Gatering Storm Diplo

[Addled Platypus]

just recieved this today:

"Greetings loyal scions of the almightiest of fruits!

It is your newest friendly neighbors, Gathering Storm. We wish to extend a kindhearted greeting to you in the hopes of establishing bonds in peace.

I am your ambassador from the People of the Storm. notyoueither is our Minister of Foreign Affairs. Please feel free to contact either of us, however I may be more readily available so feel free to contact me whenever you feel the need.
On MSN messenger, my email is awesemofettsabre@hotmail.com. "



when did we meet ?

[Addled Platypus]

here is my first contact:

I need to ask the main question first.

When/where did we meet in game ? I did not play the last turn. I would like for all talks to be legit

I hope you understand my concern

Yours truly

Platypus Rex

[Wise Ass]

I dunno, that seems somewhat accusatory.

[Addled Platypus]

only becuse it was beat into me by a mod

I do tend to get right to the point

[fed1943]

I was the last turn player.

I didn't notice GS presence (city or unit).

Best regards,

[Addled Platypus]

furhter news

Sorry for the delay in responding to you. Nobody checked gmail the last 2 days.

We are on the border of Splitsville. We are standing on the rice 2 1 of the town.

If you wish, you may check with snoopy to verify that our contacting you is legitimate.

Regards
nye

we could verify this on our next turn

my reply

Since you now the name of our glorious town, all is well and welcome to our peacefull realm.

Just beware of the burnig of bananasense--this may cause burning of eyes, drooling of the mouth.

Let me scribe down the ideas and wishes and I will be happy to gather my fellow Bananas for disccusions in these important matters.

Expect delays with us as well, we all try hard to do and make the best of things


Bananapus Rex


things are picking up....

lets tell AC about contact with another civ without giving GS's name yet...ask them if they wish to be known

Dyong to know where they came from...Boat ? Land ?

[Daddy-O]

Platy, I know it is your team and all, but thediplomaticbanana was created for team diplo. I humbly request that we start using that email for GS contact? The pluses of that email account are that if diplomats change the other Civ still has one point of contact. We also don't get into a situation where another team can start to email different Team Banana members looking for a different response. It also provides another layer to shield our individual identity.

I will include mention of our contact when I ask AC to reply.

[Addled Platypus]

I need that info again, I keep on losing it.

That was a main reason why I had CC'd you in the last conversation. I have no intentions of taking over any diplomatic actions. You are the one with the talent in that regards

[Daddy-O]

ME!?!?!?!?

OK if that is what is needed.

I'll take it from here unless someone else wants the GS Diplo.

FYI - thediplomaticbanana has a thread here in the private forum, the pwd is there.

[Daddy-O]

A simple reply...


NYE & Gathering Storm,
Our tribes' recent contact is being discussed. For now, know that we are a friendly tribe and are glad to hear that you come in peace.

Please send all diplomatic letters to thediplomaticbanana@yahoo.com

Yea Banana!!!!!!!!
-The Diplomatic Banana


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So, now what?

[Addled Platypus]

I guess start with land border

[Daddy-O]

I asked some questions, sent a gift of pudding, and raised the issue of borders...

NYE & Gathering Storm,
Oh yea! and praise be The Great Banana whose name dare not be uttered. Our prophets foretold of a time when our peoples would meet - just a few weeks ago in fact. Some thought you were a left over effect from the last retreat to the mountains where our wise men smoke banana peels to gain insight to the ways of The Mighty Musa. This is why we were flustered at your sudden appearance.

It is obvious by our many cities that these are the Lands of the Banana. How is it that you have come to us? Have you traveled by land, or by sea? Or as your name implies, have you come by way of sky from where the clouds play? Pray tell what kind of tribe you are? Where are your lands and what are you doing in ours - besides trampling our rice? Have you tried the banana-rice pudding? It is to die for.

As a gift I send you the technological wonder known as

"Banana Rice
Pudding"
-------------------

3 cups rice milk or nonfat milk (I prefer the milk of the free range hippolactus)
1 cup short grain rice (splitsville rice please)
3 very ripe bananas, mashed
1/2 tsp nutmeg

Preheat over fire to 350F. Mix all together well and pour into a
1 1/2 qt casserole. Bake in pit for 1 to 1 1/2 hours, stirring
occasionally, until rice is tender. Makes 4 cups.

If you are a near-by neighbor we should discuss the borders of our lands.

Peace & Banana Out!
-The Diplomatic Banana
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[snoopy369]

A quick note.

Unless or until you give a portion of your map to GS that indicates the location of AC (it doesn't have to include your location, but it should be enough for GS to have some idea of where AC is on the continent) or unless GS/AC have contact, you should not discuss the existence of another civ on the continent, except when absolutely required [ie, if you are running from a mob of AC tanks and have to explain why your warrior is heading into GS territory]. You can tell if GS and AC have contact via the F4 screen.

Thanks!

[snoopy369]

This applies equally to AC, by the way. You could discuss the existence of GS with them only by showing them a map that includes the GS warrior, and enough of the screen to indicate the general location of the warrior (again, doesn't have to include your territory).

[Addled Platypus]

great touch Daddy-O

thanks for the reminder snoopy369

[Daddy-O]

snoopy369,
That was close. I quickly re-read my AC & GS emails to make sure that I did not reveal names. I was worried that I revealed names.

So, our previously discussed plan to meet a civ and say something like, "The people of the banana and eternal friend of Alpha Centuri greet you in..." would be a rule breaker - at least in the early game. Please confirm.

Oh, sharing the technological wonder of Banana-Rice pudding was within the rules - right?

[Addled Platypus]

I would say yes to the pudding its nothing in game, just great humor


lets not say "we know of another civ"
I quess it would be tipping the hat

[Daddy-O]

Unless we send them a screenie of the GS warrior. Do we have one?

[Addled Platypus]

yes, it is an word attachment in the current turn thread

follow this

http://apolyton.net/forums//showthread.php?postid=4636837#post4636837

post #3

[Daddy-O]

I won't send it until I hear back from them.

[snoopy369]

You could not mention AC directly, indeed. Note that you'd need to show both teams each other in order to talk both ways; and they still would not be able to contact each other except through you until they found each other ...

[Daddy-O]

Thanks for the clarification.

[Daddy-O]

GS replied:

Greetings to the people of the Banana.

We received your last message, but got distracted by cooking. Apologies for the delay in responding.

We see you have many questions. We have some of our own as well and feel that a personal meeting of representatives would be good. Can we arrange a chat?

To answer one of your questions, legend has it that long, long ago a mighty storm laid waste to the world. Water came to cover most of the surface and consume the dry land.

One small group of stout-hearted people were farmers and craftsmen who lived in a valley. One day a stranger came to them and told them of the coming of the water. He bid them move to a distant mountain in order to find safety. He would lead them there so that they might not be lost.

Many of the people listened to the stranger as the storms were already beginning. The stranger led our forebears as he promised. They huddled on the mountain and watched the waters rise, but the stranger had vanished. The people lamented for his loss as most assumed that he had fallen into the rushing, swirling water and been swept away.

When the stranger returned to them as if from nowhere, the people were astonished. As mentioned before the place they were was now surrounded by stormy seas.

After overcoming their shock, and greeting the stranger with joyous celebration the people began to ask what would become of them as the waters were still rising and even the heights of the mountain would surely be submerged. The stranger told them to be calm so that the skies, the land, and the water might reflect their serenity and yield to their will.

After some time, and more than a little coaching by the stranger for the more nervous of the people, the rain began to fall a lttle less, the wind began to lessen a little. Soon the water stopped rising. Then the rain stopped and the winds decreased to a breeze. The people were joyous.

Soon after the storm died away and the clouds parted the people asked the stranger what would happen next. They were standing on the top of a mountain with solid rock all around them and surely no food could be grown there. The stranger told them to be patient and to tend to the small flocks and herds they had been able to bring with them.

The people went about their business of tending to stores and animals that they had managed to save. Many animals were lost and much was ruined by the all pervasive water.

All of a sudden the people were startled by the sound of a great thunder from inside the earth! They gathered near the source of the sound and witnessed the waters of the surrounding seas flooding into a crack in the mountain they were standing on! Slowly, ever so slowly, the water went down. The people could see the side of the mountain split open and thirstily drinking in the water. Some of the people who were too excited got too close and fell in to be consumed by the water and then the mountain. Most remembered the lessons of the stranger, remained calm, and thus they survived.

Eventually the water was almost gone and the land at the foot of the mountain began to emerge. First the tops of hills, and then more and more until a lot of high ground was again dry. The sun shone brightly and without relief by clouds resulting in great heat. At this point the stranger told the people that they had to leave the mountain.

The stranger led the people down from the mountain and onto dry, safe land. He told them to continue in the direction he had brought them. He explained that he had to go back up the mountain and that he would not see them again for a long time. He told the people to keep moving no matter what happened.

The people obeyed the advice of the stranger, as he had been right about so much. They began to venture out onto the plain, barren as it had become from the scouring of the water and now the blistering of the sun. Some of the people grew anxious, but most remembered the lessons of the stranger when reminded. Calmly the people continued to trek in the direction the stranger had bid them.

After some time had passed, there was a great rumbling and shaking of the ground. The people sat down, or laid themselves flat to avoid being thrown about. The people looked back and saw the mountain swaying. They watched as the chasm in the side closed itself up. Then there was a loud crash and a finger of water exploded from the base of the mountain.

The water erupted, and continued to rush forth. The finger of water became an arm and that arm rushed its way down a course in the Earth, pushing land away before it. The rush of water reached the people, but did not expand to consume them. It continued into the distance farther than even the youngest of the people could see.

Older, wiser ones of the people knew that this finger of water was rapidly forming a mightly river. They knew that if they followed it they would eventually come to a spot that would be suitable for the people to make their homes anew amid plenty.

And so it came to pass that the people reached the spot they had come from before the waters rose. They settled and built their homes anew. With time and water the land grew rich again, the flocks found good pasture, and the people were happy that a stranger had arrived to lead them to safety and to teach them many things.

That was many generations ago, but it is said that the stranger assured the people that one day, not very soon, he would visit them again. The people use his lessons well.

That is the story of Stormbringer, and how my people became the People of the Storm.

Regards
nye

[Daddy-O]

I sent a quick message asking for times to have a chat.


NYE,
That is quite the tale. It will take some time and several bowls of banana-rice pudding to fully grasp the meaning of all that you have told.

A gathering of peoples to chat around the fire would be good indeed. What service to you prefer? We are obviously a people of Yahoo! and you a tribe of Google. Suggest a time and IM service and we will see what can be done.

Peace to the Stormbringer and his people!
-The Diplomatic Banana

[Addled Platypus]

I work nights Sun-Thur 2:30-11pm PST

off friday

and you Daddy-O ?

[Addled Platypus]

lets go with the standard map trade for starters

[Daddy-O]

I am available most evenings.

[Addled Platypus]

this Friday is best

after that, I will be on the roadfor about 2-3 weeks

fed1943 will be the turn player. Hopefully EPW pops back up

I am trying to teach fed the magic of screenshoots with ms paint/word

He is having issues with in game

[Daddy-O]

Please see my questions here:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=4648084#post4648084

About GS:
If we don't get a meeting set up by Friday, I want the team's ideas on borders, techs, resources, communication between AC and GS, and our general position to GS before PRex goes away. These are my ideas.

On borders - same stance we took with AC, it is too early in the game to draw borders on unknown lands at this time. We should agree to honor the in-game borders only.

On techs & resources - we could entertain some talk of tech & resource trades but nothing as open as our talks with AC. We just met GS. Let's see what the next few turns bring.

On GS/AC communication - We could use this contact as a way to get something from GS but I hesitate to ask anything from AC for communication with GS.

On our general stance towards GS - I think we should play it as peaceful but at arms length. Again the same that we did with AC at first. Let's see what GS brings to the table and if they are indeed peaceful.

Overall, I believe that we should build one very strong rock solid alliance (AC?) and stay peaceful as long as possible with other civs. At this stage we must stay peaceful with GS because 1)the AC alliance could fall through; 2)we have an army of one.

Ideas?

[Wise Ass]

I agree with everything. It's too early to really look at any real trades just yet.

I think it is time for us to enhance our army of one, I think that this whole issue with AC should teach us that we cannot expect everyone to be what they seem.

[fed1943]

I agree.

And, at very least, peace and some tech trade.

Best regards,

[Daddy-O]

Can you offer peace in-game to GS while I send an email asking to formalize our peaceful friendship?

[Addled Platypus]

in game peace comes after discovering writing...sorry

cultural boundries- I support


I have to think of this:

AC and GS know of each other all ready, we are in the middle

PREPARE for the worse, while planning for the best

[Daddy-O]

Yes. This is why I do not want to ask AC for anything to get in contact with GS. If AC and GS know eachother it will be bad form on our part and not speak well of our desire to have an open a free friendship with AC.

[Daddy-O]

I missed GS & NYE. :( I have let my team down.


From GS...

I can be reached as notyoueither@hotmail.com using Windows Messenger.

I look forward to meeting with you. Saturday is a good day for me as I am usually available all afternoon (MST).

nye



my reply...

NYE,
Very sorry that we missed the meeting. Is there another time that we can meet?

Peace,
-The Diplomatic Banana

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[Daddy-O]

Sounds like I am going to have to sit online and wait for GS at MSN.


I can be reached as notyoueither@hotmail.com using Windows Messenger.

I look forward to meeting with you. Saturday is a good day for me as I am usually available all afternoon (MST).

nye


If anyone else wants to handle diplo with GS just raise your hand. Thediplomaticbanana was created so everyone can do diplo and changes are transparent to the other teams. If no one wants it, I will continue.

[Addled Platypus]

Well if they dont show up this saturday

lets not worry about it at all, if they blow it...its their fault


We cant wait for ever

[Addled Platypus]

Hey Daddy-O

please make contact with Gathering Storm, again

I recieved a pm stating: noting recieved sice Nov6

they are patiently waiting our reply

[Addled Platypus]

ATTENTION SHOPPERS

Theirs a semi-urgent diplo message in Bananas G-mail inbox concerning a possible IRC chat for this weekend.


will someone please cut and paste here please

[Daddy-O]

There was nothing at G-Mail. I did find two email from AC in the Yahoo account. These have been posted in the AC diplo thread.

[EPW]

I'm in the chat.....apperently they were expecting us...

[EPW]

There was a meeting, GS and AC was there...and me..., they wanted to
discuss tech trading..but there was nothing I could really say, we haven't formed a coherent position in this thread and I'm not the diplomat...Basically I tried to put them off...make excuses...
GS is pissed at us...they think we are giving them the "cold shoulder". They seem willing to negotiate but we need to make the next move. And soon I would say..or relations will go sour...

[Addled Platypus]

I tried making it too, but irc is not an option for me, or untill I figure out who to get it to work

ok ....we need to get a first aid message out ASAP

[Daddy-O]

I will send a message to AC & GS. I am sorry. I can do diplo via email, but I cannot take the time that it requires to do IM chats, draw up a treaty, etc.

[Daddy-O]

OK. It's a bit long but here is my email to GS and AC. I will post it in both diplo threads.


Friends of the Banana - Gathering Storm & Alpha Centurians,
I understand that the Bananas' lack of responses to you could be seen as us being unfriendly and uninterested in peace or trade with our good neighbors Gathering Storm (GS) and our long time friends of Alpha Centuri (AC). Please do not take offense.

To be open with you our tribe has suffered some losses recently: our turn player unexpectedly quit, a new member who showed great promise left too, the mighty P'Rex has been traveling and my life has gotten busy as well. These are excuses that you can choose to consider. Live chats are difficult for us to make a commitment to at this time. However, I promise to look at the email at least daily for word from you.

The proposed open science agreement that AC and Team Banana nearly signed and agree to in its intent is still on the table. Team Banana welcomes GS to the table and to the agreement. It was always Team Banana's intent to bring our three nations together but word from the sky and snoopy369 made it clear that we could not mention GS to AC or AC to GS. Team Banana hopes that GS and AC will still have us as friends. Team Banana strongly believes that we 3 nations must grow together and stick together if we are to prosper in this large world. Not all nations will be as friendly as we have been to eachother. By openly sharing technologies we grow closer in friendship and peace. Team Banana sees the culture of our 3 nations covering this continent. Science, commerce, and mutual defense should be our concerns.

SCIENCE -
AC and Team Banana have all but signed the science agreement. AC kindly brought GS to the table to discuss GS being brought into the agreement. It sounds to me that everyone wants this. Due to our long friendship, Team Banana has full faith and trust in AC. AC, please draw up an acceptable 3 way tech treaty and Team Banana will sign it. AC reports that they have already started researching Writing. Sign up Team Banana to start on Iron Working ASAP, if this has not already been discovered. Let us three nations affirm our friendship with the open sharing of science.

Team Banana would prefer to see a treaty that openly and freely trades techs. The proposed treaty had some conversion of gold to technology - but at the end of the age there was only a difference of something like 8 gold to be paid. With 3 nations involved that difference will be even less. What is 4 gold pieces among friends? Team Banana humbly suggests this out line:

* Simplify the proposed treaty by dropping the gold to tech payment.
* State that as soon as possible (discovery of writing?) the 3 member nations freely exchange techs so that everyone has the same technologies to start with.
* Draw up a research path for each nation: AC - Writing, ...; Banana - Iron Working, ...; GS - ?, ...
* Add a clause that nations freely gift a discovered technology to member nations the same turn it is discovered, or the turn after it is discovered.
* And provide an exit/renewal clause such as, at change of age, a given tech is discovered, a given year, etc.

Well that was simple. Is that the agreement right there? AC and GS work out the remaining details and Team Banana will sign it. Team Banana wants this to be a reality.

I will send an addendum to this that includes a list of our current technologies.

COMMERCE -
Team Banana and AC have agreed to build a road connecting the two nations. As our nations expand a long road becomes less of an issue. This is good. Soon our nations will be connected and the discussed trade of resources can begin. Team Banana would like to know where GS is so that a route could be built to open up commerce between our three nations. Is it possible to exchange screenshots?

MUTUAL DEFENSE -
Let us sign the science agreement and begin trade between our nations. Team Banana believes that once our nations are united together through open science and mutually profitable trade, mutual defense will only be natural.

Peace and Eternal Friendship to you,
-The Diplomatic Banana

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[Daddy-O]

I need screenshots to exchange with AC & GS and a list of current techs. I will look to the tech thread to see if it is accurate.

[Addled Platypus]

once again right on the mark

many thanks for your hard work

[EPW]

Okay its way to late now to play the turn, but in the morning I'll get you screen shots...

[Daddy-O]

from GS:

We at GS are also discussing this topic with great interest.

nye

[Daddy-O]

I replied the same to GS and AC...
This is great news! We were afraid that we had offended both of your nations. Team Banana hopes that this arrangement can be agreed on soon so that our 3 nations may continue building for the future in friendship.

-The Diplomatic Banana

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[Addled Platypus]

can there be success with Vox and Dtorm at each others heels ?

[Daddy-O]

Yes this can be a success as long as GS is not playing us for the fool.

All I saw is that GS attacked 1 Vox unit which was later killer by lions or something.

I'd like to see a response from GS soon. It is interesting that Vox mentioned that GS goes for long periods with out communication. This is what the do to us. the again that might be the way of this game. I have noticed the same from all teams actually - myself included.

Yes. I do think the AC/Banana & maybe GS Open Tech Agreement working.

[Daddy-O]

to AC and GS...
My friends of the Gathering Storm & Alpha Centuri,

Here is the promised list of Team Banana's current technologies. As you see we need to come to a decision soon. Team Banana wants this open tech agreement but time is pushing us to make a decision on what to study next. Some agrue that we cannot neglect defense waiting for this agreement to be signed and begun - they argue for Iron Working next. Others argue that this would be redundant at best since Iron Working is discovered and harmful to the agreement at worst. We have sent our wisest to the mountain to smoke banana peels as is our way. Hopefully the Great Banana will give us a sign.

Would an exchange of screenshots and maps help? Gathering Storm, In which direction should we lay our roads so that trade can begin between our nations?

Wheel
Agriculture
Mysticism
Mining
Animal Husbandry
Meditation
Priesthood
Bronze Working

Pottery in 1 turn

Peace,
The Diplomatic Banana

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[Addled Platypus]

couple days and no response

hmmm....

how long should we wait ??

[Daddy-O]

This came yesterday after I checked...

Hello to the People of the Banana

We have had some productive discussions with the Alpha Centaurians very recently. Unfortunately, it seems your desire for a totally open technology agreement is unlikely to meet with their approval. Meanwhile, they seem genuinely interested in an arrangement where tech is traded using beakers as the basis for calculating even trades. Assuming this is so, Gathering Storm would be pleased to trade on the same basis with Team Banana.

Part of our discussions with Alpha Centaurians focused on basic terms whereby all three of our teams could be assured of a long and equitable trade relationship. To this end several principles were raised and discussed. These principles would begin to form the basis of an agreement to promote peace, trade, and technology exchanges among the Alpha Centaurians, Team Banana, and Gathering Storm. There have been four points raised to date:
1. technology would be exchanged among the three teams on an even exchange basis
2. each of the three civs agrees not to retrade any technology acquired in trade from one of the three
3. trades arranged are kept even if a tech to be traded for is acquired by other means
4. each of the three teams agrees to an embargo on the team known as Vox. Technology will never be traded with Vox and borders with them will remain closed forever.

Please let us know how Team Banana feels about these proposals. We at Gathering Storm feel that they are a beginning in efforts to establish an era of peace with prosperity among the Alpha Centaurians, Team Banana, and Gathering Storm.

To aid in planning for possible technology exchanges, Gathering Storm has the following technologies: The Wheel, Agriculture, Hunting, Mysticism, Mining, Pottery, Archery, and Bronze Working. We are pursuing Mathematics via Writing (which will be complete soon). We also have Polytheism for all practical purposes since we are close to completing research of it. We are very interested in Team Banana's Animal Husbandry. Additional trades could be made for Meditation and Priesthood.

To encourage efforts for trade, and because we appreciate your recent forthcoming messages, I am sending you a shot that will show the land that seperates Team Banana from Gathering Storm. We feel it would be productive to establish a border between us and welcome Team Banana's feelings on this topic. Please see the end of this message. The rice near Splitsville is at the top of the shot. The outer ring of our capital is visible in Blue and of Vox's capital in red at the bottom.

Finally, a word on the civ known as Vox. Gathering Storm has been at war with this civ since shortly after contact. We would have preferred to avoid war since building things is much more productive than destroying them, however we felt we had no choice given their early behaviour that featured deceit and a laughing disregard for reasonable requests we made of them. Seeing as the possibility for peaceful coexistance with this civ is gone, Gathering Storm is fully committed to their complete destruction. As you read this message Vox's single city is being choked by Stormian Skirmishers, denying Vox the use of their most productive tiles. There is no evidence of even a single worker in Voxian lands. In short, they seem to be doomed. The reason we tell you this is by way of letting Team Banana know that we would find it difficult to accept a civ friendly to us giving any aid or other support to the civ known as Vox. Thus we request that Team Banana take our concerns into account in contacts with Vox.

We look forward to hearing from Team Banana at your earliest convenience so that we may continue moving forward towards a productive relationship.

Regards
nye



I say yes. Vox is almost dead anyway. But we need Iron Working now or we will be next.

[Daddy-O]

My quick reply...
NYE of the Gathering Storm,

We are discussing the terms. Things look favorable for a deal between our three nations. Stand by for an answer.

Yea BANANA!
-The Diplomatic Banana

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[Daddy-O]

GS attached this to the previous email concerning Techs and Vox.

[Addled Platypus]

Originally posted by Daddy-O


I say yes. Vox is almost dead anyway. But we need Iron Working now or we will be next.

lets trade !!

[Daddy-O]

I will send something today to AC and GS.

[Daddy-O]

I sent the following to AC & GS. Come on we have to be close here!


Tech Trade Treaty (3T)

Hail friends,

We are very pleased that there is so much interest in the equitable exchange of techs and the building of our nations friendship. NYE of Gathering Storm sent us tenative terms for an ongoing trade deal among our three nations: Alpha Centuri, Gathering Storm, & Team Banana. These are as follows:

1. technology would be exchanged among the three teams on an even exchange basis
2. each of the three civs agrees not to retrade any technology acquired in trade from one of the three
3. trades arranged are kept even if a tech to be traded for is acquired by other means
4. each of the three teams agrees to an embargo on the team known as XXXXXXXX. Technology will never be traded with XXXXXXXX and borders with them will remain closed forever.

I blocked out XXXXXXXX because I am not sure if AC knows of who we speak.

Team Banana has the following minor suggested changes:
1. Technology trades will be based on beakers with equality being the goal.
2. each of the three civs agrees not to retrade any technology to a non-member party acquired in trade from one of the three; without prior agreement of all three member nations.
3. trades arranged are kept even if a tech to be traded for is acquired by other means
4. each of the three teams agrees to an embargo on the team known as XXXXXXXX. Technology will never be traded with XXXXXXXX and borders with them will remain closed forever.
5. tech trade arragements among member nations will be common knowledge to member nations - ie. when a trade deal is finalized all 3 members will be notified even if only 2 parties are involved in the trade.

We three neighbors are forming the basis for a long term bond. We should not use the fruits of this friendship to strengthen other nations or for short term gains of of own.

Alpha Centuri recently offered Team Banana an exchange of (Iron Working and Writing for Meditation, Fishing and Sailing) to be followed the next turn with (Priesthood for Archery).

Knowing that we can come to some terms for the Tech Trade Treaty. Our friends the Alpha Centurians can consider this a deal.

Gathering Storm, I am sure that as soon as we come to terms, we can stike a deal to get you Animal Husbandry. The Wise men of The Great Banana (whose name dare not be uttered) are looking into options now.

Our three nations are so close to terms for the foundation of this Tech Trade Treaty that it is safe to say that we just need to dot the "i's" and cross the "t's".

These are great days!
The Diplomatic Banana


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Any ideas for a trade with GS?

[Daddy-O]

Don't forget the post on the previous page.


Another quick email to GS only to discuss borders...
NYE,
As you see some bananas can run at the mouth, too. Agreements between nations take high word counts. No worries.

Team Banana said what it needs to say in the 3T email about techs. We are so close to an agreement there.

Concerning the borders. We are looking at that now. For now, know that we respect the ingame cultural borders and hope that you would do the same. Do you have a proposed line-in-the-sand to draw across the screenie that you sent us? We are open to discussions.

Yea bananas!
The Diplomatic Banana


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[Daddy-O]

from GS on borders...


I am cutting this out so that we may easily focus on this issue apart from larger, 3-way issues.


On 12/20/06, The Diplomatic Banana <thediplomaticbanana@yahoo.com> wrote:

Concerning the borders. We are looking at that now. For now, know that we respect the ingame cultural borders and hope that you would do the same. Do you have a proposed line-in-the-sand to draw across the screenie that you sent us? We are open to discussions.



I was thinking that the midway point between our capitals would be a good place to begin discussing borders. That point would be around a tile SW of the Splitsville rice.

We would be pleased to respect your cultural borders. Please let us know how we may do so other than staying out of them prior to open borders being agreed to. Unfortunately, your borders seem to grow all on their own and we may need to move by with our scouting woodsman, or leave him stranded somewhere. Please let us know if there are any no-go zones that are not yet inside your culture. I will take your concerns to GS. We are generally inclined to abide by the wishes of our friends.

Cheers
nye


Are we getting squeezed tight between AC and GS?

[Daddy-O]

from GS on 3T...


Quick reply to TDB's detailed response.

The Alpha Centaurians are aware of Vox and are allowed to discuss them according to the interpretation of the rules given to me by Snoopy. 'XXXXXXXX' may be replaced by 'Vox'.

Banana's 2nd point is interesting:
'2. each of the three civs agrees not to retrade any technology to a non-member party acquired in trade from one of the three; without prior agreement of all three member nations.'

but is also covered by the initially proposed 2nd point:
'2. each of the three civs agrees not to retrade any technology acquired in trade from one of the three'

Of course permission by the researching (and 3rd) civ could be given for a trade to an outside party. Is there another situation that needs to be covered?

Cheers
nye

[Daddy-O]

my reply...


Friends,
Concerning point #2.

Our thoughts were that there might be a situation where a 4th nation would have something to offer 1 of us which in turn would benefit all 3 of us. We would hate to be in a situation where we 3 nations could not benefit from a trade due to our own treaty. Team Banana agrees that no party to this treaty should exclusively benefit from tech trades to a 4th party, but that we as partners should keep the option open as long as all 3 of us agree to the trade with the 4th party.

That said, I would find it very rare that a 4th nation would have anything to offer 3 nations who co-ordinate tech research and have an agreement as ours.

Do all three nations agree to the 5 terms that Team Banana offered?

1. Technology trades will be based on beakers with equality being the goal.
2. each of the three civs agrees not to retrade any technology to a non-member party acquired in trade from one of the three; without prior agreement of all three member nations.
3. trades arranged are kept even if a tech to be traded for is acquired by other means
4. each of the three teams agrees to an embargo on the team known as Vox. Technology will never be traded with Vox and borders with them will remain closed forever.
5. tech trade arragements among member nations will be common knowledge to member nations - ie. when a trade deal is finalized all 3 members will be notified even if only 2 parties are involved in the trade.

Do we need a 6th point that defines the duration of the agreement, or is this for all time? Someone pick a date, age or tech far in the future. This is not a sticking point but it is something that should be defined.

Something like:
6. Upon this world's entry into the MODERN ERA, the members of 3T will renew 3T as is, with modifications, or dissolve Tech Trade Treaty amicably.

or

6. Upon discovering and successfully trading FISSION to 3T members, the members of 3T will renew 3T as is, with modifications, or dissolve Tech Trade Treaty amicably.

Again, someone fill in the date or technology and Team Banana will most likely agree to it.

That should cover it for us.

Team Banana looks forward to 3T being signed so that our nations grow strong together in peace.

The Diplomatic Banana

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so close.

[Addled Platypus]

indeed

rock on !!

[Daddy-O]

as posted in AC's thread, future 3T diplo will be in the ABCS thread.

Or should we have a 3T thread.

Oh well I am sure there is time to decide. No emails from either team today.

[Daddy-O]

See ABCS thread.

[Daddy-O]

I thought I'd say hi to GS...

Gathering Storm,

It has been a long time indeed since we last spoke. We are sorry that our open trade agreement did not work out as we had planned but Team Banana wishes to stay on good terms with you. We wish to build a friendship with your people. Do you have any needs that we might be able to assist you with? How can we grow stronger together as neighboring nations in friendship?

We see that you are still at war with Vox. How is that going? Is there any hope of a resolution on this age old war?

Let us know your thoughts on these matters.

Let us keep the lines of communication open.

your friend,
The Diplomatic Banana,


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[Daddy-O]

I'll post the following when I check email and there is nothing. This way you'll know when I'm tending to diplo duties or someone else should pick up the slack.

:zzz:

[Wise Ass]

It would figure, the explanation would be in the last of the three diplo posts I read.

[Daddy-O]

From Gathering Storm...

Subject: Greetings from Gathering Storm


:fanfare:

O worthy Bananistas,

I bring warm greetings from the Stormian high command, thanking you
for the recent trade.

We would like to assure you that the war with the snivelling
religion-rustlers of the pitiful Voxian Empire is going well, and that
their days on our fine continent are as assuredly numbered as the
mighty and regal fruit of the banana is tasty and nutritious. There is
no possibility of co-existance with the Voxians, who live only to
entertain us until they die.

There is one matter in which you may be able to offer us some
assistance, for which we would be most grateful. Do you have knowledge
of any fledgling cities which they have sprouted away from their
capital? It might be that your scouts have encountered such a pimple
on their travels to the south of your lands. Such information, should
you have it in your possesion, would be warmly appreciated in the
hallowed halls of our regal palace.

With all our gracious respect and goodwill,

Cort Haus,
Envoy,
Gathering Storm.

:bow:

[Daddy-O]

My reply...

Stormian Envoy Cort Haus,
Well met. It is too bad that the Voxians will not live in peace with you. We know very little of them or their ways except through the stories recently told through these lands. The tales are slanted to the Vox point of view but speak of great battles with your brave Stormian Gaurd. I will pass your request onto our Mastro Turn Ludisto to see if there are any maps of Voxian "pimples" within view.

You are welcome for the trade. It is hoped that we will continue to grow this friendship between our peoples. We will need to stay strong together as I have heard rumors of peoples we call Malbonaj that live across the seas.

In a time before any can remember. There were great wars. Not the heroic wars that the Stormian have fought with Vox but terrible unthinkable wars. The Great Banana, whose name shall not be spoken, saw that this was not right. He lowered the land and filled the chasm with the seas. On this side, on Nia Kontinento he put the Homoj De Boneco (the Peoples of Goodness). Yes, we believe that even Vox, if they could ever stop this war against you are Boneco along with Gathering Storm, the Alpha Centurians, and Banana. On the other side of the waters The Great Banana placed peoples we call Malbonaj Homoj on a place called Ilia Lando, some call it Baldaŭ Estas Nia. The Malbonaj are said to be vile, tricky, babyeaters, and generally - well malbonaj. If any set foot on this Nia Kontinento it is hoped that all of the Boneco could set aside their differences and see the Malbonaj for the threat they are.

If we have any information that can bring a faster end to this GS-Vox War I will pass it on. Watch for a reply soon. Stay strong against Vox.

Vivu La Banano!!!
Vivu Boneco!
-The Diplomatic Banana

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I committed to nothing.
I spoke of reasons mythical reasons why the peoples of this continent should grow strong together.
I encouraged them in their fight against Vox.

I hope that was OK.

Do we have any screenies that show Vox cities?
Do we want to send these screenies to GS?

I vote that if we have screenies of Vox cities - we send them. Team Banana seemed agreed to helping keep this GS-Vox War around to weaken both sides on that war. Selling or trading locations would do that.

Ideas?

[Addled Platypus]

agreed on committing to nothing

lets say we do send such info to GS....what good will it do us in the long run, other than being next on thier hit list....hopefuly Vox has weaken them to some degree

We need some screenies soon before we decide this deilcate matter

[Daddy-O]

Don't worry. I will not send screenies with out the team's strong agreement on this.

I agree that without Vox in the fight, we are next.

I just didn't want to sound like we were refusing to help.

I am sure that when we do reply it will be more like, "um yea. we looked but can't see any Vox cities. Wish we could help. Good luck in the war."

[fed1943]

and it's true. We just saw two AC cities; nothing more.

Best regards,

[Daddy-O]

Is that the capital plus 1 nearby? Can I give GS names to the Vox cities we know of? What are those cities?

[Addled Platypus]

send a reply to GS by when ??

[Daddy-O]

I told them I'd send a reply soon, but I have nothing to send.

I am told that we can see only two Voxian cities. What are the names of these? Do we want to help GS with screenies or simply tell them we have nothing new for them. GS is in or near our lands. They might be able to see what we see and could be testing us.

Team Banana want the GS-Vox war to continue and we want to stay out of it. I am in favor of say to GS something like, "We can only see the Vox cities of V1 & V2 that I am sure you are aware of we will like you know if we find others."

I'd like to send a reply today or tonight but I need 2 things.

1 - Vox city names that we are able to see.
2 - the team's agreement.

[Wise Ass]

I agree, send them names but noscreens. I think the wording should be along the lines of "we are only currently aware of Vox1 and Vox2, our scouts indicate their lands do not provide for superior banana growth, and so we've yet to explore them."

If we don't commit to informing them of future findings it will be a sign of goodwill if and when we do find one and inform them of it.

[Daddy-O]

Does anyone know the names of Vox1 and Vox2?

I like Wise Ass's approach. No promises.

[Addled Platypus]

I like Wise Ass's approach. No promises.

very wise indeed

[Will9]

From what I can tell from Donegeal's posts the Vox capital is "The Voice"

[Daddy-O]

I looked at all the screenies from 700BC. Where are these two Vox cities that we know of? I don't see any room on the minimap for Vox Cities. We know of the placement of 2? Where and what are the names?

I'd like to go to GS with at least some city names.

Please help.

[fed1943]

I think you understood wrong what I said:

We just know of two AC (not Vox) cities.

Best regards,

[Daddy-O]

Yes I did misunderstand. Thanks. Word being sent to GS that we know of no, zero, none Vox cities.

[Daddy-O]

Sent to GS...

Stormian Envoy Cort Haus,

Our maps keeper went over his view of the known world. It is true that we have bumped into Voxian troops and women fleeing the mighty Stormians but we have yet to identify where exactly their cities are. These cities must truly be (as you called them) pimples on Nia Kontinento.

We will keep our eyes peeled.

Vivu La Banano!!!
Vivu Boneco!
-The Diplomatic Banana

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[Wise Ass]

lol we'll keep our eyes peeled I like that :)

[Daddy-O]

Thanks. I try.

[Daddy-O]

What do we want to offer to GS if anything?

[Will9]

Originally posted by Daddy-O
What do we want to offer to GS if anything?

That the northern half of the continent won't be controled by mad men. And if we survive, we will give them a few techs once we can.

[Daddy-O]

Sent to GS

Subject: GS & Banana Diplo: HELP!!!!
Stormian Envoy,
The good people of Team Banana were recently attacked by the Alpha Centurians. There was never a hint of conflict between AC and Team Banana. Since the dawn of time we co-ordinated tech research, planned roads, and even asked for the Centurians input on the placement of our next city before they kidnapped our happy band of settlers armed only with banana flavored ice cream treats.

Team Banana has been a friend to the Gathering Storm as well. We have promised to keep our eyes peeled for new Vox cities in order to support your war effort. Team Banana asks for your aide in this desperate time.

This aide could be an attack on AC, a city swap, what ever you can think of. We have little to repay you with now and we could come to terms or payment later.

We are going to Vox as well to ask for their aide in this matter. Until now we have had little to do with them as we were respecting your wishes during the GS/Vox War. We hope you know that now is the time to set aside your differences with Vox. If you and Vox continue to weaken each other and Team Banana is defeated you must know that the Alpha Centurians will target you next. Please remember that we thought we had a friend in Alpha Centuri right until they attacked.

Vivu La Banano
-The Diplomatic Banana



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[Daddy-O]

No help from GS. Please note this was sent only minutes after AC replied. I think they are consulting with each other.


Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:40:08 +0100
From: "Gathering Storm" <gatheringspam@googlemail.com>
To: thediplomaticbanana@yahoo.com
Subject: AC


O worthy Bananistas,

We are sorry to hear that AC have felt that their interests lie with
an expansionist policy that is to your detriment. We are genuinely
sorry to hear of the terrible fate of the banana flavored ice cream
treats.

While we sympathise with your plight, and appreciate your goodwill
with regards to our aims of locating the Voxian outpost, our marauding
divisions have since discovered the location of their settlement.

Our policy towards Vox must remain steadfast, however, and as our
focus is not to be diverted from this aim, material miltary aid is not
available for other purposes such as war with another Civ. In
addition, while we must indeed be wary of AC's potential, the
long-term outlook would probably not favour a perpetual struggle for
total dominance of this continent by any one Civ, as there is another
continent to consider, who might gain long term advantage from
prolonged conflict on this one.

Hence, at this point, we regret that we are unable to comply with your
request for material intervention against AC, though we wish you well
in your defence of your realm.

Regards,

Cort Haus
Envoy for Gathering Storm

[Nugog]

In other words:

"Ac and us have a deal - kiss you arse goodbye"

[Wise Ass]

what about technology, they have to have some techs we don't and it would be likely no loss to them at this point if they gifted them to us. We should at least ask and it will prove at least somewhat certainly that they do have a deal with AC if they decline.

[Will9]

They might not have Alphabet. We'll have to have someone check if we can tech trade with them.

[Nugog]

Fed - I deleted the save - can you check this please?

[fed1943]

Storm has Alpha. They can trade Alpha, Archery and Construction.

We have no techs to trade with them.

Best regards,

[Nugog]

Ok - who is going to go begging?

Archery would be nice - but I suspect it may be too late now.....

[Will9]

It can't hurt to ask.

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Nugog
Ok - who is going to go begging?


I vote for you Will9.

[Will9]

If someone could tell GS's email I'll ask.

[Will9]

Nevermind I'm writing it now.

[Will9]

Sent this

Stormian Envoy Cort Haus,

These are dark times for bananas. Alpha Centauri comes ever closer to us and we see little way to survive. We have recently learned that you know the secrets of Archery. This knowledge could help us survive or cause as much pain as possible to AC before they defeat us. Any help you give us would weaken AC and possibly make AC weaker than you. If you could us Archery the Great Banana would look knidly upon you.

Vivu la Banano!
Vivu la Storm!

The Diplomatic Banana
Vol
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[Daddy-O]

excellent!

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Daddy-O
excellent!

:b:

Yes - their response will show us what alliances if any exist.

[Addled Platypus]

many thanks Mistero !!

[Daddy-O]

We have much to discuss and it is being lost across too many threads. Please come here.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=167746

[Nugog]

:nod:

[Daddy-O]

I sent the following to GS' email from The Diplomatic Banana.


Subject: Gathering Storm & Banana Diplo
Stormian Envoy,
Your people are mighty and your continued friendship in these difficult times is welcome. We enthusiastically granted you the open borders agreement. We kindly ask that you consider the following proposals:

1 - A city trade - Our lovely size 2, seaside, Splitsville for a city of yours preferably away from the Herezuloj, followers of the Yang from Rigil Kentaurus. I included pictures of Splitsville.

2 - You gift us the art of Archery now; You direct our next tech to research and we gift it to you when discovered.

3 - Now that we have opened our borders, maybe your troops could stand between the advancing Yangs and our cities. The RKs seem to respect you.

Please consider these proposals as separate. Please consider offering any other trades that you'd prefer.

We apologize that these proposals were not made in game this turn; we wanted to get the game moving and know this could take some discussion. If further discussion is needed on these offers we will be watching our email for your reply. If any of these are acceptable let's do this in game ASAP - like your next turn.

Vivu La Banano
The Diplomatic Banana



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I hope I didn't overstep my role here.
I also included the following 3 pix...

[Daddy-O]

pic 1

[Daddy-O]

pic 2

[Daddy-O]

pic 3

[fed1943]

You performed well, Daddy-O.

We have nothing to lose, and perhaps...

Best regards,

[Nugog]

Originally posted by Daddy-O
I hope I didn't overstep my role here.


Not at all mate - well done!

[Daddy-O]

I am sending the following in a few minutes. I should have sent this timed with the turn but I was busy and I doubt it would have helped. If GS and AC (Oh I hate the RKs!) are friendlies then AC just might get news of our sneak attack coming from the East. If we can pull even one AC troop to the east looking for us it might buy us some time.


People of the Gathering Storm,
Team Banana offers you the gift of Common Sense. See in these graphs that Nia Kontinento is about to become a one nation continent. Can you not see the obvious? After the Herezuloj - Heretics & Haters of all that is good - the Rigil Kentaurians are done with Team Banana they are coming for you. The RKs will out produce you and dominate with no one to stop them.

It is obvious that our troops are making a run for Splitville but we have a contingent moving to the east that will hold back until Splitsville comes under seige. Then we will have the RKs trapped or at least surprised. Is there anyway we can co-ordinate our fight? Help us in this effort.

Attack the heretics now and preserve Nia Kontinento for all the Homoj De Boneco!

Zip-ee-de-do-da!
The Diplomatic Banana




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[Nugog]

:b:

[Wise Ass]

I love it!