspect someone can bung a search page up much like the old files pages had which would do the job far more elegantly.

[Tamerlin]

Great work Immortal Wombat... :b:

Some pictures are not displayed though, if you click on the link leading to the sprites designed by Apolytoners, those designed by The Big Mc, John Wiley, Steve, Geo and one of yours are not displayed... :(

[Ekmek]

Originally posted by Martin Gühmann


You could check out this thread: UTILITY: FLIC Editor: Change unit graphics (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=35741)

If the email address you find there does not work try to PM Moeniir, if it does not work you could try contact him by PM on Civfanatics.

-Martin

I saw Steph at Civ fanatics made a SBB Storyboad build or something. I havent really checked it out, but could it be a start to make FLCs to Sprites?

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by Tamerlin
Some pictures are not displayed though, if you click on the link leading to the sprites designed by Apolytoners, those designed by The Big Mc, John Wiley, Steve, Geo and one of yours are not displayed... :(
<strike>Case sensitivity. Corrected</strike>. Thanks.

:confused: Nope, I've no idea what's causing that. er.

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat

<strike>Case sensitivity. Corrected</strike>. Thanks.

:confused: Nope, I've no idea what's causing that. er.

:)

Though I know you are far more skilled than me in computer science and that there are few chances you learn something from my opinion... come on, Tamerlin you can do it... I think it could be your html code. :blush:

Are your links targetting at the right folder, are the names of the pictures in your links the same as the names of the pictures in your folders or are there errors in the said links? :(

[Tamerlin]

I don't know if this can help you but all the missing pictures lack the [go] feature... :(

[Immortal Wombat]

Yeah, they're the ones which aren't in the first 200. I think I fixed it anyway. Lesson learnt: Don't use '#' in folder names.

[Peter Triggs]

What should we increase k_MAX_SPRITES to?

[Tamerlin]

Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
I think I fixed it anyway...

Yes, you did... :b:

[Immortal Wombat]

Originally posted by Peter Triggs
What should we increase k_MAX_SPRITES to?
Well if it doesn't screw anything else up, then as large as possible. I reckon it currently doesn't need to be more than 300 or so, but if we want to allow for future sprites, 500 should be a realistic upper limit, unless there is a massive upsurge in interest.

[BureauBert]

Ok, I have updated the unit sprites database (http://www.ctp2.info/database/sprites/units/list.shtml). I added all sprites I could find except "personnel" units in the small "civ3"-format (in E's Civ3-Mod and Maquiladora's Red Front Scenario), because they won't fit in so well with the other sprites in any Mod that's not a "pure" Civ3-Mod -- but if significant demand arises, I could add them to the database using the "civ3-guXXX" numbering format (http://www.ctp2.info/database/sprites/cities/civ3african/) I already used for E's Civ3-city sprites.

It was really hard work to find, identify, and compare all the sprites from different sources. So I figured it would be useful for potential modders to create a "database-aligned" sprite collection (http://www.ctp2.info/download/DatabaseAlignedUnitSprites.zip) (ca. 50 MB), i.e. a folder containing all the sprites numbered according to the database. This should make it somewhat easier to select the unit sprites one wishes to use in a mod/scenario. As long as the sprite limit is still in effect it will still be necessary to move sprites above the limit down the list ... but who knows what the SourceCodeProject will bring :expect:.

Of course it would be much cooler being able to use the complete sprite collection without the hassle of renumbering/replacing items :D.

I was unable to find some sprites mentioned by The Immortal Wombat in post #61, namely pos. 1, 4, 5 and 6 from this image:

http://apolyton.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=163153&stc=1&d=1250022814

And I could not create new images -- with white background -- of gu067 (Javlineer) and gu072 (Zulu Warrior) because SpriteEdit threw some "animation block" error when trying to open the sprites.

If anyone knows about (or has) sprites I missed: please share them!

Ah, yes: since I am not an expert in WW2 military equipment (or any military equipment :cute:) I added useful Wikipedia links to most of the sprites (displayed on their respective detail pages under "More information" -- e.g. the Valentine (http://www.ctp2.info/database/sprites/units/land/armoredvehicles/gu376.shtml)).

[Maquiladora]

Wow, great work BB :cool::b:

This reminded me I still need to update the archive of my Eastern Front units in the 'Poly directory. I just fixed the shield position on most of the units.

I've added the updated zip to the WePlayCiv directory (since they let me upload more than 500KB there ;)).

http://www.weplayciv.com/forums/downloads.php?do=file&id=155

Either I can update the 'Poly entry myself, or Martin can download the new zip from WPC and upload it to 'Poly's server himself. (I assume this would be better).

[BureauBert]

Wow

Thank you! :cooool:

added the updated zip to the WePlayCiv directory

Thank you again -- I should probably sign up over there, too.

update the 'Poly entry

:b: I tried to upload the file, but the system wouldn't let me (one should always read the instructions in the first place). It can't be updated btw, because it's brand new and totally innovative :D

[BureauBert]

I just noticed that I misinterpreted the file upload/update section in Maq's post :shifty:.

NM -- there's no urge regarding the complete*) sprite collection as long as there is a download link (http://www.ctp2.info/download/DatabaseAlignedUnitSprites.zip). :D

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*) Not as complete as it should be since pos. 1, 4, 5 and 6 from the above mentioned image are still missing -- it would be great if IW or someone else could post them eventually :).

http://apolyton.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=163153&stc=1&d=1250022814

[Martin Gühmann]

Either I can update the 'Poly entry myself, or Martin can download the new zip from WPC and upload it to 'Poly's server himself.

I hope I have done everything correctly. But now you should be able to correct anything else yourself.

(I assume this would be better).

Well, that was faster.

-Martin

[Maquiladora]

Looks fine, thanks. :b: