PBEM: On the Waterfront

[Claus]

Hi everyone and a good New Year,

I'd like to start a new PBEM with the following settings:

[edited Jan-15]

-- Big map
-- Archipelago, Winding Continents
-- Prince difficulty level
-- All other settings standard
-- 10 civs, including the 5 human players

Player list and turn order:

1. Claus -- Spain
2. -- AI civ
3. Canuck77 -- Mongolia
4. -- AI civ
5. Sabrewolf -- England
6. -- AI civ
7. Corossol -- USA [Washington]
8. -- AI civ
9. Vovan -- Random
10. -- AI civ


Please note:

The average turn speed should be around 5 turns a week. I intend to play very regularly. If you think you can do that, then welcome to the game. But please, please don't join the game if

-- you don't have your own computer (at home or at work)
-- your computer is generally crash happy or your email system is not reliable
-- you are regularly away for the weekend
-- you don't have the newest patch installed and for some reason don't want to
-- you are engaged in one zillion billion other PBEMs and are too unorganized to keep them all running.

Sorry to say that but I think it's in the interest of the other players.


Anyway, thank you for reading this. If you are interested, just put a note down here.

Claus

[sabrewolf]

i'd like to join in in our 4th try :)

elisabeth's england for me please.
level "noble" (although i think we should all try prince level as there are not many AIs around and they should at least be a little bit more of a challenge)

i fit all your criteria and i hope every other joiner is honest enough and knows that he'll fit too :b:

cheers

[Canuck77]

Okay, I'm in too.

I'll take Ghenghis Khan on Noble as well - I'm up for Prince too (per Sabre's suggestion).

[Claus]

Thanks for the quick response.

Prince level, I don't know ... To be honest, I haven't won on Nobleman level so far. But of course, I will get more practice by the time, so we could give it a shot.

[Canuck77]

I've not won the game on Prince, either - I'm able to play to the end and am typically in the hunt, but I end up losing out (generally Space Race).

The problem with PBeM that has the AI in it is the weaker AI tends to get exploited by human players - so basically, whoever starts up next to the AI ends up winning, since you walk in and whip them into submission (grabbing a couple cities and a couple techs along the way), then turn back to normal play with that much more of a head start.

SMAC was a huge example of this. Even on Transcend, the AI was honestly very easy to pimp.

I'm fine either way, though. Will be my first PBeM for Civ4, and I'm pretty crappy... so I'm pencilling this in as my "learning experience". :)

[Corossol]

Hi Claus!

Happy New Year! I'd love to join, as Washington of America.

corossol dot civ at gmail dot com

Thanks! :)

[Claus]

Cool, where almost complete. I'll set up the game tomorrow morning. If there's another applicant, we'll play in five. if not, four is good also.

Canuck, please send me your email to

Claus *dot* Fritzenkoetter *at* t-online *dot* de

[sabrewolf]

regarding the prince thing: what canuck said is exactly what i meant.
the AI is exploitable. the higher its level, the tougher it is to dominate it. generally it is best if the AI part of the PBEM is 1-2 levels higher than your normal playing level where you are only up again AIs.

personally, i'd be willing to try monarch or maybe even one level higher. then of course only if there is plenty space for the humans to live. i guess prince is the best suitable for the average playing standard here.


oh, and claus, thanks for organising this :)

[vovan]

If you don't mind, I'd like to be the fifth player here. :) I've only completed one PBEM and one SG so far (and won four or five sp games), so I think noble will suit me fine (though if everyone else wants higher difficulty, I guess I can tolerate it too :D).

Vovan
pbem ~=at=~ vovan ~=dot=~ net

:)

EDIT: Also, random nation works for me.

[Claus]

Fine, we're ready to start now.

@Vovan:

Thank you for joining us. Yet, I need to know where you live so I can set up the proper turn order according to time zones.

Btw, I'm impressed that you already have finished a PBEM!


@Everybody:

I will take Prince level, as this seems to be the general wish.

Being 5 the number of human civs, I suggest we add 5 computer factions to a total of 10. This would enable me to put one AI civ between two human players in the turn rotation.

The game normally uses a big map with 9 factions or a giant map with 11 factions, so we are in between.
I would use a giant map which gives us a little bit more space do build up our civilization.

I've summed up all the game details in the first posting in this thread.

As soon as I get Vovan's time zone (and maybe Corossol's and Canuck's, too), I will start the game. Please also write me if you usually do your turns in the morning, during work or in the afternoon.

[sabrewolf]

huge map? :eek:

ok, but can you put game speed to quick? otherwise we'll be playing the classical era in 2018 ;)

[sabrewolf]

timezones:
- corossol from montreal which is GMT+5
- vovan iirc is in australia/new zealand
- don't know about canuck77...

turn succession is going to be like you showed or a switch between 5 and 7 :)

and last: please not just england. i explicitly request elisabeth! :)

[Claus]

Regarding the map size:

"Large" maps are set up with 9 nations by default, "Giant" maps with 11 nations. So with 10 nations we are in between that. Maybe I simply fill in a 6th AI civ, so we can start a giant map with the number of civs that is recommended by the game itself. I've found those default values always sensible - it matches very well with the "real" tech development history.

*****

Interesting though to reflect on the importance of civ number for the game speed. I don't think that a larger map necessarily implies longer game play.

More space means more cities.
More cities means more science points.
More science points means quicker tech advance.
Quicker tech advance means shorter game play.

However, one might say that a large number of cities favors a victory via space race, while a stuffed map with few cities makes a military victory easier - simply because there are fewer cities to be conquered.

Then, it's not the map size alone which counts, but the ratio between map size and number of civs. If you have a "normal" map with seven factions it's pretty much the same as playing on a "giant" map with eleven factions. The impression that a giant map makes the game longer has nothing but technical reasons: In the late play there are many units which make the CPU take longer for its calculations. This would affect single or LAN play, but not a PBEM.

[sabrewolf]

claus: your assessment is very accurate except one thing: reasearch is not quicker on huge maps. it is in fact the same. while you are right that more science beakers speed things up, the cost for each is also higher.

two more effects of the huge map which you didn't write:
1) the slower start: costs are higher, but initially you start with the same many cities. this only is equalised when you've got your 5-8 cities or so running.
2) barbarians: in a huge map they will be an issue for a long long time. even on my recent large (highlands) game they were coming in permanently with axemen and swordsmen from the unsettled tundra area. pretty annoying as not even culture 5000 cities would cover all the tundra.

on the snaky continents the latter is less important because there is less area to come from therefore the defences can be concentrated :)

[Canuck77]

I've sent my email address, as requested... and I'm in the Eastern timezone.

The turns will be all over the map (no pun intended) for me - but 90% of my turns will be during working hours.

Personally, I'm good with a smaller map, even if it means crowding.

EDIT - "Eastern Timezone" = Eastern Standard Time, or EST. :)

[sabrewolf]

oh, not seldom my turns will be around 23:00 GMT which is 18:00 EST. maybe it is safer to put canuck ahead of me if he can be sure to play his prior to 18 EST?

[Corossol]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
timezones:
- corossol from montreal which is GMT+5

Actually it's GMT -5 :)
I usually play between 23:00 - 04:00 GMT; weekends are more flexible.

Both map sizes are fine with me, but on PBEM I'm partial to Quick speed to shorten production wait times (unless we do a Classical start).

[Claus]

Okay Canuck, I got your email adress, and we're almost ready to take off.

There are only two questions left:

-- Quick or normal game speed
-- Normal or large map size ("giant" seems out of discussion)

I prefer a large map because we are playing with ten civs and will be located on archipelago landscape where land will be short anyway.

Regarding game speed, I have no real opinion because I have never used quick speed. But thinking to myself, "why not?", I tend to agree to trying that out (Sabrewolf and Corossol being in favor of it, too).

To sum it up:

Things being as they are I will set up a "quick game" on a "large map" (or "huge map", how do you call it in English?)

If there are no further objections to that or to something I might have forgotten, you can still send them along. I will have to go to town for two or three hours and when I come back then I'm gonna set up the game.

*****

If everybody agrees I will put Sabrewolf behind Canuck77. From what I understand it should work pretty well with the time zones.

Oh, btw for those who don't know me, I'm from Southern Germany, same time zone as Sabrewolf.

[vovan]

Originally posted by Claus
Yet, I need to know where you live so I can set up the proper turn order according to time zones.

Claus, I am in eastern US, so it's GMT -5, same as corossol. I usually play a little bit in the early afternoon, like I can usually play one turn around 1pm or so, and more in the evening between 5 and 11.

Originally posted by Claus
Btw, I'm impressed that you already have finished a PBEM!

Well, it was only with one other person - Grandpa Troll - on a quick setting. Plus, we are in the same timezones and play pretty much at the same times of the day, so on good days we did 10 - 15 turns a day. :)

Vovan

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Claus
Things being as they are I will set up a "quick game" on a "large map" (or "huge map", how do you call it in English?)

large is the 2nd biggest, huge is the biggest type.
and i like large+quick or even huge+quick :b:
actually my only request is that -should anybody know that they'll be slowing down the game over a longer period of time- withdraws from the game. i'll also agree to that.
maybe some day it is even possible to take over civs from the AI at a later stage (pitboss?)

If there are no further objections to that or to something I might have forgotten, you can still send them along. I will have to go to town for two or three hours and when I come back then I'm gonna set up the game.
:b:

maybe one thing to prevent frustration: don't chose either "dry" nor "cold". they are the most annoying settings. jungle can be cleared to juicy grassland, but deserts without rivers (which rock!) really suck. trust me... in another PBEM i'm on a big continent with only 4 useful city locations, all of them will have at least 3 desert tiles :rant:

If everybody agrees I will put Sabrewolf behind Canuck77. From what I understand it should work pretty well with the time zones.
Oh, btw for those who don't know me, I'm from Southern Germany, same time zone as Sabrewolf.
badener oder bayer? ;)

[Claus]

Turn 4000BC has been sent to Canuck77. Judging the speed we got this set up with, I'm very confident the game will run smoothly.

The usual advice:

1.
Please keep close contact especially during the first turns. Make sure your mail reaches the following player and contact the player before you in the row if something goes wrong.

2.
Put a note down here each time you send the turn on to the next player (also at least during the first turns).

Good luck to everyone, may the force be with you. :) My start was a bit disappointing. I hoped for some fish near my starting location so I could build a fishing boat (strategically perfect situation for the Spanish), but my hopes were not fulfilled


@sabrewolf

Sorry, wrong guess. I'm neither Bavarian nor Badener. I've been born in Westphalia, grown up on the Baltic Sea Coast and am now living in Württemberg. There must be some gypsie blood running in my family. :)

[Canuck77]

Well, the good news is that I'm trying to preserve the pace of the game.

The bad news is that I've got a problem. :)

Essentially, I load the game up (Multiplayer-PlayByEmail-Load Game), and select the game - it informs me that "This game is protected to ensure that no changes have been made to your mod directory", I hit OK and it brings me back to the desktop.

I've not done any mods or anything like that.... can anyone help a poor Civ4 PBeM noob?

[Canuck77]

I should add that I am at 1.52 patch level.

[Claus]

Oups, I guess I know what's the matter.

I installed the German CivPatch from civilized.de which fixes several language bugs in the localized version. Maybe the game now "thinks" that my version is the original one and yours is modded (although I didn't activate that option you mention). Sorry, I forgot that. I will reinstall the game without that patch. It will take some moments, I will send the new file within half an hour or so.

And of course, we use the official patch 1.52.

[Canuck77]

Aha:

Everyone, I believe we have uncovered the fact that Claus was intending to cheat in this game.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Just kidding, Claus. I'll wait for the turn resend.

dave

[Claus]

Originally posted by Canuck77
Aha:

Everyone, I believe we have uncovered the fact that Claus was intending to cheat in this game.


Blimey, you got me.

Your last words would have been, "I wonder what's in this village ..."

:D

Whatever, I sent you a new turn. I hope this one will work - I got my fish all right this time :).

[Canuck77]

Turn played.

I don't have Saber's email address at this point, so I've posted the turn here (sorry).

I wish everyone in the game only slightly worse luck than myself. :)

EDIT - received his email address, deleting the turn from the thread as I've sent it directly to him.

[Claus]

?!?

I included sabrewolf's email adress in his civ profile. I should have appeared when you click to end your turn. Strange, strange ...

I will send you a mail containing the email adresses of the players involved.

[sabrewolf]

4000bc to vovan

cheers guys!

[vovan]

Vovan of the Romans sends his best regards to the foes. :cute:

Save on to Corossol.

Vovan

[Corossol]

Washington founded by Washington, first turn complete, back to Claus! :b:

[Claus]

Turn BC3950 sent to Canuck.

Boys, that's the way I like it! :cute:

[Canuck77]

...and here I am to screw things up. :)

I can't play until tonight when I get home at the earliest, or early tomorrow AM (7:30am or so) at the latest. I'm offsite (Toronto) today.

Sorry about that!

[Canuck77]

Turn BC3950 sent to Saberwolf.

[sabrewolf]

3950bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

Got it from Corossol, turn BC3900 sent to Canuck77.

[Canuck77]

Turn BC3900 sent to Saberwolf.

"The Mongolian scout crouched down on the top of the hill and peered out into the distance, hoping for some sign of life in the distance. He was greatly dismayed to see a vast expanse of desert wasteland, as far as the eye could see.

With a long sigh, he stood up once again, brushed the sand off of his ragged clothes, and started his journey down the hillside."

[sabrewolf]

:lol:

considering that it is a large/huge map (claus, what was the final setting? can you update the first post?), don't expect that you'll meet anybody real soon except a panther or a lion ;)

[sabrewolf]

3900bc to vovan

[vovan]

Or barbs! :eek:

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

BC3850 to Canuck.

Sorry, it took a bit to answer ... I had a Civ4 LAN with a friend yesterday, and after 19 hours of continuous play I desperately needed a handfull of sleep :)

By the way, for that LAN match we switched off the space race victory option. This made the game a lot more interesting. In my view the late game suffers from everybody just rushing to build those space craft components (one of the very few weeknesses in Civ4). All the other nice stuff like SDI, Internet, U.N. etc is hardly looked upon. Yesterday I almost won by diplomatic victory (only 7 votes missing out of some 600) which was the first time I really gave an eye to this interesting strategic option.

@sabrewolf:
The world map is set to "big" (or what was that again in English, I mean the second largest map possible, not the really big one).

[Canuck77]

BC3850 to Saberwolf.

Claus - I think 19 hours represents about 9 hours more than the total amount of time I've played Civ4 - I may be in a little bit of trouble this game. :)

[sabrewolf]

3850bc to vovan

[vovan]

On it goes.

[Claus]

BC3800 to Canuck77.

[Canuck77]

BC3800 onward to Saberwolf.

[sabrewolf]

3800bc to the oposite side of the world

[vovan]

Turn to Corossol.

[Claus]

Turn BC3750 sent to Canuck77.
Have a nice week!

[Canuck77]

BC3750 onward to Saberwolf.

[sabrewolf]

3750bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

On to Canuck77.

[Canuck77]

BC3700 to Saberwolf.

[sabrewolf]

3700bc to vovan

yet another fascinating "move your warrior, hit enter" turn :bored:

[vovan]

Indeed. Not many decisions to make at the moment. :) Corossol has the save.

[Claus]

BC3650 sent to Canuck77

[Canuck77]

BC3650 on to Wolfie.

Very boring at this point. Congratulations on founding Buddhism, btw, to whoever did it (I already forget). :)

[sabrewolf]

probably a AI civ. or one of us would didn't switch the religion yet ;)

[Canuck77]

Nope - someone's showing as Buddhism already!

[Claus]

Free your spirit.

[sabrewolf]

ok, i'm guessing it's claus ;)

[sabrewolf]

3650bc to vovan

[vovan]

And on to Corossol.

[Claus]

And on to Canuck77.

[Canuck77]

Sorry, guys - I'll have the turn played by tomorrow afternoon.

[Canuck77]

BC3600 to Saberwolf - sorry for the 1 day delay, gents. I was (and still am) offsite working, and the network connectivity was one of my projects. It's now done, so the turn continues. :)

[sabrewolf]

3600bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol. Met the first rival on me island here. :)

[sabrewolf]

lucky you! i've run into 2 dead ends so far.

[Claus]

I received the turn from Corossol, but there's something wrong. The attachment is labeled "ATT00002.dat" and can't be opened. Seems like a MIME problem to me. I've contacted Corossol via Email about this.

[Corossol]

OK Claus got the attachment now.




Originally posted by sabrewolf
lucky you! i've run into 2 dead ends so far.
sabrewolf: So your exploring looks like your forum avatar?

[Claus]

Turn has been sent to Canuck77.
Thanks Corossol for the quick reaction.

[Canuck77]

Turn on to Saberwolf.

I also met my first rival on my little island... it could have been better. :(

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Corossol
sabrewolf: So your exploring looks like your forum avatar?

:lol: ...that's a good one :b:

3550bc to vovan

[vovan]

To Corossol.

[Claus]

To Canuck77.

[Canuck77]

BC3500 to Saberwolf

[sabrewolf]

3500bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

On to Canuck77.

[Canuck77]

BC3450 on to Saberwolf

[sabrewolf]

3450bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

On to Canuck77.

Now I met my first buddy on this island ... one of those fireheads, uffa. :(

[sabrewolf]

in another game i set aggressive AI... and landed on the same island as genghis!!! :rant:

looks like i'll be fending him off while my human counterparts techwhore away ;)

[sabrewolf]

oh... and i set the difficuty to monarch. so no cheap conquered cities either :(

[Canuck77]

Turn to Wolfie.

[sabrewolf]

3400bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

Turn BC3350 to Canuck.

[Canuck77]

BC3350 to Wolfie.

[sabrewolf]

3350bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

BC3300 to Canuck77.

[Canuck77]

BC3300 to Wolfmeister.

[sabrewolf]

3300bc to the wizard of OZ

[vovan]

And back to Corossol it goes.

[Claus]

And over to Canada.

[Canuck77]

Flipped back around to Wolfman Jack.

[Canuck77]

(I'm rather enjoying coming up with a different name every time I send the turn, btw. I think I'll probably have them exhausted by the time we roll around to AD, though. :) )

Edit - may as well post something game-related here - officially out of space to roam on my island. Looks like it'll either be me or the AI that survives a quick duel - VERY unimpressed with the small island (!) that the computer thought it would be a good idea to put both of us on.

[sabrewolf]

3250bc to down under

[vovan]

:hmmm: Down under? :lol:

On to Corossol. :)

[Claus]

BC3200 to maple leaf country.

[Claus]

Btw Canuck:

If you don't want to run out of space to uncover, just take my lame warrior. :)

[Canuck77]

Claus:

As of this time, I have not received the file... It should have arrived by now, no?

[Claus]

?!? Yes, it should have some hours ago. I'm gonna check it right now.

[Claus]

Turn resent. Please tell me if everything is ok this time.

[sabrewolf]

3200bc to vovan

(i said down under because i assumed you were from oz/nz... am i incorrect?)

[vovan]

That's what I thought you thought, sabre, but no, I am not from, nor in, roo country. :)

On to Corossol.

Vovan

[sabrewolf]

ah, ok :)

[Claus]

BC3150 sent to Canuck.

(I always send the turn first and put down the message here after. So Canuck, when you read this, your turn should already have arrived. If not, please contact me. But I hope it works fine this time.)

[Canuck77]

BC3150 to Saberwolf.

Edit: Dunno what happened that one time - but obviously it was a fluke. I never did receive the original send of that turn, though.

[Claus]

Well, strange. Maybe it was because my folks in the Royal Post Office of Obstsalat are still neolithic. They can't even write. So they mess things up from time to time. :D :D

[sabrewolf]

wierd... canuck, your email only just arrived a few minutes ago :hmmm:

anyhow, 3150bc to vovan

[Canuck77]

Wow - okay, next time I'll put traces on my outgoing game turns to figure out where the holdup is.

Shame we've slowed down so much - I'd gotten used to playing 2 turns per day. :)

[vovan]

Sorry for delays, guys. Saturday afternoon, and beyond was much fun, and Sunday was spent... recovering. :cute: Won't happen again. Promise. :unworthy:

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

No problem. Our group has been performing exceptionally well so far, so a "free" weekend doesn't do any harm.

[sabrewolf]

yeah... and getting pissed on a saturday is a veeeery acceptable excuse ;)

[Claus]

Even more so, we all still have a "barbaric" society. Ever taken a look at the icon? Very funny. :)

[Claus]

After a very long year BC3150 the next turn BC3100 has been sent to Canuck.

[Canuck77]

BC3100 to Saberwolf.

Claus - I'm still a novice in the game... I'd love a bit of insight on how you shot forward like that so quickly?? :)

Got a confirmation email from Saber's mail server, too - so whatever the delivery issue is, it should be resolved now. :)

[Claus]

Claus - I'm still a novice in the game... I'd love a bit of insight on how you shot forward like that so quickly?? :)


It's very simple - in these early stages of the game a difference of 15 or 20 points has no meaning at all. Eg, if you happen to find a tech in a barbarian village or if you build a new city then this alone might let you jump forward. From what I have experienced some kind of solid leadership requires being at least 150 points ahead.

[sabrewolf]

3100bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

BC3050 on to Canuck77.

[Canuck77]

BC3050 to Saberwolf.

Edit - and resent with delivery confirmation to make sure nothing fubars. :)

[sabrewolf]

got it twice ;)

3050bc to vee vi vo van

[vovan]

&^%$&^%$ animals. I've nothing to explore with now, thanks to them. :mad:

:)

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

BC3000 to Canuck.

We've completed 1000 years of play.

:ana: :ana: :ana:

Well done so far, guys!

[Canuck77]

Yaay - and I'm the one to mess it up. :)

I promise to play tonight, guys. I've been on the road travelling with my boss yesterday and today, and haven't been able to escape for 5 minutes.

Vovan - I think we're exactly mirroring each other, btw - lost mine last turn, too! :(

[Claus]

I see you heathen people still feed your own population to Animal Gods. :D Maybe you should try Buddhism.

Seriously, are the beasts tougher to deal with on higher difficulty levels or was it just bad luck? I would like to know because there's a wolf outside my city waiting for my attention.

Canuck: Scandal. There should be a default paragraph in work contracts guaranteeing free time for playing CivIV. :doitnow!:

[Canuck77]

Claus -

Agreed! And what's worse, the entire management team here except for 1 or 2 people is from the EU (Austria, primarily, but also Germany and England). For shame! :)

[vovan]

Claus, the animals definitely get harder on higher difficulty levels, because on lower ones you get better bonuses against them. However, in my case, it was purely bad luck. Had a warrior in the woods. The lion should totally have been toast. :)

That's ok, though. The random number generator hasn't given me any love for the past couple of days... :) I slaughtered half of my army the other day in this one game... Every single one died with 65%+ odds of winning. It was quite a sad sight. :)

Vovan

[sabrewolf]

animals are not much tougher, only a slight bit. just keep to the hills/forests... ;)

[Canuck77]

At long last... Waterfront turn to the canine.

Wolfie: Sorry about the duplicate email again - I wanted to make sure I got the delivery trace on. After making everyone wait for so long, I didn't want them to wait any longer. :)

[vovan]

On to Corossol it goes. :)

[Corossol]

Originally posted by vovan
On to Corossol it goes. :)

Are you sure? I got the Island game from you but not this one...

My sympathies about all the animals. And Claus you shouldn't have any problems with that wolf - it's got only 1 power. Of course, a settler has 0. ;)

[sabrewolf]

3000bc to vovan

[vovan]

So, I guess you actually got it later on, Corossol? :)

On to you it goes again.

BTW, the bloody lion that killed my explorer is now lurking around Rome! I am so going to go kick it's ass. :evilgrin:

Vovan

[sabrewolf]

lions are cool. they are slow like bears and not too strong, but still strong enough for promotions :b:

[Canuck77]

Vovan:

I hope you don't mind if I root for the lion, eh? :)

Dear lion: Romans are particularly tasty. I suggest you linger and enjoy all the amenities that Rome has to offer.

;)

[vovan]

:lol: Knock yourself out. ;) If the lion doesn't get the job done, I've got another rival close by. :eek:

[Claus]

BC2950 to Canuck.

Congratulations for founding Hinduism. I already thought I had to do it myself. ;)

[Canuck77]

BC2950 to Saberpuppy. :)

[sabrewolf]

canuck, can you correct your email settings to send to sabREwolf AT blackhole.ch, not sabERwolf. it still arrived, but in the wrong mailbox ;)

thanks and cheers

[sabrewolf]

2950bc to vovan

darn, after such a long time where noone else went for polytheism, i had a shot at it... i guess i was 2 turns too late ;)

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

2900BC to Canuck77.

[Canuck77]

2900BC sent to SabREwolf. :)

Sorry about messing up your email address, mate!

[sabrewolf]

2900bc to vovan

getting the email twice :hmmm:
but better twice than not at all ;)

[vovan]

On to Corossol. :)

[Claus]

BC2850 to Canuck. That was one quick turn! :b:

I discovered a second AI faction on *my* island. We're not amused ... :mad:

[sabrewolf]

be happy... AI civs are pretty kind. you can easily defend a city with only a warrior, while a human neighbor will take you out ;)

and i wish i would have a neighbor at all... so far i have not met anybody. that means when you've all got industrial techs i'll start sailing around with galleys :(

[Canuck77]

BC2850 to Sabrewolf.

Sabre: Nah, not really - if you have the island to yourself, you'll have a much better shot at getting the good resources without a fight. But good to know that you will take us out if we happen to find you. ;)

[sabrewolf]

canuck: we're playing on noble level... and the easiest way to expand there is by letting the AI grow quickly and then take him out in a swift move. "organic growth" is really slow.

and no, i don't just attack humans that easy, because humans have the bad habit of getting annoyed and fighting back :lol:

[Canuck77]

I don't believe you. :)

[Claus]

I'm not so sure ... even with yourself being technically ahead of the AI a war can really be pain in the a**. I've seen 500 point leads melting away like snow in the sun.

Oh, and Sabrewolf ... we're on "Prince" level, not noble. Just in case you bump into a barbarian carrying machine guns. :)

[Canuck77]

BTW - Sabre - did you play the turn?

Claus - agree 100% on the AI and slugfests. I'm still debating how to deal with my neighbour (who is unlikely to be overly friendly with me). :(

[sabrewolf]

2850bc to vovan

[vovan]

Originally posted by Canuck77
I'm still debating how to deal with my neighbour (who is unlikely to be overly friendly with me).

:lol: Same problem here. ;) My neighbor is a known crazy bastard. :scared:

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

On to Canuck.

[sabrewolf]

so are you close to montezuma, genghis khan or tokugawa? ;)

[Canuck77]

BC2800 to Sabrewolf.

I am Khan! I AM KHAN!!!

(Best Shatner voice): "Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!"

[vovan]

EDIT: Ooops. Heh. :blush:

[sabrewolf]

2800bc to vovan

[Canuck77]

Are we in a time warp? :)

[vovan]

Originally posted by Canuck77
Are we in a time warp? :)

:D

Sorry. I guess I posted in the wrong thread. The one before this was off to Corossol in another game. :blush: Now he has this one, too. :cute:

Vovan

[Claus]

Turn sent to Canuck.

Let's see if my warrior is still alive next turn ... he directly walked onto the plate of a hungry panter. :eek:

[Canuck77]

BC2750 onward to Sabrewolf.

Is anyone keeping a diary/journal in this game? I'd intended to, but forgot... if anyone else is, I'll start to so we can compare notes after the game (to find out where I went wrong... :) ).

[sabrewolf]

nope, not really.

in single player mode i use a neat plugin that allows logging of the in-game messages. it's called autolog. great for looking up stuff.

but in PBEM/MP this is not possible :(

[Claus]

I save my game turns, of course. If you like, this is some kind of record.

[sabrewolf]

2750bc to vovan

[vovan]

Corossol should have it now.

[Claus]

BC2700 to Canuck.

[Canuck77]

BC2700 to Sabrewolf.

[Canuck77]

BTW - while we wait for Sabre's turn...

I'm an old vet from the Alpha Centauri days, and it was standard practice for everyone to email their password to either a single person who was not in the game, or someone who was not immediately before them in the turn progression. The idea was to protect the other players of the game from people who inevitably dropped out in the course of playing - either because of real life, or because they were falling behind in the game, or simply lost interest.

This game is moving along really well (REALLY well, actually), but I thought I'd ask if it makes sense here. Has anything like that been worked out at all?

[sabrewolf]

2700bc to vovan

c77: there is an admin password which can be used to kick people out or change the player password. of course if the admin disappears, there is not much that can be done...

[vovan]

On to Corossol goes the save.

Indeed, it's like sabre said, the ability for the person who knows the Admin password to kick players (they will be replaced by AIs) is quite a useful addition. :):b: (Sadly, we've already had to make use of it in one game I'm in, but that did save it from imminent death.)

Vovan

[Claus]

I'm glad, too, that there is that possibility with a supervisor pw, even though I'm optimistic we won't have to use it.

When we played SMAC we had a similiar backup system which was quite simple, but useful: We gave our pw to the next person in the turn order.

[Canuck77]

BC2650 to Sabrewolf.

[sabrewolf]

2650bc to vovan

it's official.. i'm buckfutted... alone isolated on a mediocre island. no tech trading --> no future :(

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

Sabre, and you don't have any island-hopping opportunities visible?

Vovan

[sabrewolf]

none as far as i can see. potentially beyond the tundra, but that is unlikely...

oh well...

[Claus]

bc2600 to Canuck77.

[Canuck77]

BC2600 onward to Sabrewolf.

Sabre: Don't feel even close to bad about being screwed - my island is really, really poor *and* it's being shared with an AI faction.

[sabrewolf]

2600bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol goes the save.

[Claus]

bc2550 to Canuck.

Little action with me at the moment since my warrior turned himself into a humanburger a few rounds ago ... :(

[sabrewolf]

it looks like i have a problem with the domain email redirection. can the saves temporarilty be attach it here?

[Canuck77]

OK - I sent the turn to your email account, but I'll attach it here as well.

Turn to Sabrewolf.

[Canuck77]

BTW - your domain redirection appears to be failing due to insufficient disk space (presumably on the blackhole side of things). You might want to login directly to that account and delete the messages which have accumulated there (if your settings are to preserve a copy of the message as well as forwarding it to your home account).

If you want, I can send direct to your other account..

[sabrewolf]

thanks for that hint, c77! i have contacted the admins. however, it could take some time until they change it.


2550bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

bc2500 to Canuck.

Congratulations for founding Judaism. Whoever it is.

[Canuck77]

Turn to Sabrewolf (as attached).

Sabre: Please let me know if you have everything sorted out and don't need the turns sent in the forum anymore.

[sabrewolf]

2500bc to vovan

c77: still problems :(

[vovan]

Corossol has it.

[Claus]

2450bc-2-c77 :)

Strange thing: I made a jump of 18 victory points from 106 to 124, but I do not have a clue why. Statistics say my territory is now worth 41 points instead of 23, but nothing has changed since my last turn. That's some kind of awkwardness I'm ready to accept. :D

[vovan]

After the new patch, you don't get territory points right when your borders expand, but only once you've been holding the territory for several turns (I forget how many, four, seven, or some such).

[Canuck77]

Turn attached ready for Sabrewolf's enjoyment. :)

[sabrewolf]

ok, it has been fixed! as of immediately, you can send it again to my regular address. you can now also delete all attachments.

thanks and sorry for the extra work!

PS: no need to send this again. i've already downloaded it.

[sabrewolf]

2450bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

On to Canuck.

[Canuck77]

...and on to Sabrewolf.

[sabrewolf]

2400bc to vovan

that was a nice quick round :b:

[vovan]

Corossol has it once more. :):b:

[Claus]

And on to Canuck, with laser beam speed ...:b:

[Canuck77]

Sabrewolf has it now!! :)

[sabrewolf]

2350bc to vovan

ok, i'm not completely shafted. across a 1 tile wide ocean strip there is an AI civ! now build a useless coastal city, rush culture, build another useless city to get the tundra copper and wham! i might even be in the renaissance ages when you hit the modern ages ;)

[vovan]

Sabre, I didn't get 2350BC from ya... The last save I have is 2400BC from tuesday.

[sabrewolf]

resent....

[vovan]

And Corossol should have it now.

[Claus]

bc2300 sent to Canuck.

[Canuck77]

BC2300 sent to Sabrewolf.

[sabrewolf]

2300bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol goes the save.

[Claus]

BC2550 to Canuck.

[Canuck77]

BC2250 goes to Sabrewolf.

BTW, Wolfie - nice little jump in the standings. ;)

[sabrewolf]

2250bc to vovan

yeah, canuck.. it's finally paying off building a worker and settler very early on. plus, i popped a nice hut :)

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

2200bc to Canuck.

[Canuck77]

2200bc to Sabrewolf.

[sabrewolf]

2200bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

On to Canuck.

[Canuck77]

2150 onward to Sabrewolf.

[sabrewolf]

2150bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

On to Canuck.

[Canuck77]

Back to Sabrewolf.

[sabrewolf]

2100bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol goes the save.

[Claus]

2050bc sent to Canuck.

[Canuck77]

2050BC to Sabrewolf.

[sabrewolf]

2050bc to vovan

[vovan]

On to Corossol.

[Claus]

2000bc sent to Canuck!

2000 years completed - great performance, guys!

:dance:

[Canuck77]

2000bc continues to Sabrewolf.

Agreed - nice work, guys. Now, if you could only stop rocketting past me in the overall Civ score, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks much!

[sabrewolf]

tell it to claus!
i got a message in german that the oracle has been built... darn, i already missed polytheism, monotheism and now this :grunt:

2000bc to vovan

anyhow, great work lads!

[vovan]

:lol: That's some nice and early wonder building! :cool::b:

On to Corossol rolls the save.

Vovan

[Claus]

Yeah, well, thank you ... I really like the standings at the moment ... maybe we should stop here. :)

Sabrewolf:
People without the gift of prophecy should never build the Oracle. :D

Oh, and turn 1950BC has been sent to Canuck.

[Canuck77]

Saberpuppy has the turn.

Claus - can you please give us some idea where you are on the map, so that we can pay the Oracle a visit? :)

[Claus]

You're welcome, my priests read from human bones.:unworthy:

[Canuck77]

The Mongol hordes respect no religion.

If it's pretty, we smash it.

Wanna see? :)

[Canuck77]

Hey! You modified your response - I saw the last one...

Uggum... SMASH! :)

[sabrewolf]

you've already got CoL? :rant: damnit :(

canuck: you can have the buddhist capital if i get the confucian ;)

by the way, my borders have expanded into the ocean and there is saladin... of course WITHOUT his own religion :(
has anybody else met saladin?

[Canuck77]

HAHAHAHA... Sabrewolf saw it too. :)

Sorry, Claus - cat's out of the bag!