Departement for foreign affairs of Neu Demogyptica is opened

[Darekill]

Hello dear Community!

I'm proud to let you all know that our foreign office is now open for all of you!

We record there some Informations of Treaties and Alliances that Neu Demogyptica has signed.

here is our foreign office (http://cylusion.com/neudemogyptica/) .

Please come and visit it. As you can see there, the diplomats of Role Play and Neu Demogyptica have already signed a Non Agression Pact (NAP) which will ensure the peacefull future in our Relations.

Any further Information that is of public concern will be published there. We will inform you here about anything interesting we put there.

Darekill
Governor of Neu Demogyptica

[Tiberius]

We would like to know what is the present <s>Abu Bakr</s> Fritz Demogypt has prepared for Isabella :love: for tomorrow :expect:


Excuse me for the poor quality. It was done in a hurry

[GhengisFarb™]

I suspect there will many postings in this forum, some potential pleas for mercy, etc.

[Tiberius]

Damn, I lost the attachment:

[GhengisFarb™]

Why do neither Fritz or Isabella look very happy in that picture?

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Why do neither Fritz or Isabella look very happy in that picture?
They had a rough night. ;)

And they'll probably have a rougher day. :D

[DeepO]

Nice idea, and well done! :b:

DeepO

[Darekill]

Concerning the national relations i can asure you all that all is well between Isabella and Fritz. But their personal relation is somwhat supervised by their husband and wife who wouldn't be pleased if they got much closer. Maybe that explains their unsatisfied faces?

[Shiber]

Good job ND! Your foreign affairs office page looks beautiful! :b:
I'm sure it will serve you well.

Good luck in the game!

[Jon Shafer]

Since this team seems to love diplomacy, maybe they can explain this?

http://members.lycos.co.uk/tripgot/NDStack.jpg

[Darekill]

This my dear Trip is our response to your diplomacy!

How often did we tell you that you will have to face consequences for your behaviour?

How often did you have a laugh at us, knowing that we couldn't do anything.

Sorry, but this is the result of your own mistakes. By the way we are currently conducting some manouvers on our own Territory......

[Jon Shafer]

And what behavior might that be? Scouting neutral territory with warriors? Moving through a tile or two or yours while scouting south? And you try to make excuses for war? :)

I have many examples of your own hipocracy, numerous instances of you warning us when we even get near your territory, while your scouts lie deep within our lands, blocking our roads and acting as if our territory was yours. And yet, despite this situation, the only ones to ever complain have been ND.

[Darekill]

As far as i know our scouts are all on neutral territory.
Since i move them i should know.
However we are doing what we feel we have to do and we will inform the People her when we do it.
You may see it with different eyes but well we told you what will happen and you never did listen that is not our fault!

[Jon Shafer]

You warned us about moving our scouts in neutral territory. What is different from what you've been doing to us?

[Darekill]

Our scouts are just scouts unable to Attack.
Your scouts are warriors which were capable to haunt a single Settler through the field. They did that and you told us that you were able to kill him.

You were not. But i guess you would have slaughtered the settler if you were able to.

Anotherone of your Scout's was moving right nex to our barely defendet Capitol though we told you that we would not accept that. Thats not what i call neutral treritory!

[Jon Shafer]

Whatever the type of unit, we are in the same situation. You are doing the same to us as we have done to you. Our units are outside your borders, therefore, you should be willing to accept that. You would have warriors near us also, if it weren't for the fact that you were able to build scouts instead. Is there any reason you have kept a unit on our road junction, when we asked you to move it? The location of your units is less neutral than the position of ours, especially since your units are right in the middle of our empire on our road.

We found your settlers long before we told you about it. We could have killed if we wanted to. But we did not, did we?

[Donegeal]

I think the Ice has melted....

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by donegeal
I think the Ice has melted....

:lol: Yep.

[Shiber]

...more like cracked.

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by Shiber
...more like cracked.

:lol: Like in Ice Age - except which team is the crazy pseudo-squirrel like creature? :D

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
I suspect there will many postings in this forum, some potential pleas for mercy, etc.
Check it out, I'm psychic!

[Borc]

the foreign departement page is updated...
All ND people are very sad :(
One of our heroes is dead..

[AroSch]

Sorry. Some Kind of cross post with borc.

[[DG]helios]

He leaves behind his three wifes, his eight children and even two grandchildren. It is such a tragedy... :(

[Arnelos]

:confused:

Explain, please. :(

[Darekill]

Well Luxinvictica has just slain our scout Thor who was having a nap on some crossroads in neutral territory!

Most barbaric!

[Tiberius]

He must have been that brave scout Thor.

May him rest in peace :(

So it's official. WAR!

Edit: Oops, crossposting.

[Hot Mustard]

Originally posted by Darekill
Well Luxinvictica has just slain our scout Thor who was having a nap on some crossroads in neutral territory!


Any idiot who sleeps on a major thoroughfare can only expect to get run over. :cute:

[Arnelos]

[out-of-character]

Oh, the scout that was killed.

Yeah, when you camp a defenseless scout on the crossroads of another civilization's road network blocking their internal trade and freedom of movement, bad things tend to happen to the scout...

Of course, that was quite likely your intent ;)

[/out-of-character]

[Shiber]

Whaaaaaaat? Scout units aren't invincible?
Damn!

[OliverFA]

Originally posted by [DG]helios
He leaves behind his three wifes, his eight children and even two grandchildren. It is such a tragedy... :(

Three wifes? But... but... our Great Priest only allows us to have ONE wife!

Thar's not fair! :mad:

[OliverFA]

Edit: Double post

[Shiber]

Do they allow two posts? :lol:

Seriously though, I am very sorry for your loss. I hope that the future brings good fortune to both ND and Lux.

[GodKing]

No, the Great Priest only allows one wife PER HOUSEHOLD. All you have to do to have more wives is simply have more house's. Simple, no. However, I do pitty the man that has more than one. With all the trouble one can cause, imagine what a Flock of them could do.

[Donegeal]

What on earth are you talking about GK? My wife happens to be very understanding and allows me to have..... Yes Dear! On my way!.... Awe crap! Forget it.

[GhengisFarb™]

It's now OFFICIALLY
LUX Season!

Crud, and we're fighting for free? What kind of mercenaries are we?

[Tiberius]

Some charity doesn't hurt from time to time, even for mercenaries.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Tiberius
Some charity doesn't hurt from time to time, even for mercenaries.
That's it, Community Service.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
It's now OFFICIALLY
LUX Season!

Crud, and we're fighting for free? What kind of mercenaries are we?

Well, there's an anti-climax... :p

The GoW vultures have been visibly circling the Lux Invicta corspe for several days now.

Did anyone seriously not see this coming?

...

Oh, right...

[mrmitchell]

Hey...this isn't the trash talking thread...or did Markos rename the forum "Talk Trash Here!"...?

As for those at war, I feel sorry for you all that you are not enlightened like my alien superiors. What, Nikob? I'm not supposed to say that? Where are you taking me?
















;) :p :)

[Tiberius]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
Hey...this isn't the trash talking thread...or did Markos rename the forum "Talk Trash Here!"...?

In case you didn't notice, we're trash talking wherever we can; except for the Trash Talking thread, that is :p What's the fun in trash talking in a trash talking thread? :confused: :good: :cute:

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Arnelos

Did anyone seriously not see this coming?

I didn't, I seriously did not see Trip breaking a treaty with us when they were already at war against a much larger military.

You're telling me you knew he would do that?

[Theseus]

Screenshots?

(I know that's a seemingly ridiculous request, but really, why not?)

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Theseus
Screenshots?

(I know that's a seemingly ridiculous request, but really, why not?)
Anybody got a problem with us posting the little mini shot of the Sea of Swords at the gates of the city of Regio?

ND showed up with this huge stack of units right next to the Lux city of Regio. Regio immeditiately razed itself and the units moved on to raze the next Lux city. Trip's defiant reply to the Neu Dem forces: "You just keep bringing it! We shall raze all our cities before you! Quick! Disband our Spearmen!"

FACTOID: Trip has razed more Lux cities than all the other civs in the game combined.

Picture of the Neu Demo forces outside Regio, right before the Lux forces burn Regio to the ground (by the way, it took 28 years for Lux to burn their city, the New Dem forces politely waited for them to finish before they attacked).

[Darekill]

:b: :D :D :D :b: looooool !

Our troops were conducting some manouvers on our own territory imagin their surprise when Lux started to demolish their own city!

[alva]

Ahh, so it wasn't just a gesture... ;) :D

[GhengisFarb™]

I would think it is up to Lux and ND to post actual screenshots as they are the only ones there, I have some forwarded shots from them but I don't feel comfortable posting those since they aren't actually from GoW's screen.

[CiverDan]

Maneuvers??...lol..True you were technically in your own territory, but I don't think anyone would consider that a defensive posture...

[Darekill]

Well you know there were so many wolfes in that forest and mushrooms too and so we decided to celebrate a greet the twin city picnick. Little did we know about the weak nerves of the luxian people they showed good nerves when penetrating our country and haunting our settlers so we did not belive that you would run away......

[Zero]

SIgh, I told them not to demolish the city, but I posted in the thread 2 days after they demolished it.. :p

[Zero]

Originally posted by Trip
Since this team seems to love diplomacy, maybe they can explain this?

http://members.lycos.co.uk/tripgot/NDStack.jpg

trip what about the friendly PM we recieved from NDE before we recieved our turn? ;)

By the way we are currently conducting some manouvers on our own Territory......
C'mon its ok.. take a deep breath and say it loud... There's no need to hide behind veil of diplomacy now. People don't send a message of hatred, threat and promise to doom just before conducting a field practice near foreign territory. That's like a woman telling you no but she really means yes... thats damn right confusing and you know it! :D :lol:

(By the way I wasnt referring to sex... really it applies to virtually everything.)

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

I didn't, I seriously did not see Trip breaking a treaty with us when they were already at war against a much larger military.

You're telling me you knew he would do that?

Need I remind you that we are talking about someone clearly devoid of a survival instinct?

It was only a matter of time until the next bubble burst... I was just hoping it would take longer, because I'd like to see Lux Invicta survive this mess :p

[Jon Shafer]

It's an interesting story how GF twisted Lux not giving GoW Mysticism for free into a casus belli. Maybe I'll elaborate sometime. :p

[Panzer32]

Its interesting that Trip twisted the trade that GoW and Lux had agreed upon to Lux giving mysticism to GoW for nothing. Maybe I won't elaborate sometime. :tongue:

[Jon Shafer]

Let's see, you wanted Lux to give you Mysticism in advance for free, then you would give us Math in return for free, correct? Any comment as to where you would have gotten Math from? :hmmm:

[Panzer32]

Any comment as to where you would have gotten Math from?

we have our sources...

actually, I think I am free to tell you, but I'm not 100% sure... GF?

math would have come within 2 or so turns.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Trip
Let's see, you wanted Lux to give you Mysticism in advance for free, then you would give us Math in return for free, correct? Any comment as to where you would have gotten Math from? :hmmm:
Everyone was fully aware of the fact that we were getting Mathematics from ND, ND knew we were trading it to you there was nothing secret about it, both you and ND didn't want to trade with one another and we were serving as the middle man by trading the techs betrween your two civs.

Why you absolutely refused to recieve Mathematics and break the Treaty you PERSONALLY wrote and twisted to your own ends is your business.;)

[Jon Shafer]

If you were actually going to support us in a war against ND, then I fail to see how you would get Math. That is, unless your comment about how "GoW was the only team that was legitimately offering to fight with [Lux]" is false. :p

The treaty which we sent you with certain terms, and you sent back with changes that we never agreed to is another matter. :)

[Panzer32]

[/quote]The treaty which we sent you with certain terms, and you sent back with changes that we never agreed to is another matter[/quote]

umm? Do you mind elaborating?

[Jon Shafer]

We'd written up a treaty to deal with Mysticism/Math and how to deal with trading HBR to RP for Writing. We laid out general terms in the chatroom, then sent an official copy via PM to GoW. GF then sent it back with the word "agreed", despite the fact that he had changed the document. We never replied, agreeing to this altered document, meaning there was no binding agreement. Despite how much GF might argue that we tried to 'trick GoW' or to 'twist things in favor of Lux', there is no substance to his comments... As I've said though, I have to give credit to him for doing a good job of inventing a reason to go to war. :)

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Panzer32
The treaty which we sent you with certain terms, and you sent back with changes that we never agreed to is another matter

umm? Do you mind elaborating?
We agreed to a simple treaty in chat, Trip wrote all kinds of clauses and reworded all of the passages so it did the exact opposite of what the two teams agreed to in chat.

We simply eliminated the built in loopholes and tricks that Trip had built in and agreed to it, Lux was so impressed with their own supposed cleverness they never bothered to see that we had corrected it.:D

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
We agreed to a simple treaty in chat, Trip wrote all kinds of clauses and reworded all of the passages so it did the exact opposite of what the two teams agreed to in chat.
Are you referring to the one clause that said we could trade HBR to RP for Writing if you didn't? :hmmm:

We simply eliminated the built in loopholes and tricks that Trip had built in and agreed to it, Lux was so impressed with their own supposed cleverness they never bothered to see that we had corrected it.:D
You deleted one line and assumed there was a consensus. Shame on you. :nono:

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Trip
You deleted one line and assumed there was a consensus. Shame on you. :nono:
We didn't assume anything, both you and BFM pm'd us later to confirm that the treaty was valid.

You've been so busy trying to plot and counterplot that you don't even remember which plot was which.:lol: ROFLMAO

Not that it's all that important now, you've successfully irritated all the civs that you shared borders with to the point that their marching on your cities to watch you sack them yourself.

[Jon Shafer]

I doubt I'm the only one tired of hearing such repetitive drivel. :rolleyes:

No matter, we will see who has the last laugh soon enough...

[Hot_Enamel]

more....More.....MORE !!!!!

Congratulations on successfully hijacking the ND Foreign Affairs thread

:D :D :D

[Arnelos]

All this argument over whether or not you cheated your treaties is somewhat irrelevant. I seriously doubt that treaties between your two teams were ever based upon trust between the two of you in the first place :p (if they were, that was a SERIOUS error in judgement, now wasn't it :p ).

From the look of it, both parties entered into these agreements believing the other side was trying to screw them over (and likely were right)... given that you both already fully understood this, why would the act of them actually screwing you over be surprising?

Afterall, you were expecting that to happen all along...

[jordie]

lol

Oh man this is good stuff.

GOW may think this is all pretty funny, but wait till they see what is hidden up our large sleeve. Mwhahaha.


Whoops, I didn't say anything....

[Hot_Enamel]

A veteren warrior instead of a regular one ???

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Arnelos
Afterall, you were expecting that to happen all along...
True, but we didn't expect them to screw us over when it wasn't in their interests to do so........

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb

True, but we didn't expect them to screw us over when it wasn't in their interests to do so........

Neither did other people. It all depends on different people's skewed sense of "self-interest".

[Zero]

it doesnt matter if GoW invented a stupid reason to goto war. It is stupid and is so hypocritical, but i think everyone can see that. All it matters is that it was advantageous and opportunitic chance for them to declare a war with us if they wanted to and kudos for them doing so.

but stop attaching reasons that dont make sense. It makes you guys look idiotic and smart(?) at the same time. :D

[ZargonX]

Well, making up reasons to go to war is kind of a tenet of the world, as current global situations can attest to...

Besides, if we wait a few centuries in game, someone will come up with the UN to come back and settle this dispute! :D

[Thrumble]

Originally posted by Calc II
it doesnt matter if GoW invented a stupid reason to goto war. It is stupid and is so hypocritical, but i think everyone can see that. All it matters is that it was advantageous and opportunitic chance for them to declare a war with us if they wanted to and kudos for them doing so.

but stop attaching reasons that dont make sense. It makes you guys look idiotic and smart(?) at the same time. :D
Explain the "hypocritical" part to me. While it was a lame excuse to go to war it did provide them an excuse as opposed to simply declaring war. Not much better, but it does follow the philosophy of the RL United States.

As a neutral party in this fight, I don't see why Lux members are all so keen on blaming everyone else for their situation, it seems to be one that was mostly your own making.;)

[Jon Shafer]

Hypocritical because we had a NAP with them, while they declare war on us for breaking a non-existent treaty. :)

Let me guess: And your cozy little spot on the southern part of the continent all by yourself was a situation of your own making as well, I assume? ;)

[DeepO]

Originally posted by Thrumble
Explain the "hypocritical" part to me. While it was a lame excuse to go to war it did provide them an excuse as opposed to simply declaring war. Not much better, but it does follow the philosophy of the RL United States.
OT (for which I'm sorry, as this is a fine thread), but why do you think most other countries find US foreign policy hypocritical? Any excuse is good to go to war, and we can have all the weapons we won't but nobody else should think of getting less then 1% of our capacity or we feel threatened, and must declare war. Oh, wait, let's find ourselves a lame excuse first, so we can at least keep part of our own populace ignorant.

As to the discussion that has been spread out over 'poly on the deals, breaking deals, and the results from this all: it is very interesting, and no matter what the consequences are going to be to parties involved, please keep discussing where you think it went wrong. The rest of us can learn a great deal about this, certainly when it comes to avoiding getting into such a mess.

BTW, 'Where it went wrong' was not intended as 'who is to blame'. This is only superficial... the reasons are deeper then personal grudges.

DeepO

[lmtoops]

I suppose one lesson to gleam from these unfortunate turn of events is that HUMANS do not follow the rules like the AI. Very elementary, but that is what it comes down to. Always have a back-up plan, and defense is most important.

True, Legoland has been blessed to have it's own landmass. But we did not know that for many turns. With that in mind, we always had a defensive plan.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Trip
Hypocritical because we had a NAP with them, while they declare war on us for breaking a non-existent treaty. :)

Interesting that you consider the NAP treaty that expired before we declared war "valid" but the treaty you wrote and both teams agreed to "non-existent".

Curious how it wasn't "not-existent" when you reminded us it was still in effect a few turns before this. :rolleyes:

[[DG]helios]

hmm,

i thougt this is the thread of Neu Demogytica and not of the Chinese or the Ottomans.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by [DG]helios
hmm,

i thougt this is the thread of Neu Demogytica and not of the Chinese or the Ottomans.

Well... Neu Dem started a thread for "diplomacy" and so GoW and Lux Invicta decided to join in. I would exactly call anything being discussed here of late as "diplomacy", but different people have different definitions for that word ;) :p

[ZargonX]

I think if ND wants control of this thread back, they're going to have to take it by force. (joke incoming in 3... 2... 1...) Though, I guess Lux could try to raze it before they get here... (rim-shot and exit stage left...)

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by [DG]helios
hmm,

i thougt this is the thread of Neu Demogytica and not of the Chinese or the Ottomans.
Fell free to take over our thread.:D

It seems that ANY thread that can stay at the top of the threads list tends to get posted in frequently, simple because people read it to see the latest post in this forum. If a thread fall towards the bottom it doesn't recieve as many posts.

[mrmitchell]

Where did ND go? No official talk in the thread. :hmmm:

BTW, GF, Trip, do you want any cheese with that whine?

[Darekill]

We are still alive and be sure we do post something when there is something to say like that we are still alive and that we would do post something when there was something to say like........:p

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by mrmitchell
Where did ND go? No official talk in the thread. :hmmm:

BTW, GF, Trip, do you want any cheese with that whine?
We have LOTS of Wine, I'm not sure what good a Cheese resource would do us though.

[Jon Shafer]

You could feed that weird cat thing with it. :p

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Trip
You could feed that weird cat thing with it. :p
Do cats like cheese? Maybe I could try to entice a very large mouse to feed the cat with..........

[Jon Shafer]

Yes, indeed. Big mice are good...

[Darekill]

Well i consider the War between ND and Lux victim has ended. Not quite as i thought it would end but at least the agressor is gone and the World can live in Peace. A real good end for a menace that will be remembered in the Neu Demogyptian history as the Swordsmenpicnicaffair.

[ZargonX]

Well, as a not a single blow was landed, can you really consider either side the agressor?

[Shiber]

Lux killed a Demogyptican scout.

[Darekill]

Well Lux victim invaded our country, killed a Scout, dented severall Swordsman and declared War on us. I'd say that was sort of an aggression!

[ZargonX]

Well Lux victim invaded our country, killed a Scout, dented severall Swordsman and declared War on us. I'd say that was sort of an aggression!

Ah, well, that would do it, then.

[ixnay]

Maybe if a certain team didn't use our scouting as an excuse to be provoked and build up a force that was inevitably going to attack us...

[Darekill]

Maybe if a certain Team would have headed our intensiv warnings not to cross our country.....

[Tiberius]

This is why we shouldn't let Lux members join other teams immediately. They will carry their resentments in the new teams, building new tensions and conflicts, even if not voluntarily.

A cool off period would have been necessary ...

[Arnelos]

Boy... Darekill would sure love to read the discussion in the Apolyton ISDG forum about this subject, wouldn't he? :cute:

Trust me...

Poor Lux has been getting enough of a lashing on this and several related topics from the rest of us... there's no more need for continued lashing from you guys...

I think they've been duly humbled enough :p

[Darekill]

I wont bash Lux anymore. But well i had to answer. I just couldn't help it but answer to the posts.

But that is history now and i wont bring it up anymore.

[[DG]mav_son]

There has never taken place a war between Lux and ND! This is a lie!!

[Darekill]

Official Declaration of War at Vox Controlli

I'm sorry to tell the community that i have no other choice but to declare war on Vox Controlli

We have warned them in many ways not to settle on our continent borconia. We thought we would have come to an agreement at this point. We were very surprised and upset to see that Vox have foundet West Wittlich on borconia though they told us two days ago they would not do this.

We are no fools and we do what we say. If we say we will not attack we will not attack. If we say we give you a tech you get that tech. We are honest.

We told you we would declare war if you settle on borconia. You did it, we do it!

[Admiral PJ]

It looks like NDE are a warmongering civ, if they don't get their way they attack you.
We at Lux tried to communicate with you NDE, but you wouldn't be reasonable.

I would not be biased and want to go to war with NDE when i join another team, most of us like to play the game realistically, in a new team I would be doing what is best for the new civilisation team.. it is only a game I am not that worried that Lux was beaten.

It would be nice to join another team soon, I have good millitary and strategic planning skills.

Maybe all lux invicta should join NDE :lol:
then we cannot be against NDE, unless we attack you from the inside

AdmiralPJ,
Ex Lux Invicta foreign minister (i still need more training as a forieng minister hehe)

[Darekill]

We are Warmongers?

Well look at it we live since the start of the game quite peaceful with our neighbors to the south and the north.

Ask them wether or not they ever feelt threatened by ND.

Your team showed some very strange behaviour concerning things like accepting cultural borders or even just listen to warnings that were spoken out in a very clear voice. The same aplies to Vox right now.

If it is that what you call a warmonger well then you are right then we are warmongers. We do what we say. If we say that we will keep peace we keep it if we say we go to war over some issue we do that too.

Neu Demogyptica is not a nation to fool around with we will allways do what we feel is in the best interest of our nation. We'd like to have peace all the way but if need be we go to war!

[MrWhereItsAt]

In ND's defence, ESPECIALLY for any Vox citizens who read this, Vox's incursion onto the land of Bob was condemned by ALL of the civs there, and we requested that you leave as a demonstration of good faith. This was ignored, and in fact Vox further defied International will by building a city.

As nations that were faced with an external threat, four on the same continent made the place seem very small. It is small wonder that someone has declared war.

Vox, please look at your handling of this matter. If you wished to stay at peace then invading a land full of nations was clearly the wrong way to go about it. Whatever your beliefs, the very reactions from ND, GoW and RP should be enough to convince you that we take this very seriously.

[Beta]

Originally posted by Darekill

Your team showed some very strange behaviour concerning things like accepting cultural borders or even just listen to warnings that were spoken out in a very clear voice. The same aplies to Vox right now.



As life is cooling off right now, I hate to crank up the heat again - but, we never even came close to anyone's cultural borders, and your warnings to stay off a continent that clearly has more than enough space - in deed the original game started 4 civs on that continent - are more based on greed than any snese of fairness or entitlement.

[MrWhereItsAt]

So do you need the land? If so then surely asking before all this happened would have been the best course of action, in hindsight? We are not unreasonable, and cooperation is the best way to go for us all right now. Doesn't it say something to Vox that 3 teams with opposing agends have come together on this issue?

[Hot_Enamel]

Originally posted by BetaHound
As life is cooling off right now, I hate to crank up the heat again - but, we never even came close to anyone's cultural borders, and your warnings to stay off a continent that clearly has more than enough space - in deed the original game started 4 civs on that continent - are more based on greed than any snese of fairness or entitlement.

Are you saying the the game fairly distributed land then ?

That Bob should have 4 civs ?
That Not Bob should only contain 1 civ (Lego) ?

The game distributed the teams unevenly. Just because Bob started with 4, doesn't mean it can support 4.

[nbarclay]

[Deleted due to duplication]

[[DG]mav_son]

Originally posted by nbarclay


Can you folks honestly say that Vox would have been allowed to settle if they had asked first? Or would their asking just have created a situation where you would be saying, "We told you not to settle here," even louder than you are now?

Nor do I see much merit in the "three teams have come together" argument. Yes, it means something in terms of ability to project military force, but the fact that three civs band together due to a mutual self-interest in avoiding competition for land conveys no special moral authority that I can see.

OK, we "invade" Your continent with all our settlers!! :naughty: :lol:

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
So do you need the land? If so then surely asking before all this happened would have been the best course of action, in hindsight? We are not unreasonable, and cooperation is the best way to go for us all right now. Doesn't it say something to Vox that 3 teams with opposing agends have come together on this issue?

Can you folks honestly say that Vox would have been allowed to settle if they had asked first? Or would their asking just have created a situation where you would be saying, "We told you not to settle here," even louder than you are now?

Nor do I see much merit in the "three teams have come together" argument. Yes, it means something in terms of ability to project military force, but the fact that three civs band together due to a mutual self-interest in avoiding competition for land conveys no special moral authority that I can see.

Regarding the fairness of land distribution (as brought up by Hot_Enamel), a lot depends on the size of the continents involved. Do you have any reason to think Bob isn't at least one and a half times the size of Estonia, considering that four civs started there and only two here?

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by [DG]mav_son

OK, we "invade" Your continent with all our settlers!! :naughty: :lol:

Can you make a case that you're just settling the best, lowest-corruption land available to you? I didn't think so.

[Aeson]

The game distributed the teams unevenly. Just because Bob started with 4, doesn't mean it can support 4.

Yah... 5 isn't 4. ;)

We should consult F11... I'm betting Vox is dead last in land area, aside from Lux of course! I haven't seen Vox's land, but I can tell enough to know they got screwed by the RNG putting those straights there.

BOB is well endowed with land... Not all 'continents' are created equal. Maybe a BOB civ would care to trade homelands with Vox? :LOL:

[Beta]

Thank-you for your arguments Nathan. Your Voxian neighbours appreciate the moral and intellectual support. But it is now a moot point - and agreement has been reached - the city 'sold' - and all but one of our troops have left the continent, and he will do so next turn.

[Thrumble]

Originally posted by Aeson
BOB is well endowed... Not all 'continents' are created equal. LOL:
True, as are its inhabitants......

[Aeson]

I can quote things out of context too! ;)

Originally posted by Aeson
BOB is well endowed...

Originally posted by Thrumble
as

Originally posted by Thrumble
its

Originally posted by Thrumble
inhabitants

Originally posted by Thrumble
are

Originally posted by Thrumble
......

BOB is well endowed... as it's inhabitants are...

What makes something well endowed again? :cute:

[HarryH]

We should consult F11... I'm betting Vox is dead last in land area, aside from Lux of course! I haven't seen Vox's land, but I can tell enough to know they got screwed by the RNG putting those straights there.

We are. That city was right on the edge of our border and relatively close to our capital. A natural place to expand.

[Darekill]

The city that is called Port isolation is on a Land that is claimed by Neu Demogyptica. What is GoW going to do about it. Ever considered in donating it to us? We are not amused.

[Wittlich]

Darekill - How I just LOVE ND diplomacy: You ask (nay, DEMAND) the moon and offer nothing in exchange. :shame:

Just for "grins and giggles," what would ND offer GoW for this key peace of real estate? Hmmm?

[Darekill]

Did i ever say i'd be a diplomat? I must have been mistaken. I'm not. What we offer is friendship and something the world does not necesarily need to know ;)

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Thrumble

True, as are its inhabitants......
Must be something in the water.

Originally posted by Darekill
The city that is called Port isolation is on a Land that is claimed by Neu Demogyptica. What is GoW going to do about it. Ever considered in donating it to us? We are not amused.
The city is being disbanded in order to remove it from ND's rightful territory, However since we are in a Despotism we only have the Pop Rush available to rush build projects and it is currently a size one city.

[DeepO]

I just checked the foreign office that started this thread, and couldn't help but notice it is terribly out of date. The war with Vox hasn't been mentioned, and I wonder who you had public NAPs with... Is the information on it still accurate? Has this page stopped to be supported? I liked the idea, and am sorry to see it go...

DeepO

[[DG]mav_son]

Short Public Announcement:

Governeur Darekill resigned the last weekend and mav_son is the new elected Governeur of Neu Demogyptica.

[mjmacy]

I hope you are a little more reasonable than Darekill

[[DG]mav_son]

Originally posted by mjmacy
I hope you are a little more reasonable than Darekill

Don't offend our teammembers or You get some mail from our laywers... ;)

By the way:
Darekill is in ND a respected man and counted to the pigeon-fraction..... :D

[Darekill]

Declaration of War

With deep regrets i must tell the people of Spain that from this turn on the Republic of Neu Demogyptica and the Monarchy of Spain are in a state of War.

There will be no cheap excuse for this. Very early in our history we were trying hard to find a satisfactioning bordersolution for both nations. Spain did not listen to us. Just like Lux Invictica they didn't care about our wishes and tried to have it their way. This was the reason we were looking to solve the Problem in our way.

I'm well aware that this war will be a long and a hard one but it has to be.

Darekill Consul of Neu Demogyptica

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by Darekill
Very early in our history we were trying hard to find a satisfactioning bordersolution for both nations. Spain did not listen to us. Just like Lux Invictica they didn't care about our wishes and tried to have it their way. This was the reason we were looking to solve the Problem in our way.

Border solution didn't suit you?

Alright, you can have Austria and the Sudetenland if you just take it all back :p

[Darekill]

@Ruby maser.
I might be a little bit sensitive but this is a very bad joke you know?

Will it suffice to say that my grandpa was in a concentration camp and he was not one of the guards?

[BigFree]

Sorry to hear that Darekill; Ruby certainly didn't know that and was only trying to poke fun.

I hope no human ever has to go through those kind of times again.

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by Darekill
I might be a little bit sensitive but this is a very bad joke you know?

I find your pretext ironic, no more, no less.

I find the suffering of that war, as that of all wars, deplorable... even the digital kind ;) It is, perhaps, ironic again that you do not share that view with me. :p

So, don't be too sensitive about it. I meant no irreverance to those brave souls, living and dead, who fought to defeat that man.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by ruby_maser

I find your pretext ironic, no more, no less.

I find the suffering of that war, as that of all wars, deplorable... even the digital kind ;) It is, perhaps, ironic again that you do not share that view with me. :p



what's deplorable is that even dare to compare it...even as a joke.

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by Master Zen
what's deplorable is that even dare to compare it...even as a joke.

Don't worry, MZ. I'll be sure to lump you in there with them if you should attack as well.

:rolleyes:

[asleepathewheel]

And the tasteless comment of the game award goes to..........

ruby_maser for his comparisons of ND to that of Hitler. Congratulations. :b:

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by asleepathewheel
And the tasteless comment of the game award goes to..........
ruby_maser for his comparisons of ND to that of Hitler. Congratulations. :b:

*takes a bow*

I won't abide you over-sensitivity anymore than you will my apparent lack thereof.

[Darekill]

Of course my Declaration of war was and was meant to be ironic.
This is a game after all and not even a single bit feels hurt if we press the enter key to atack a city in this game. There is a difference between reality and fantasy.
In real life i despise war and i don't like violence. In the game i have no shame to say that i do terrible things. I just can keep the one thing well seperatet from the other.

This is all i want to say about it. Now let's have fun and play this war. ;)

[asleepathewheel]

Originally posted by ruby_maser


*takes a bow*

I won't abide you over-sensitivity anymore than you will my apparent lack thereof.

Good for you. My guess is that you won't be abiding anything with regards to this game in the near future, as long as you keep up with that kind of rhetoric.

[BigFree]

I agree, this is just a game, lets have fun. :dance:

Keep open flames away from the Forum, it may cause spontaneous unhappiness throughout the game. ;)

[Borc]

This will be a war of fame! Our hearts feel the fever of the jungle and our eyes see the sun of the spanish south. Roleplay is a big civilization and they deserve our respect... We will fight them but we also will treat them as men of honor. chapeau!

[BigFree]

As so shall we treat the honorable Arabian Civilization! Truth, Valor and Dignity above all else.

[History Guy]

Don Iago Calamari, Lord Toledo, notes with sadness the betrayal of his old friend Picahulu...

Spain has always been honorable to Arabia and has made honorable deals with them. Unlike the accursed Turks, we never threatened them once.

We did care about their wishes. When did we hold back in trading fairly and honestly with them?

Why have they then attacked us? Have they no honor?

But so it is these days. Men have lost honor. Spain is unblemished, but this act of betrayal will scar Arabia for all time to come, I fear. May they see reason, and withdraw from this hasty conflict!

Ah well. At least our old allies in China will not desert us, they having an MPP with us, after all. With war on two fronts, Arabia will crumble like a raspberry pastry!

Darekill, can I borrow some Ansar mercenaries for some jobs I need to do in Toledo? After all, I want to corner the squid trade, and I might be willing to give you a tenth of the share...eh? Whadda ya say, buddy? Huh? Huh?

Lord Toledo

[mrmitchell]

Don Iago, the only real competition left in the Squid trade is...er...me! But I trust you mean getting rid of those cheap black-market Squid that are hurting our honest Squid businesses. (I hope.)

Spamish Mitchell

[History Guy]

Yes...ummm...I mean, No! I mean...ummm...yes...but no! I mean...it's...ummmm... Not what it seems!! Really!

[Borc]

if you wanna see all of us face to face --> http://cylusion.com/neudemogyptica/

[notyoueither]

That is great, Borc.

[asleepathewheel]

Nice borc. You are a hairy folk, eh? A beard on all y'all. :b:

[Tiberius]

Now that picture explains it all. So the hairy lady from GoW is a ND spy after all, ehh ? ;)
What's her name? Mata Hairy?

[Beta]

Excellent stuff Borc! Looks like quite an aged and austere bunch of folks.:lol:

[Darekill]

Just for the files.
We have only declared war on spain here in the public so far. Our troops have crossed the borders and are ready to begin the war next turn. This is the last chance for Roleplay to surrender. This must be a surrender without conditions we will tell you what we want and you will obey. If you do not capitulate the war will start.

[BigFree]

Let's meet in chat and we can "talk" about these demands of yours. RP has always been a peaceful Civ. We welcome avenues that allow for peace within reason.

[Darekill]

I don't think we need a chat. Just gift all your citys to us stack your workers on the roads, disband all your military and leave your capitol undefended so we can march in. If you do this we might let you escape with a settler in a Galley to wherever you want to go.

Hmm... i doubt that you accept that terms but if you do there will be no war .

[Hot_Enamel]

Yep... sounds reasonable

If it happens, GoW will probably also cease their attack

:D

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Darekill
I don't think we need a chat. Just gift all your citys to us stack your workers on the roads, disband all your military and leave your capitol undefended so we can march in. If you do this we might let you escape with a settler in a Galley to wherever you want to go.

Hmm... i doubt that you accept that terms but if you do there will be no war .

just an FYI: Don't expect all of your battles to be exact repeats of the Lux War ;)

It's possible you might actually lose a unit or two this time... horror of horrors :eek:

[Darekill]

Fine the Luxwar was no war after all and so we expect to loose some troops. We even know that we might loose the war. That can happen.

[BigFree]

How did you learn about the ICBM we popped from a goody hut?

That throws our whole plan off now. :mad:

You all know about GS'es Chickens; what you don't know is how viscious our attack squid can be! :D

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Darekill
Fine the Luxwar was no war after all ...
We call it the Great Chase to the sea......

[Darekill]

The Battle has started.
Yesterday our troops have made the first assault against Spain. In a first fast attack our superior Armys broken through the weak spanish defenses and have defeated the brave defenders of Leon.
General Zayxus and Generalfieldmashall Consul Zerialienguru are looking ahead with good hope for the next actions the spanisch are not as tough as we thought they said but ther is sure a lot more resistance in the next actions we want to take. "Maybe they still thought that we would only joke but this is a bloody jihad" said General Zayxus.

A courios event lead to the seizure of the city of Santiago in a very curious accident this city must have switched it's nationality. It was to late to stopp our troops then they were already on the way as we found out about this.

No one in Neu Demogyptica can understand what happend there because Gathering Storm was always deemed to be a friend to Neu Demogyptica.

[Darekill]

The Battlesong:

Just a little warsong that our brave Ansar sing.


We rode in the morning,
Arnablanca to the west.
from the Dreizack Jungle outskirts leading down to old Leon.
For Mohammed and Borconia
We had taken up our swords
For the ashes of our fathers and the children of our sons.
For the ashes of our fathers and the children of our sons.

In the dry winds of summer
We were sharpening the blades.
We were riding to act upon the promise we had made.
With the fist and the dagger,
with the Spikeball on a chain,
We will suffer no intrusion from the infidels of Spain.
We will suffer no intrusion from the infidels of Spain.

We could wait no more,
In the burning sands on the ride to old Leon.
Like the dogs of war,
For the future of this land on the ride to old Leon.

Though they were waiting,
And they were fifty to our ten,
They were easily outnumbered by a smaller force of men.
As the darkness was falling
They were soon to realize,
We were going to relive upon their godforsaken lives.
We were going to relive upon their godforsaken lives.

We could wait no more,
In the burning sands on the ride to old Leon.
Like the dogs of war,
For the future of this land on the ride to old Leon.

We rode in the morning,
Arnablanca to the west.
from the Dreizack Jungle outskirts leading down to old Leon.
For Mohammed and Borconia
We had taken up our swords,
For the edges of our fathers and the children of our sons.
For the edges of our fathers and the children of our sons.


to be sung to the melody of the song: "The Ride To Agadir" by Mike Batt.

[History Guy]

A pretty song.

We heard it this morning when we rode over that stack of infantry and pikemen, who were belting it out as loud as they could. But, I must tell you, our war anthem drowned even those loud voices out.

[GhengisFarb™]

Okay, that's it.... Less songs........ More fighting....

[History Guy]

Well, we did some of that too. However, the Arabs had such trouble holding their song books and marching at the same time that they never saw us coming!

[Darekill]

Oh boy!
I congratulate you on defeating some of our decoy troops.

It was mostly Veterans of the Lux Wars that were willing to go to battle one last time and to die in honour before their life ends without beeing able to fight. They felt dishonoured by the Luxians who avoided fighting at all. Nevertheless those guys must have come to age and were probably no match for your well trained regular troops.

We tried to hold them back and stand in the second row becaus we knew something like that could happen but they were so eager to go to war we could not hold them back. At least they are in paradise now because they fought and died proud and in a wariors way. Mind you, however many ND-Warriors you might slay there will be two comming up behind them to avenge them.

Just you wait when our Ansar-warriors do the job. there wont be no holding up songbooks this time.

[BigFree]

Just you send them Prancing Ponies our way, we'll teach them how to sing! :evil:

[History Guy]

Eeeeee-heeeee-heeee. You can say that again, Big Free.

Watch this Arab sing! (pokes Arab prisoner with hot iron poker)

"Jubilate! Jubilaaaate! Jubliate Domino! Jubilaaaa-aaaate! Jubilaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-aaaaaaa-aaaaaate! Jubilate Domino!"

What did I tell you?

Dr. Pinch, the thumb-screw and hot iron poker salesman

[Darekill]

I would not laugh to loud if i were you....

[Shiber]

Afraid he'd wake the sleeping chicken?

[GodKing]

But it is so hard not to laugh when we have been directing you forces advance for so long, and you keep going and doing exactly like we predict... so sing that song as it pleases you, for it will make the lovely trap we have made oh so much sweeter.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by GodKing
But it is so hard not to laugh when we have been directing you forces advance for so long, and you keep going and doing exactly like we predict... so sing that song as it pleases you, for it will make the lovely trap we have made oh so much sweeter.
Really? So it is part of your grand scheme to give up all those large cities to GS and ND just to direct us where you want us?
:lol:

[Shiber]

They're not large. They're magnitudally-challenged. :p

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by GodKing
But it is so hard not to laugh when we have been directing you forces advance for so long, and you keep going and doing exactly like we predict... so sing that song as it pleases you, for it will make the lovely trap we have made oh so much sweeter.

Rule #1 of traps: when you announce you are luring someone into a trap it's because there really isn't a trap to begin with and just want the enemy to assume there's a trap to slow him down or make him more cautious...

[Shiber]

...or because you're a terrible tactician. ;)

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Shiber
...or because you're a terrible tactician. ;)
:b:

I'm going with option 2. He wasn't tactical enough to keep his head on his shoulders was he?

[nbarclay]

Originally posted by Master Zen


Rule #1 of traps: when you announce you are luring someone into a trap it's because there really isn't a trap to begin with and just want the enemy to assume there's a trap to slow him down or make him more cautious...

Rule #2 of traps: when trying to trap someone who knows Rule #1, tell him there's a trap so he'll expect there not to really be one. :)

[Panzer32]

:dizzy:

[Shiber]

And Rule #3, Rule #4 and so on... :lol: reminds me of a scene from Princess Bride. :lol:

[DAVOUT]

This simple thing becomes just slightly more complex when a roleplayer roleplays rule #1. ;)

[Shiber]

Did you say... role-playing role #1? No, it's Rule #1 of Role-Playing, isn't it?
:dizzy:
What was the first rule of rule-playing again?

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by nbarclay


Rule #2 of traps: when trying to trap someone who knows Rule #1, tell him there's a trap so he'll expect there not to really be one. :)

that's the counter-counter-bluff-trap :p

I guess there really isn't a way to predict the mind of your enemy... especially if that mind is detached from the body... ;)

[Shiber]

I don't know about Godking, but I keep my mind safe in my ass.

[Shiber]

So now I'm a pirate dog that keeps his brain stuck in his butt.
Hell. That's more role-play than any member of RP has done, I'm sure.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Shiber
Did you say... role-playing role #1? No, it's Rule #1 of Role-Playing, isn't it?
:dizzy:
What was the first rule of rule-playing again?

The first rule of role-playing (and only binding rule by the way) is :

No rule can limit the artistic expression of a role-player in action.

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Shiber
So now I'm a pirate dog that keeps his brain stuck in his butt.
Hell. That's more role-play than any member of RP has done, I'm sure.
Ivory tusks on a stick! Get your Ivory tusks on a stick!

Come one, come all to the most idiotic show on Bob! See the Roleplaying Bobian Circus!

Step right up and view the grosteque.....

See Shiber the butt brained doggie.....

Once possessed by the infamous Wolfbeard the Pirate........

[Theseus]

Never go up against a Stormian when death is on the line!!

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Urrgghh.

[Darekill]

Well, if that was a trap I'd like to see some more of this. Four Pikes and three Med.Infs are one wonderfull breakfast.

[Shiber]

And no casualties in Ansars, I suppose
riiiiiight... ;)

[Darekill]

Not exactly no Ansar, but not many.

[Shiber]

:lol: The turn isn't over until the fat lawyer sings ;)

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Shiber
:lol: The turn isn't over until the fat lawyer sings ;)
I wasn't aware Togas was fat...........

[Shiber]

Judging by the pictures on his personal homepage, he isn't.
But knowing Togas, he could have doctored these pictures. I think it's something worthy only of Togas... don't you think so too, Giggis? ;)

[OPD]

Rule #1 of Trampolines: when you bounce too far and are going to miss the trampoline try and land on the fattest person you see and hope they're not a lawyer. ;)

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Shiber
Judging by the pictures on his personal homepage, he isn't.

I have no idea what you are talking about, Shiver.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by OPD
Rule #1 of Trampolines: when you bounce too far and are going to miss the trampoline try and land on the fattest person you see and hope they're not a lawyer. ;)

:lol:

[ruby_maser]

Originally posted by Theseus
Never go up against a Stormian when death is on the line!!

:)

ah, Vizzini, where's my iocane powder? :p

[Darekill]

The last turn was quite successfull for the islamic troops of Neu Demogyptica. The "Trap" of Zaragoza seems to have caused by far more damage to the christian catholic infidels then to the brave arabian singing fighters.

This turn holds some risk for ND. a big assault of the spanish is about to take place at Leon. Allah only knows what our fate will be there. Maybe he needs some brave arabian warriors in the paradies and will choose to take them. But even if that happens our Warriors will die happy because they know that paradiese will wait for those to die in a jihad!

Inschallah!

[ZargonX]

brave arabian singing fighters


Greatest

army

name

ever

[Beta]

Originally posted by Darekill
brave arabian singing fighters.



Yes - BASF. :)

[DeepO]

:lol: :b:

DeepO

[Master Zen]

hey, the scottish brought their bagpipes ahore on Normandy... the brave arabs can surely sing ther way into battle! ;)

[Darekill]

I didn't realise the BASF part. The BASF (Badische Anelin und Soda Fabrik) is a big chemical plant. Woe us now all the world will be talking about chemical warfare. But its not us, it's the horses that fart!

However our basf will continue their habbit to sing while fighting.

[Beta]

Originally posted by Darekill
I didn't realise the BASF part. The BASF (Badische Anelin und Soda Fabrik) is a big chemical plant. Woe us now all the world will be talking about chemical warfare. But its not us, it's the horses that fart!

However our basf will continue their habbit to sing while fighting.
:lol:


I know BASF as the cassette tapes I used to use. (they were in use before CD's for any of you youngsters out there.).

That's why I thought BASF and singing warriors were a good match.

[Tiberius]

BASF = Brave arabian singing fighters. :lol: I didn't know until now what that means :)

I also still have some BASF tapes at home, I think. They must be real old. Nevertheless, they still sing (but don't fight) ;)

[vondrack]

Just make sure your Ansars no not end up like those BASF tapes... since they are now EMTEC...

Exterminated Mounted Troops Ending up at Cemeteries

;)

[Darekill]

No vontdrack. EMTEC would be: Extreme Mobile Troops Emitting Chaos. :g:

[ZargonX]

Extreme Mobile Troops Emitting Chaos


Chaos? I thought you said that was gas...? :hmmm:

[Shiber]

Well, often enough the effect of such gas is chaos...

[Beta]

So when the Ansar warriors come charging over a ridge - singing their lungs out, the defenders will ask:

"Is it live. Or is it Memorex?"

To which their comrades will reply:

"NO, you ignorant twits, it is BASF! Run for your lives!"

:)

[Panzer32]

Well it looks like ND has a forum now... but it didn't turn out too well...

http://apolyton.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=209

Never mind... it looks like someone is playing around with how the forums are set up.

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Beta
So when the Ansar warriors come charging over a ridge - singing their lungs out, the defenders will ask:

"Is it live. Or is it Memorex?"

To which their comrades will reply:

"NO, you ignorant twits, it is BASF! Run for your lives!"

:)

:lol: :lol: :lol:

ROFLMAO

[Darekill]

Fine with me as long as they run away!

BTW. I do not realy care if they run while fearing for their lives or just to avoid hearing the terrible battlesong neither ;)

[Darekill]

Official note to our enemy the People of Spain.

There is something I want to make clear. We have encountered your troops on the battlefield and we fought them. They all fought with pride and honour. I have never seen a spanish soldier run away cowardly. Your troops showed great braveness in situations where the odds were against them. I congratulate you on this and I salute a fair enemy.

I do this just to make it clear that we do not want to mock you. We fight you and this we will do to the end. We have our reason for doing so and we do not need to discuss this.

We have great allies in the People of the Glory of War. We honour this alliance and we will never have a seperate peace but I feel the need to show the one point where I and most of my People disagree with them. They hate you it seems they taunt and mock you. We don't. We respect your bravery and your honour. We fight you only because we see it is in the best interest of our People to do so and because we think that we never would have come to a peacefull agreement with your leadership.

This is all I have to say but I realy had to say it.
Darekill
Consul of Neudemogyptica

[DeepO]

:b:

That's the spirit, Darekill. I wonder what prompted you to post this now (pending massive assault on RP?), but nevertheless it's a superb post.

Too bad you don't share the same feelings for GS :D

DeepO

[Beta]

Darekill - classy post.:b:

[BigFree]

Thanks Darekill, Spain holds simular regard for the Arabians. I'm sorry we couldn't have used this mutual respect for each other against the vile Barbarians to your North. :(

[Aggie]

Well said Darekill. I must add that I too feel no personal dislike toward RP or GS. They simply happen to be where we must go. As I said in another thread it is with regret that I see no peaceful solution and the day that RP is defeated will not be a time of great celebration to me, but instead will be day of regret that it came to such an end.
Aggie

[Darekill]

Originally posted by DeepO

Too bad you don't share the same feelings for GS :D

DeepO

Who says we don't.

But how am I to tell about the bravery of GS troops when we never ever encountered in battle?

Maybe we have this turn and maybe I will miss one of our Defdiv's next turn but this I can not see now....

[Master Zen]

hey Darekill, my PM box was full and I missed a PM from you, can you please resend? thanks ;)

[BigFree]

MZ, it said:

"HAHAHA, All of your base are belong to us!" ;)

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by BigFree
MZ, it said:

"HAHAHA, All of your base are belong to us!" ;)

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Shiber]

You have no chance to survive make your time

[Darekill]

GS, you should better send the save.....

[Shiber]

This was posted by Arrian. I hope he doesn't mind me quoting him...


Sorry I haven't been around. Monday was just a debacle for me. A few short words: went to the US Open on a Bus trip. It wasn't through our company, so no one knew us. It rained pretty much all day. We were there from 10am - just before 7pm, and saw a grand total of 40 minutes of tennis. Upon arrival, the bus driver stated, in no uncertain terms, that we would be staying until the end of the day session, no matter how late that was. Well, at 6:40pm, when my gf and I got back out to the parking lot, guess what? No bus. They ****ing left us. Apparently, the Pratt & Whitney people got back on the bus and demanded to go home, and told the bus driver that everyone was accounted for. No head count was taken. So we took the subway to Grand Central and Metro North to Fairfield, where my Dad came and picked us up. I then had to borrow my mother's car and drive home through the monsoon. Got home at 11pm. Took a half day yesterday and napped through the afternoon. Man, that sucked.


Others were either in bed or at work when NYE and I had the save. Then NYE had to go to work and then people started showing up. Bad timing, I guess...
I apologize for my team for keeping you all waiting.

[Arrian]

No problemo, Shiber. I too apologize. The turn needs to get played... ever since Nathan stepped down as da player, we've have trouble getting our act together.

Sorry.

-Arrian

[Master Zen]

No need to apologize, RL can be a ***** sometimes. What's a shame is that you only got to see 40 minutes of the open... :(

[Arrian]

MZ,

I went a couple of times as a kid and had a blast (on a good day it's great fun, maybe even worth the ticket price :eek: ), because the weather cooperated. This was just awful. I feel particularly bad for my gf, because she'd never been, and had high hopes.

As Johnny Mac was saying on TV last night, they go and build an expensive new stadium (Arthur Ashe) and don't think to put a retractable roof on the thing?? What the ****? I said the exact same thing while sitting in the rain, and JM backs me up on the air the next night. Get it done, NYC!

-Arrian

[Theseus]

I watch the Open in the comfort of my NYC living room, without paying $8 for a crapburger. :lol:

My partner went last Thursday, which was beautiful...

You got nailed by the RWG!! ;)

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Theseus

You got nailed by the RWG!! ;)

That's why everyone should have turned Preserve Random Seed OFF when playing the game of life! ;)

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Master Zen


That's why everyone should have turned Preserve Random Seed OFF when playing the game of life! ;)
No kidding, I'm just worried that Firaxis hasn't fixed all the bugs............

[Beta]

So - let me see. GS's excuse for being late for playing the turn is that it rained at a tennis tournament.:lol:

Up north here we have had power blackouts, SARS, mad cow, and forest fires.:hmmm:

(Arrian - in all honesty - sorry the day was such a bummer.)

[DeepO]

sssshhht, Beta, for once our 'propaganda' was working :D

No, it more was a bad coincidence in timing, together with half our team going inactive the past weeks. It used to be so that we could compensate as a team for the rl issues of some of us, but that has become a lot more difficult lately. GS's internal structures are changing, and these delays are a bit of growing pains... for which I too apoligise. But sometimes, I just need to sleep.

DeepO

[Beta]

Originally posted by DeepO
sssshhht, Beta, for once our 'propaganda' was working :D

No, it more was a bad coincidence in timing, together with half our team going inactive the past weeks. It used to be so that we could compensate as a team for the rl issues of some of us, but that has become a lot more difficult lately. GS's internal structures are changing, and these delays are a bit of growing pains... for which I too apoligise. But sometimes, I just need to sleep.

DeepO

Understood completely. Especially with Vox, and I'm sure all the other teams at one time or another, having been in similar situations. But I had to take the shot. :)

(as the great one Wayne Gretzky said, "You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." And here the net was wide open. :D )

[Darekill]

Neu Demogyptica is proud to declare peace!
From this turn on we have reestablished peacefull relations to all the Teams that are still in the game.
We hope that we can keep up this state and reach finaly a UN-Victory....

[Master Zen]

I vote Vox :D

[Darekill]

That wouldn't influence the vote much I guess, since Vox wouldn't probably be a candidate... Exept if vox would be able to build the UN first.... there are rumours that they already started a prebuild.....

[Darekill]

It is time for another anouncement.
From September on untill today Zayxus has managed all the turns for ND. Now we had elections and he is replaced by me. He needed a rest and he was not leaving reluctantly but rather gladly. He is still a very activ and busy Member of ND.

All the diplomacy will run through my channel now. So for any proposals feel free to PM me or write an e-mail to Darekillatatatgmxdotdotdotde.

[Hot_Enamel]

Two thumbs up for Zayxus

:b: :b:

A great effort

[Arnelos]

Hmm... seems that there is a lot of shuffling around on various teams.

Darekill,

Please note that I am currently the one playing turns for RP Team and conducting RP Team diplomacy.

We've worked out something of an interesting arrangement on RP Team. I'll probably post some RP (appropriate, eh? ;) ) later about that.

[vondrack]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
Two thumbs up for Zayxus

:b: :b:

A great effort
Agreed - :b: :b:.

[Master Zen]

Great to have Darekill back :b: :b:

And a big :unworthy: :unworthy: for Zayxus also for so long time at the helm

[Cort Haus]

Congrats from GS to Zayxus :b: for his time at the wheel, and welcome back, Darekill.

[bischop]

The Arabien Republic of Neu Demogyptica have decided to save a part of our common world as an international park without any humans for the future of the world. This great park is placed on the ruins of an old civilization as a warning about the mistakes we did. Let's hope all humans see what great idea this is.
Unfortunately, we make a small mistake and overdrive some small people we have never seen their before.

[Togas]

Is that the best you can come up with?

What? You weren't satisfied by raping us the first time, so any chance you get to slaughter Spaniards, you jump at the opportunity to heap on more abuse.

There isn't a single Spanish military unit anywhere in the former Legoland territory, but I don't suppose that matters. Killing civilians is not a concern to the "Arabien Republic".

This genocide is not born out of a need to expand, as any additional cities ND builds are already too corrupt. They have more land than any civ in the world already.

This war was done for the sole purpose of killing us.

(If there was a f*ck you smiley. I'd put it right here)

--Togas

[Hot_Enamel]

:lol:

[Aeson]

GS, or at least it's turn player (the rumors that they are one and the same are not true... yet), applauds ND's vision for opening nature preserves on lands that historically were in the hands of now displaced or conquered nations. I look forward to the return of Espania, Lux and the rest of former Legoland to it's rightful owner, nature, as well. GS would be more than happy to uphold it's end of the bargain by creating the Estonia nature preserve!

On the other hand, the refining of Uranium and creation of radioactive waste by ND is troubling to my environmentally conscious mind. Could this all just be a ruse on ND's part? Is western Legoland their idea of a nuclear waste dumping ground? GS offers it's military to help protect UN inspectors in the coming investigation.

We live in a critical time, where the decision between nuclear holocaust or pristine utopia will be made. Let us all come together to talk out our differences at the UN which ND is so graciously constructing for us.

:)

[Master Zen]

GoW would like to take the opportunity to state its complete neutrality in the struggle between ND and RP as well as GS should they decide to get involved. We will continue to respect all current treaties with all nations and offer ourselves as moderators if necessary.

That said, I want to make something very clear. GoW and GS had an agreement on how to split Legoland, and ND's colonial concessions were limited to GoW's side of the continent, NOT GS's. Therefore we ask ND to publicaly state what their intention is by conquering RP's half of the continent and strongly oppose any permanent ND settlements on that side.

Btw, apologies for my absence as of late, I am in a UN Model and will not have time until tomorrow to play the save.

[ZargonX]

Look, this can all be settled very easily by giving Legoland back to the Legos. I've still got that one settler floating around, you know ;)

[bischop]

If Lego is interested ND would be glad to revitalize the native people of Legoland !!

To honor the great civilisation of Legoland we think they should take part any longer in the game!

And Perhaps is it the space shuttle of legoland which lift up at first !

[DeepO]

Maybe you can start by giving them Borcem. That way, the Lego's could even win diplomatically, which in my eyes would be a bigger accomplishment than fleeing this world.

DeepO

[Togas]

One of our slaves in ND, before being killed for sport, was able to send us the following information via computer (a new technology we possess that I'm sure most of the rest of you have had for 100 years or so).

Partial Transcript of Proceedings of the ND Republic

...
Senator Hans, "Issue on the floor: the attack of the Roleplay relocation settlements on former Legoland. I see that we have scheduled 30 minute for debate. I don't see why anyone thought we'd need that much time... I'll open this up for debate now, but I really don't see the point. Oh -- I see Senator bischop wants to speak."

Bischop, "I didn't get to kill any roleplayers last time."

Hans, "Going to war is dangerous. Some of our boys could be killed."

(audible snickers and laughter across the chamber)

Darekill, "Spaniards killing us? That's a joke. They don't even have a military worth laughing about. We can just run the civilians over with our tanks. Our only expense will be fuel."

Hans, "So what do we get out of this war? Resources? Territory? Luxuries? What do we tell the world?"

Senator Arnold, "Bah! We are the largest nation in the world! From our half of the wastes of legoland, we have recovered the extra luxuries we wanted. Our excellent city plans and managed growth have given us an ideal civilization on our 2/3rds of Bob. Why don't we just bulldoze the Spaniards, as putting new cities in their filthy territory would just be a corrupt wasteland for us. There's really no point in builiding there at all."

Bischop, "Why would we need a reason? They're roleplayers. That's reason enough for me."

Darekill, "If I had been in charge over the past year, and not Zayxus, I would have murdered those RPers a long time ago. This cleansing is needed before they start posting in the forums again."

Senator Hans, "Now now, ever since we brutalized them years ago, they have been rather quiet. Doing nothing but building an improvement every 5-10 turns and hitting END TURN. They've had to kiss ass and beg for tech on every level, as their research is pitiful and their little reservation can barely support 6 cities. I mean, it's not like they had anything to contribute to the massive Legoland war, or any other war for that matter. They're a non-entity. Is there really any point in destroying them now?"

Bischop, "Yeah. So I get to kill some, that's why."

Darekill, "We didn't fight in the Legoland war, because we might have lost some units. But fighting against RP. That's a guaranteed bloodless victory. I only fight when I know I can win, and this I can win."

Bischop, "We can do whatever we want. We're the Arabien Republic. And I want to kill something."

Senator Arnold, "You know, they ARE pathetic. Vox is more powerful and more developed than them. I'm willing to bet that if Legoland built a city somewhere, in 10 turns they'd be more powerful than RP are right now. Let's just destroy them and get on with the next issue."

Senator Hans, "This is true. We can blitz through their Legoland relocation settlements. The refugees will be helpless against us. We can then land a transport on their reservation and destroy the rest of their pointless cities in a single turn. I'm sure GoW will be happy to be rid of them, and GS might feel sorry for them, but at least GS won't have to continue to protect them anymore. We'll be doing GS a favor."

Darekill, "Do they have any troops? I don't want to have any ND losses!"

Senator Arnold, "Our spies report their cities are virtually empty. GS probably has been protecting them. Maybe building a military would crush their pathetic economy. Do not worry, Darekill, none of our boys will be hurt during your term as our leader."

Bischop, "I can't wait! Let's start the genocide NOW. I want to drive a tank! This could be fun. I've never smashed a city before! Maybe I can see some RP kiddies cry before I kill them!"

Senator Hans, "Ok then, all in favor of beginning the Roleplay Genocide and erradicating them from the face of the planet, say AYE."

(many many AYES given)

Senator Hans, "All opposed?"

(silence)

Senator Hans, "The AYES have it. Tomorrow we'll draw names out of a hat and that person will have to come up with a reason for the attack. Please make it as funny as possible. It's not like anyone is going to take it seriously."

end of transcript

[Krill]

their little reservation can barely support 6 cities.

I thought you only had/have 5 cities on Estonia...

[zerialienguru]

Its just a game and nothing personal, so keep cool. Everybody wants to win this game and all teams have their own strategy to win it.

@Togas
Yes, their was no single spanish military unit so the "battle report" can't report a battle ;)

[DeepO]

Originally posted by zerialienguru
Yes, their was no single spanish military unit so the "battle report" can't report a battle ;)
Taking a city is just as well a battle. Even if no damage was done on your side, we normally see what kind of unit (e.g. a vet tank) takes the city. ND signed the battle report rule as well (Can't remember if you voted for or against), meaning that you should give this information to RP.

Maybe this seems to be meaningless to you, but for both us as for RP it is important to know if you took the cities with conscript tanks or with elites, as well as where they currently are. (if you take a city with a tank, the tank is still where you left it when we open our turn)

Again, you are not required to put the information in public if you don't want to, but you must give it to RP. And as RP will certainly share it with us, and probably don't mind Vox, Lego, or GoW getting it, it's just easier to publish it for all. Plus, watchers have something to see for their amusement, we didn't mind you seeing the info for Lego in the Lego war either.

I'm sorry, but I must support the request that you put a decent battle report up.

DeepO

[zerialienguru]

ok, wait for bischop, he played the turn.
If i'm right, he uses only tanks, maybe one elite, rest vets.

[DeepO]

Thanks

DeepO

[Master Zen]

Senator Hans, "The AYES have it. Tomorrow we'll draw names out of a hat and that person will have to come up with a reason for the attack. Please make it as funny as possible. It's not like anyone is going to take it seriously."

end of transcript

Hay ANY declaration of war in this game been taken seriously???

ND vs Lux: Because Trip is a pain in the ass

Vox vs GS: (I forgot this one but I remember being hilarious... it was Beta after all :p )

GoW/ND vs RP: To stop the evil backstabbing treacherous malevolent Stormian imperialism on Bob

GoW/GS vs Lego: Because Lego had not fought a war yet


I see a pattern ;)