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HitAnyKey

January 8, 2006, 16:52

Ok, I'm looking to start a PBEM game. This'll be my first one on here and with multiple people.

I'm pretty open to ideas of what options people will want, so if you want to play, let me know. Currently my thoughts are this:

Continents (I tend to be partial to this, but I'm still flexibile if other people want something else)
Size: Standard or Small (depending on # of players)
Climate: Temperate

Everything else probably just using the defaults unless people want something else. I'd prefer Random choice of Civs.

Anyone that's interested let me know so some decisions can be made and a game started.

sabrewolf

January 13, 2006, 09:12

i'd be up for another game if we start with a non-ancient start (the first turns are very tedious in PBEM)... :)

HitAnyKey

January 13, 2006, 09:44

Non-Ancient works for me. I'm up for something different. I'll just have to re-read up on how to set up a good non-ancient game as I havn't done that yet with Civ4 and it's been awhile since I did it with Civ3.

Any other settings or stuff you'd prefer?

sabrewolf

January 13, 2006, 10:35

it's very simple to set it up. you just select it from the dropdown ;)

and the cool thing: the "later" you start, the more you get. i've got 2 non-ancient PBEMs going:
- classic: you begin with an archer, a scout, a settler and a worker.
- industrial: 3 settlers, 3 riflemen, 2 explorers, 2 workers. your cities also start at size 3 and have 2-3 improvements already built in it.

so something else than these two starts would be preferable for me. medieval or renaissance or modern are all fine!

one downside of the "later" starts: the religions get distributed randomly after about 3-5 turns. if you are lucky to get one of them, it's great. otherwise you'll have to get stuff that usually is not high priority (such as philosophy, theology or divine right)

other stuff: not too easy AIs otherwise they can be exploited too easily with trades and alliances. a tougher AI (they are weaker in MP than in SP) such as monarch makes it less likely that he'll be misused to one player's advantage...

HitAnyKey

January 13, 2006, 10:42

Cool. I'll start looking into more specifics tonight and deciding which way to start things out.

We still need a few more players though, so anyone else that wants in toss a reply!! :D

I've love to get this game started either Saturday night or sometime Sunday.

As an FYI, I'm in the EST timezone and can do turns after 7pm EST or right at 7:30am EST during the week. I'll figure out turn orders once we get a couple more players and I know everyone's timezones and normal connection times.

koningtiger

January 14, 2006, 05:47

I am in if you want. I would vote for medieval start.

Random civ is ok for me.

My timezone is GMT+1 and i usually play after 23:00(GMT+1), my email is Gildor_Calafalas[at]hotmail[dot]com.

Thanks.

sabrewolf

January 14, 2006, 06:44

i usually play my turns until 23:00 GMT, which overlaps with the play time of koningtiger. so i'll in future prioritise this game ahead of others. so put me in before him in the play order.

as for the civilisation choice: i first need to know what game type before i can choose the civ... :)

HitAnyKey

January 14, 2006, 20:44

Well my game title pretty much says it all. I was thinking of doing as many settings as possible as Random.

Per your suggestions, I think I'll go with Midieval.

For Game type, I'm thinking of taking a few of the map types (Continents, Terra, Pangea, Inland Sea) and putting the names in a hat and drawing one randomly. Give me suggestions of other ones you might want tossed into the random mix or if you want any taken out.

Sea Level & Shoreline would be Random.

All the Civs (including ours) would be Random, and also using the Random Personalities option (though still don't fully even know what that does...but it has 'random' in it, so may as well try it :D ).

I'm thinking of keeping it at Temperate climate, since the others might just be too annoying for this type of game.

I'm also thinking 3 AI's, with the difficulties at Prince or Monarch (probably Monarch as requested).

If it stays just us 3 players then I'll make it a Small map. If we get another player or two, might make it a Large map. Or if everyone prefers, I'll keep it at the small map and just remove some of the AI's.

sabrewolf

January 14, 2006, 21:05

small, standard or large are all fine for me. the more AI, the more fun, but we can also play with less than full spots (more space). it's up to you!

random personalities basically means that the traits are random. for instance saladin could be organised and aggressive instead of spiritual and philosophical. but he'd still have the same unique unit.

looking forward to this game :b:

sabrewolf

January 14, 2006, 21:05

by the way, my email address is sabrewolf AT blackhole DOT ch

HitAnyKey

January 14, 2006, 22:12

Ok, I'm going to give it until as late as possible tomorrow night and then I'll start up the game. That'll leave time for one or two more players to jump in just before I start it up.

So anyone reading this thread, let me know your timezone and normal playtime so I can set the play order and also toss me your email addy.

My plan is to probably toss out the turns around midnight'ish EST Sunday night. Unless no one else joins up tomorrow and you both want to wait another day or so for more players. But I'm cool with just the three of us and a handful of AI's if no one else joins.

sabrewolf

January 16, 2006, 04:45

it looks like no one else has been looking. if you want, i can ask somebody else. there are some very reliable players that i know of...

HitAnyKey

January 16, 2006, 07:43

Go for it if you want. I'm going to start the game up whenI get home from work tonight, so if anyone joins up in the meantime then I'll add them to the game.

HitAnyKey

January 16, 2006, 19:22

Since you guys are already into the wee hours of the morning and won't be doing your turn until tomorrow (morning or night) anyway, I'm going to hold off on starting the game until later tonight for myself.

If no one else decides to join between now and then, I'll kick off the first turn to Sabre.

If anyone else wants to play, let me know before 11pm EST, which is when I'll start this game off.

koningtiger

January 16, 2006, 20:55

K, ready when you want.

HitAnyKey

January 17, 2006, 00:24

Turn has been sent to Sabre.

sabrewolf

January 17, 2006, 05:12

0575bc to koningtiger

koningtiger

January 17, 2006, 08:23

Since i dont have your email, HitAnyKey, i will post your turn here, can you sent me your address?

Good luck to all, a crap start location for me :(

HitAnyKey

January 17, 2006, 08:40

Woops, my bad. Heh.

Anyway, I've PM'd ya my email addy. I'll be able to do my turn when I get home from work tonight.

HitAnyKey

January 17, 2006, 08:42

Oh and my start location was crap too. Have my settler and warrior separated by a body of water. Trying to find my way around it now.

sabrewolf

January 17, 2006, 10:52

i'm not too thrilled by my start either, being so close to one of the poles, thus only being able to expand in one direction. though, it could be worse...

but i do like the medieval start! not having to go through the tedious early stuff makes it really much more fun :b:

sabrewolf

January 17, 2006, 10:52

HitAnyKey: how many AI players did you add?

HitAnyKey

January 17, 2006, 11:05

I think I thew in 2 AI's at Monarch difficulty with a Small map.

sabrewolf

January 17, 2006, 11:31

cool!

now as long as it isn't montezuma, tokugawa or another of those aggressive bastards, it's gonna be fun :)

by the way: religions will be distributed within a few turns. however, only 4 of them will come (budd, hind, juda, conf), so one player will be unlucky :( ... let's hope it's an AI player!

HitAnyKey

January 18, 2006, 12:39

Oh crap, just realized I forgot to do this turn last night because it wasn't in my email because koning had to attach it to the thread. :shame:
I've just emailed it to myself as a reminder so that I remember to do it as soon as I get home.

sabrewolf

January 18, 2006, 13:03

shït happens ;)

koningtiger

January 18, 2006, 14:54

Dont worry, i didnt saw your pm becouse if we are not premium members the site dont advise us about new pm. I have your email now.

HitAnyKey

January 18, 2006, 18:40

Turn has been played and passed.

sabrewolf

January 18, 2006, 18:47

0550bc to koningtiger

koningtiger

January 18, 2006, 19:27

Turn for HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

January 18, 2006, 19:37

525 sent to Sabre

sabrewolf

January 19, 2006, 02:18

525bc to koningtiger

koningtiger

January 19, 2006, 08:32

year 500 to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

January 19, 2006, 20:19

GPS on to Sabre

sabrewolf

January 20, 2006, 01:55

500 to the unlucky guy outside of my city borders...

koningtiger

January 20, 2006, 04:44

Turn for Hit, and war will be, i dont like war since turn 1, but its better than in an ancient start. :(

HitAnyKey

January 20, 2006, 07:14

Kickin it back to Sabre.

sabrewolf

January 20, 2006, 08:00

Originally posted by koningtiger
Turn for Hit, and war will be, i dont like war since turn 1, but its better than in an ancient start. :(

sorry, i did not want war either. i just could not afford losing a city too early on. i have offered you a fair compensation which is still negotiable!

HitAnyKey

January 20, 2006, 08:04

Are you guys already being bad little boys and not playing nice together? :)

sabrewolf

January 20, 2006, 13:45

0475bc to koning

we had an unfortunate start i guess... :(

koningtiger

January 20, 2006, 14:45

If this was a ladder game, you will see how unfortunate start this would be. :naughty:

Ok, send your peace offer and i will accept it, btw declaring war when i had an archer so near of your city was too risky, what would have happen if you would have lost your archer? :rolleyes:

Ahm..turn sent to HitAnyKey

sabrewolf

January 20, 2006, 16:10

koning: if i would have lost?
honestly? ... i'm happy i did not loose. reloading is cheating and i detest that. on the other hand it would have meant an immediate loss. so as said earlier: lucky that it wasn't an issue.

on another note: hitanykey: how comes we are all SO close? it seems like a tiny map with 15 players :lol: ;)

HitAnyKey

January 20, 2006, 18:33

GPS on to Sabre.

And I don't know why we're all so close. We are a total of 5 Civs on a Small map. Maybe I should have done Standard. But I figured Small was good enough for 5 Civs.

sabrewolf

January 20, 2006, 18:46

0450bc to kon

i guess the medieval start makes it seem more cluttered because we started with so many unit...

koningtiger

January 20, 2006, 19:03

Turn for HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

January 20, 2006, 19:18

And back to Sabre again.

sabrewolf

January 21, 2006, 13:13

0425bc to k

wow, just 5 turns into the game and i have already met all 5 civs. strangely all seem to be on the southern hemisphere... wierd...

HitAnyKey

January 23, 2006, 18:44

GPS to Sabre yet again.

sabrewolf

January 24, 2006, 02:15

0400bc to g

koningtiger

January 24, 2006, 02:26

Turn for HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

January 24, 2006, 07:25

GPS back to Sabre

sabrewolf

January 24, 2006, 13:23

0375bc to koningtiger

koningtiger

January 24, 2006, 14:32

I have not received the turn sabrewolf.

sabrewolf

January 24, 2006, 15:21

resent...

koningtiger

January 24, 2006, 16:12

Turn for HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

January 24, 2006, 20:18

GPS to Sabre

sabrewolf

January 25, 2006, 02:07

0350bc to k

HitAnyKey

January 25, 2006, 07:18

325 BC back to Sabre.

sabrewolf

January 25, 2006, 14:14

0325bc to konig

koningtiger

January 25, 2006, 14:34

Turn for HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

January 25, 2006, 19:07

Back to Sabre

sabrewolf

January 26, 2006, 02:17

0300bc to g

koningtiger

January 26, 2006, 09:25

Turn for HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

January 26, 2006, 20:46

:b:

sabrewolf

January 27, 2006, 13:03

0275bc to ko

whoah guys, check out the scores! we are all so extremely close :eek:

koningtiger

January 27, 2006, 13:33

Turn for HitAnyKey.

Yes, we are all very near in score, but i with an archer less....grrrrr. :cute:

sabrewolf

January 27, 2006, 13:43

you'll get the archer back once i have money to afford it. currently i'm struggling with money... :(

koningtiger

January 27, 2006, 14:31

The same thing here, now i get the picture of how expensive are some civics.

HitAnyKey

January 27, 2006, 20:07

Koningtiger, when you did this last post did you mean to send me the turn? Because I havn't gotten it yet.

koningtiger

January 27, 2006, 20:12

Originally posted by koningtiger
Turn for HitAnyKey.

Yes, we are all very near in score, but i with an archer less....grrrrr. :cute:

I sent you the turn at same time of this post. I will send you again now.

HitAnyKey

January 27, 2006, 20:20

Ok, turn sent to Sabre

sabrewolf

January 28, 2006, 09:16

0250bc to ko

koningtiger

January 30, 2006, 05:06

Turn for HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

January 30, 2006, 07:09

Back to Sabre

sabrewolf

January 30, 2006, 14:40

0225bc to kon

koningtiger

January 30, 2006, 15:29

Turn for HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

January 30, 2006, 18:52

:b: to Sabre

sabrewolf

January 31, 2006, 12:57

0200bc to koningtiger

koningtiger

January 31, 2006, 14:52

175 bc to HitAnyKey

sabrewolf

February 1, 2006, 02:19

0175bc to GC

koningtiger

February 1, 2006, 08:02

150bc to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 1, 2006, 08:09

GPS to Sabre

sabrewolf

February 1, 2006, 16:07

0150bc to ko

koningtiger

February 1, 2006, 16:43

125bc to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 1, 2006, 19:31

And around to Sabre

sabrewolf

February 2, 2006, 02:30

C - 1/8 * 1000

(= 0125bc ;))
to kon

koningtiger

February 2, 2006, 11:06

100bc to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 2, 2006, 20:42

back to sabre

sabrewolf

February 3, 2006, 02:15

0100bc to k

koningtiger

February 3, 2006, 10:20

75bc to HitAnyKey

Strange...the points have changed a bit.

sabrewolf

February 3, 2006, 10:35

some religious centres and the AI capitals have expanded their borders just a turn ago, maybe that's why?!?

HitAnyKey

February 3, 2006, 19:31

Turn back to Sabre

sabrewolf

February 3, 2006, 20:17

0075bc to g

koningtiger

February 3, 2006, 20:38

50bc to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 3, 2006, 23:58

back to Sabre

sabrewolf

February 4, 2006, 05:55

0050bc to kon

koningtiger

February 4, 2006, 08:34

25bc to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 4, 2006, 10:01

To Sabre.

sabrewolf

February 4, 2006, 10:35

0025bc to kon

last turn before the AD years :b:

koningtiger

February 4, 2006, 10:46

1ad to HitAnyKey

This is the end of the Dark Ages, begins the Hellenic Age. :naughty:

HitAnyKey

February 4, 2006, 17:57

GPS to Sabre

sabrewolf

February 4, 2006, 19:03

can you resend? it still has not arrived :(

HitAnyKey

February 4, 2006, 20:03

I resent it again. hopefullyyou got it this time.

sabrewolf

February 4, 2006, 20:45

nope, it hasn't. looks like it is a problem with the domain email redirection. can you attach it here?

HitAnyKey

February 4, 2006, 20:51

Here's the game. Let's try it.

sabrewolf

February 4, 2006, 20:59

thanks :b:

0001ad to koningtiger

koningtiger

February 5, 2006, 03:45

25 ad to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 5, 2006, 10:03

Sent to Sabre again. Let me know if you don't get it again.

sabrewolf

February 5, 2006, 10:15

i'm afraid my provider has problems with emails. can you post it until further notice on this thread? thanks :)

HitAnyKey

February 5, 2006, 10:23

Ok. Well go slap your provider so I don't have to do this anymore. :)

sabrewolf

February 5, 2006, 10:34

sorry about that!

0025ad to kon

koningtiger

February 5, 2006, 13:00

50ad to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 5, 2006, 13:38

Turn sent to Sabre

HitAnyKey

February 5, 2006, 13:39

I keep forgetting to attach it here. Used to emailing it...

sabrewolf

February 5, 2006, 15:13

0050ad to kon

thanks for attaching. you can delete the attachments ;)

koningtiger

February 5, 2006, 15:28

75ad to HitAnyKey

This game is great, we are really fast. ;)

sabrewolf

February 5, 2006, 15:32

yep :b:

HitAnyKey

February 5, 2006, 23:11

Here's the turn to Sabre

sabrewolf

February 6, 2006, 14:32

0075ad to kon

koningtiger

February 6, 2006, 15:03

100ad to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 6, 2006, 19:46

Sabre's turn...

sabrewolf

February 7, 2006, 10:58

ok, it has been fixed! as of immediately, you can send it again to my regular address. you can now also delete all attachments.

thanks and sorry for the extra work!

PS: no need to send this again. i've already downloaded it.

sabrewolf

February 7, 2006, 15:09

0100ad to koningtiger

koningtiger

February 7, 2006, 15:33

125ad to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 7, 2006, 18:47

GPS to Sabre

sabrewolf

February 7, 2006, 19:14

0125ad to gc

koningtiger

February 7, 2006, 21:03

150ad to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 7, 2006, 22:48

150 to Sabre

sabrewolf

February 8, 2006, 18:23

0150ad to kon

sorry for the delay. busy day...

koningtiger

February 8, 2006, 19:12

175ad to HitAnyKey

sabrewolf

February 9, 2006, 02:21

0175ad to kon

koningtiger

February 9, 2006, 11:14

200ad to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 9, 2006, 23:49

turn sent back to Sabre.

PS. I'm not long for this world. I think the Barbarians may make me lose this game shortly....

PPS. I am going on a Cruise next week. So if I play at all on Saturday, it will be the last time I'll be able to send a turn until Sunday the 19th when I return.

koningtiger

February 10, 2006, 01:06

Soon the barbs will reach my cities too.

Well, i hope you will get fun on that Cruise.

sabrewolf

February 10, 2006, 04:45

well, that is the sole advantage of being bang-in-the-middle: barbarians are not so common.

HAK: 1 week break does no harm. so unless you know someone you trust, i'm perfectly fine with waiting.

by then maybe even the next (and last) patch should be out, from what i heard from a beta tester.

HitAnyKey

February 10, 2006, 10:45

Originally posted by sabrewolf by then maybe even the next (and last) patch should be out, from what i heard from a beta tester.
Yeah, it's supposed to be out on the 15th.

koningtiger

February 10, 2006, 11:09

Btw, can you send me the turn sabre?

sabrewolf

February 10, 2006, 11:20

sorry, i did not have time to play this morning. will send it this evening :)

sabrewolf

February 10, 2006, 19:30

to kon

koningtiger

February 10, 2006, 21:23

Sent to HitAnyKey. I hope you will have a good holidays.

HitAnyKey

February 11, 2006, 00:51

I got off one more quick turn before bed. Though I don't think it's really going to really matter too much...since I think this Barb Horse Archer is going to take my second city this next round. That'll be two cities this Barb will have destroyed and there won't be much left of me for this game.

koningtiger

February 11, 2006, 06:12

Sorry to listen that, i am playing a strange game with 2 barb axemen, and some scouts.

sabrewolf

February 11, 2006, 08:58

0225ad to koningtiger

horse archer barbarians??? wow, i have not seen such since i played a emperor level game :eek: (and failed brutally ;))

koningtiger

February 12, 2006, 10:41

Sent to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 20, 2006, 10:20

Well there goes my second city....

And I had such a really awesome starting position with lots of resources around both my first and second city....*sigh*

Suppose I should have worked up more military to start with...dosn't look like I'm long for this world. Especially if my last Archer can't beat this horse archer barb in the next 2 turns.

sabrewolf

February 20, 2006, 13:11

oops, looking nasty for you :eek:
i feel pity for you!

why can't the barbs be killing one of my 3 evil neighbors who are squashing me in? ;)

sabrewolf

February 20, 2006, 13:13

oh... and welcome back! hope you had nice holidays!

sabrewolf

February 20, 2006, 15:18

0250ad to kon

koningtiger

February 20, 2006, 17:22

Sent to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 21, 2006, 02:37

On to Sabre

sabrewolf

February 21, 2006, 18:01

0275ad to kon

koningtiger

February 21, 2006, 19:10

300 AD to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 22, 2006, 00:35

GPS to sabre

sabrewolf

February 22, 2006, 03:23

0300ad to kon

koningtiger

February 22, 2006, 07:30

325 AD to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 22, 2006, 23:25

Back around to Sabre.

sabrewolf

February 23, 2006, 16:39

0325ad to kon

koningtiger

February 23, 2006, 18:19

350 to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 23, 2006, 22:19

Back to Sabre.

Working up to try to take back that city the Barbs took from me. Just gotta wait for it to grow back to a Pop 2 so I don't destroy it when I take it back. *sigh*

sabrewolf

February 24, 2006, 02:24

0350ad to kon

good luck with that! let's hope the barbs ain't poprushing!

koningtiger

February 24, 2006, 08:36

375 ad to HitAnyKey

And good luck

HitAnyKey

February 25, 2006, 00:12

GPS to Sabre

Yeah, true. I just hope this damn city increases to Pop 2 soon. I'm getting tired of waiting and it's really hurting me now having my 2nd city

sabrewolf

February 25, 2006, 08:01

0375bc to königtiger

in civ3 you could recapture a city without razing it if you had culture before it was taken. isn't this the same in civ4?

HitAnyKey

February 26, 2006, 09:36

I don't know and I don't want to risk it. I can't afford to have this city be destroyed...but I think I can afford to let the Barbs have it for a handful more turs. I just hope it grows soon.

sabrewolf

February 26, 2006, 13:41

i think we could both live with it if you tried. if it doesn't work, you can reload methinks (agreed, koning?)

koningtiger

February 27, 2006, 07:36

Of course.

koningtiger

February 27, 2006, 07:48

400 ad to HitAnyKey, and go ahead with that reconquest.

HitAnyKey

February 27, 2006, 19:47

Actually my Archer's can't take the city from the Barb Horse Archer. I'll have to wait 2 turns for my War Elephant to be built and then send it down and pray that it can take out the fortified Barb.

Back to Sabre..

sabrewolf

February 28, 2006, 02:15

0400ad to kon

koningtiger

February 28, 2006, 06:33

425 ad to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 28, 2006, 08:38

Back to Sabre

sabrewolf

February 28, 2006, 14:10

0425ad to kon

HAK: ah, you're getting 'phants to help you out :)

HitAnyKey

February 28, 2006, 14:42

Yeah, I need them. Archer's can't take out Horse Archers that are fortified in a city....ever. (and yes, I tried...both died instantly) :(

sabrewolf

February 28, 2006, 15:17

you tried it with archers? :eek:

i've got a decent axeman which could do the job, but by then you'll have enough elephants to solve the problem...

HitAnyKey

February 28, 2006, 15:34

Originally posted by sabrewolf you tried it with archers? :eek:Hey, you told me to!:tongue:

Actually, I did it just for the fun of it. Their percentage to win was almost non-existant. I knew they'd lose.

sabrewolf

February 28, 2006, 15:42

interesting what you consider fun :lol:

koningtiger

February 28, 2006, 20:01

450 AD to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

February 28, 2006, 21:07

GPS to Sabre

sabrewolf

March 1, 2006, 16:14

0450ad to koning

koningtiger

March 1, 2006, 22:24

475 ad to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

March 1, 2006, 23:19

Back to Sabre.

2 more turns til we find out whether I'm actually long for this world or of I'm doomed. :)

sabrewolf

March 2, 2006, 16:22

0475ad to kon

sabrewolf

March 3, 2006, 19:31

guys, i'll be out for a skiing trip this weekend and won't be able to play 'till sunday evening! sorry for breaking the pace here!

HitAnyKey

March 4, 2006, 15:09

Turn back to Sabre. Hope you're having fun! :)

Next turn I get to see if I can start working on taking back my city...which now has both the Horse Archer and a new Archer. :(

sabrewolf

March 5, 2006, 15:44

0500ad to kon

good luck, HAK! don't worry, your elephant can take out both!

HitAnyKey

March 6, 2006, 07:07

It got the Archer first...now just gotta wait 3 turns for it to heal so it can take out the Horse Archer.

sabrewolf

March 6, 2006, 13:05

don't forget that the horse archer has no defensive bonuses... but anyhow, good luck :b:

HitAnyKey

March 6, 2006, 14:00

But the Culture Bonus of the city (which luckily is only 20%) still adds to it. And it gets the Fortify bonus.

sabrewolf

March 6, 2006, 15:56

i don't think the either culture nor the fortification bonus counts. do you see that in the combat estimation (holding the right mousebutton and dragging over the enemy (warning: letting go will attack!))?

0520ad to kon

koningtiger

March 7, 2006, 05:50

540 ad to HitAnyKey

With the aztecs under your command sabre, i think this game will end soon.

HitAnyKey

March 7, 2006, 06:49

Yeah, I noticed that combat stuff too as my explorer walked passed.

Though I did finally just take back my city. Woo!

PS. You were right, the Horse Archer had no defensive bonuses in the city. Neither from Fortifaction or from the Culture. I never knew that before now.

sabrewolf

March 7, 2006, 11:06

Originally posted by koningtiger
With the aztecs under your command sabre, i think this game will end soon.

by being stuff betweek mansa, you, the aztecs and tundra, i had no other choice that to attack.
seeing that i only had copper and monty got feudalism (longbows) i had to attack with axemen... and soon...

lucky that the barbarians had been storming in before so i could train my axemen quite decently before taking on monty AND, i had a wonderful battle where my axeman did not even experience a single dent!! :D

anyhow, the many cities are crippling me already, taking the aztec capital (should i succeed) won't make it easier...

sabrewolf

March 7, 2006, 11:12

Originally posted by HitAnyKey
Though I did finally just take back my city. Woo!
well done!

PS. You were right, the Horse Archer had no defensive bonuses in the city. Neither from Fortifaction or from the Culture. I never knew that before now.
i think the only defensive bonus they get are the combat promotions.

this is imho a great feature of civ4 because it makes your fast-movers very vulnerable to counter-attack while tough to stop otherwise...

sabrewolf

March 7, 2006, 14:07

0540ad to kon

koningtiger

March 7, 2006, 16:17

560 ad to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

March 7, 2006, 20:10

560 around to Sabre

sabrewolf

March 8, 2006, 14:40

0560ad to kon

HitAnyKey

March 9, 2006, 01:51

Turn to Sabre.

sabrewolf

March 9, 2006, 16:53

0580ad to the tiger

HitAnyKey

March 11, 2006, 00:58

I do believe I sent the turn to Sabre earlier tonight. If I didn't, please smack me tomorrow and make sure I do it.

sabrewolf

March 11, 2006, 06:39

actually i did receive the game at 1AM local time. just after i had shut down the PC ;)

0600ad to kon

sabrewolf

March 13, 2006, 16:53

0620ad to kon

koningtiger

March 14, 2006, 04:16

640 dc to HitAnyKey, and bad news to SabreWolf .....or perhaps good news...:D

Sabrewolf will kill us all. :(

HitAnyKey

March 14, 2006, 07:48

And back to Sabre.

sabrewolf

March 14, 2006, 09:50

bad news to me? why? did you attack?

no, i won't kill you all. i can't even get montezuma to surrender :eek:

sabrewolf

March 14, 2006, 15:10

0640ad to kon

damn mansa :rant:

HitAnyKey

March 14, 2006, 15:42

What'd Mansa do?

sabrewolf

March 15, 2006, 06:53

declare war on me :rant: ... and suicide his catapult to promote mine ;)

but his capital is defended by 1 longbowman and 4 skirmishers. and he has got feudalism... that means i need 5 more cats to take down his walls and 5 swordsmen to take out the defences :(

HitAnyKey

March 15, 2006, 08:53

GPS back to Sabre

sabrewolf

March 15, 2006, 18:25

0660ad to kon

sabrewolf

March 16, 2006, 15:02

0680ad to kon

damnit... another dead catapult... but 2 other units promoted :D

koningtiger

March 17, 2006, 14:50

700 ad to hitanykey

sabrewolf

March 17, 2006, 20:54

700ad to kon

koningtiger

March 18, 2006, 08:16

720 to hitanykey

sabrewolf

March 18, 2006, 11:56

0720ad to koningtiger

so, finally the city defences of mansa musa's have been destroyed. now it's up to my surviving axemen and war elephants to kill show the confucian peasants the real art of war... :)

HitAnyKey

March 18, 2006, 13:41

GPS to Sabre

KT, I think we're gonna have a good tough time chasing after Sabre if he ends up conquering both the AI's. He's already gotten one of them. Though I do finally have 3 cities again, but it's gonna take a long time for me to rebuild.

sabrewolf

March 18, 2006, 18:21

i don't intend taking out mansa. in fact, i didn't even intend fighting him. all i wanted was feudalism and the two cities of montezuma. he was blocking my expansion.

too bad i coulnd't extort feudlism from him... even with just one city left, protected by a defender with 0.5 strength didn't he want to give up :rant:

speaking of techs: what are you guys actually researching that it takes you so long? i mean by now you should have at least 2 techs, right?

HitAnyKey

March 18, 2006, 18:30

I believe I've been researching the same tech ever since the game started...but I had a few setbacks due to losing a couple cities to the barbs.

sabrewolf

March 18, 2006, 18:47

ok, admittedly i used scientists to boost research from the caste system. and i researched fairly cheap techs...

HitAnyKey

March 20, 2006, 16:45

I'm guessing Koning has the turn?

sabrewolf

March 22, 2006, 17:01

got it today...

740ad to kon

HitAnyKey

March 23, 2006, 00:09

Hey Sabre, you sent the file to me and not to Kon. I just forwarded it on to him. :)

koningtiger

March 23, 2006, 04:45

Sent to HitAnyKey.

Well, for the techs, i have been growing up my cities, now i am researching a bit more.

HitAnyKey

March 23, 2006, 09:02

GPS back to Sabre

sabrewolf

March 23, 2006, 11:03

Originally posted by HitAnyKey
Hey Sabre, you sent the file to me and not to Kon. I just forwarded it on to him. :)

sorry 'bout that!

turn tonight!

sabrewolf

March 23, 2006, 16:39

0760ad to koningtiger

sabrewolf

March 25, 2006, 07:47

0780ad to koningtiger

koningtiger

March 26, 2006, 13:47

800 ad to HitAnyKey

sabrewolf

March 26, 2006, 15:31

0800ad to kon

HitAnyKey

March 26, 2006, 16:11

GPS to sabre

koningtiger

March 26, 2006, 16:46

Sent to HitAnyKey

HitAnyKey

March 26, 2006, 22:05

Sent to Sabre a few hours ago...

sabrewolf

March 27, 2006, 15:00

0820ad

sabrewolf

March 27, 2006, 15:12

ok guys, war elephants are waaay too overpowered. with 2 promotions they have the strength of 9.6. regular longbows have some chance but only if lots of defensive bonuses (hills, culture) is available.

anyhow, witnessed by HAK the 3rd capital of mansa has been taken out. my catapult injured the longbowman,, my elephant survived clearly and the spearman had no problem against the chariot locked at home. mansa musa is left with 1 city where montezuma once had his 3rd city.

so my question is: shall we continue? and if yes: how?
why am i asking? it's obvious that you guys will join forces against me because there is no other way to stop me otherwise. i am also aware that if i let you grow, you'll catch up and overtake me. after all, my infrastructure is miserable because i was virtually building units flat-out.
so... what do you guys think?

koningtiger

March 28, 2006, 04:06

We can continue if you want, this game is going quite fast. And dont worry, Hit and me have not done any diplomatic moves yet, you can do what you think its better for you.

sabrewolf

March 28, 2006, 04:11

i think i might try the challenging way of peace ;)

koningtiger

March 28, 2006, 04:16

But what you 2 want, i have not problem in saying Sabre is the winner.

Btw, sent to HitAnyKey.

sabrewolf

March 28, 2006, 08:03

no no, you don't need to declare me winner. so far it has been too easy for me. montezuma was only defending with archers although he had feudalism for a long time. and mansa musa threw units at my stack initially, suicided his only catapult in the first turn of war. and besides that he did not even attack my archer-defended catapults that were bashing down the culture defences until the units had recovered from the other battles.

anyhow, if you don't mind, let's continue for the time being :)

HitAnyKey

March 28, 2006, 12:50

I'm all for continuing. The last PBEM I lost, I battled until my last city was destroyed. If Sabre wants to win this one, he has to TAKE the win from me. ;)

sabrewolf

March 28, 2006, 13:04

0840 to kon

hey HAK, there was a strongly wounded barbarian horse archer within my borders. i think it is very possible that he killed your explorer. anyhow, you have been avenged ;)

sabrewolf

March 29, 2006, 13:29

0860ad to kon

sabrewolf

March 30, 2006, 14:07

guys, i'll be gone from very early tomorrow (friday) morning until sunday late at night at the company offsite event.

so unless the next turn arrives within the next 3 hours, there will be no turns from me for the next 72 hours approx.

looking forward to after this!
cheers