Rommels Regret

[conmcb25]

This is the PBEM where Golden S. Bear and Shogun S. Gunner are going to kick Rommel2D's asss.

I guess Im gonna just watch :)

Turnorder:

GB
Rommel
con
SG

I got the Persians for some reason :)

4000BC to Shogun Gunner

[Shogun Gunner]

I'll play tonight. Rommel sure is going to regret this...just like El Alamein ;)

[Shogun Gunner]

3960 BC to Golden Bear

[Golden Bear]

3960 to Rommel.

[Rommel2D]

to con

"The key to protective environmental planning and zoning is to allocate responsibility and cost in the event of a disaster. An ideal system places a hazard tax on land, based on assessed risk, and restricts the government's responsibility to fund reconstruction or an individual's right to reconstruct on frequently damaged sites. Comprehensive mapping of erosion-hazard areas would help avoid the ever increasing costs from recurring disasters." -Robert W. Christopherson

[don't worry, this is just a ploy to lull con into a false sense of complacency... ;) ]

[Golden Bear]

Cool. It is the responsibility of the people who built in the affected spot to pay for their own rebuilding.

If you happen to have built in a high risk area, you should shoulder the burden for rebuilding after a disaster. Of course, if you got leveled by the disaster, you cannot afford to do it.

Following this reasoning, why is the Federal Government paying anything to rebuild a city built below sea level with no industry that got leveled by an expected hurricane and is now demanding money to put itself in a position to get flattened again?

Reason says no. Emotion says yes. What is the correct answer?

Are these the same people now asking for money that said that California should be denied after their earthquake - because they KNEW they lived in an earthquake zone?

It is like the person that gets angry at traffic in his neighborhood but that drives at 45 mph on a "shortcut" throught somebody else's 25mph speed zone...

Curious how perspective changes the "correct" and "book" answer!

Thank you for sharing, Rommel.

[Rommel2D]

Originally posted by Golden Bear
Reason says no. Emotion says yes. What is the correct answer?
Well, the US government was the product of the Age of Reason, the idea being that elected representatives would conduct themselves based upon their reasoning faculties. The principles of minimal governance and seperation of Church and State are supposed to leave enough room for society to deal with emotional issues via more personal channels.

It seems to me that nothing in our contemporary political system is in the ballpark of a 'correct answer'...

[Golden Bear]

Nicely posted.

[Shogun Gunner]

spammers :shame:

[Rommel2D]

So where's the turn...? :doitnow!:

[Shogun Gunner]

con must be fiddling with his tinkle...

CON! PLAY THE SAVE!!! :doitnow!:

[conmcb25]

No Im not playing this PBEM any longer. I'm a very sensitive kind of guy, and all of you are hurting my feelings :(

[Rommel2D]

I'm not to familiar with property tax law, so I can't say I fully understand the consequences of a 'hazard tax', and I apologize for any implication that you would think it would be a good idea... :o

[Golden Bear]

Now that is rich. Con has feelings. Bwaaahaaaha.:cool:

[Shogun Gunner]

yeah, i didn't respond to that either.... :lol:

GB, why did you lose the avatar? No replacement?

P.S. I hate the Apolyton Christmas smiley hats.

[Shogun Gunner]

3920 BC to Golden Bear

[Golden Bear]

3920 to Rommel

[Rommel2D]

to the constrained one

[Rommel2D]

Ok, so I was pondering whether con was waiting for some sort of apology, trying to keep his recreational space free of heavy discussion, or sparing GB and I the pain of having our naive views torn from us, but I really think he just has a poor start and is hoping the game dies for lack of interest... :cute:

[conmcb25]

You are hurting my feelings again :(

[Shogun Gunner]

please con....that is so unbelievable. Of anyone at Poly, you would be the last to get their feelings hurt.

So play the save mofo. :mad: :doitnow!:

[Rommel2D]

I honestly don't want to do any more ticking off (until its time to win the game ;-), but we're in a negative feedback loop here. Its kind of like hitting your dog with a rolled up newspaper in the middle of playing fetch because you just found out he crapped on the carpet...

[conmcb25]

He He

Its been a busy weekend, Ill get this played by this evening.

:p

:lol:

[Golden Bear]

Does con still have this one?

[conmcb25]

Nope passed to shogun a day or two ago.

[Shogun Gunner]

3880 to Golden Bear

[Golden Bear]

3880 to Rommel

[conmcb25]

Geez Rommel what da he11 is taking you so long to play ;)

[Rommel2D]

to the constantly vigil one...

Sorry for the delay, I had to review my build queue- I was such a novice back when this game started... :cute:

[conmcb25]

3880 to SSG

Good lord what a n00b ;) :lol:

[Shogun Gunner]

3840 to Golden Bear

:lol:

[Golden Bear]

3840 to Rommel.

[Shogun Gunner]

Why no avatar, Mr. Bear?

I fail to see the connection...

[Rommel2D]

to that condiment of posters, the mayo on our spam, the one, the only...

[Golden Bear]

I'm hiding in my cave. The world has turned another notch and it is not as the bear expected. Perhaps the cub assumed things that were not as they appeared to be.

Spiraling down from a tiny little mote of rock - maybe the size of Cleveland - we see a smallish sort of world that is nevertheless inhabited by a wide variety of terrain and ecostystems. This rock orbits in space and is in all ways meaningless to the universe. Bare and lifeless, some millenia later it will find a larger mass, and in its Newtonian impact, change the existance of uncounted surface crawling organisms. That, is most definitely a different story.

In this one, four pathetic little clans of peoples, spawned from the same not-quite-monkey, not-quite-human, stock, struggle towards unreasonable and quite large visions of the future. In one edge of the land we find the people with the legend of the General, the Leader at the front, who nevertheless failed in an unhappy and dismal country far from home. In another we have the betrayer of friends who lives for subterfuge masked by humor. Far away is the bombastic capitol of the drill sargeant who brooks little disagreement. Of the fourth we will not speak, lest we open a window for disagreement. That view must come from the outside.

At first, tiny not-even-hamlets form. These people don't think of towns and cities. For most it is the first that they have lived close to other people. A nomadic sort, they had spent their lives moving with the seasons. In one such, when the trees bloomed and gave fruit, they would meet other groups and exchange seeds and fruit. From that, they grew to know each other and have relatives.

Over time, one peculiar person had the idea of settling and staying close to where food was always ready. The wandering travelers came to find them and saw the reason of this way. Houses, permanent houses, were built for the first time. But.... not too close. It was enough to know that relatives were only a day away - that much has not changed with time!.

However, their children wanted to stay close. They did not desire to wander and risk themselves and their offspring to the chances of nature. Naturally, they built new houses near the old. And so it went. A scattered settlement of some tens of people arose. Could this be the beginning of a mighty state? Or could it be only the semblance of a river leading into desert... one that begins as a torrent through mountain rocks but ends, spent, and all but invisible, amid sad and empty lands?

[Shogun Gunner]

I assume I am this description as I'm not a General nor a Drill Sergeant

betrayer of friends who lives for subterfuge masked by humor

:eek: Ouch. I had no idea I lived for subterfuge.

"con" and "bombastic" do go together nicely.

I see you held off saying anything really nasty about Rommel until he's emotionally too invested to walk away from it all. I guess that will come later.

Good stuff :lol: whoops, there I go masking betrayal and subterfuge with humor again :scared:

[Golden Bear]

No names were named. It is only art at its purest. The Chronicles are roaming and looking for a new nest.

hmm. pithy comments deleted. why waste on the xxxxxing xxxxterxxx maxxxx? keyboaxx ssuxxk.

[Rommel2D]

Hmm, been awhile since I brushed up on my WWII history, but I thought The General's failure came at a later date, closer to home, once he realized where the true enemy lie...

[Shogun Gunner]

I don't think the General failed at any point. Military setbacks were the result of issues beyond Rommel's control. He made the absolute most of what he got in North Africa. He was brilliant in France 1940. He was held back by Hitler in defending France in 1944.

In fact, he showed himself to be a very honorable man when approached regarding the plot against Hitler. A good example of a German patriot, but not a Nazi.

[Golden Bear]

Len Deighton in "Blood, Tears and Folly," does a great job of pointing out the fatal flaws in Rommel's generalship. The primary one that is noted is his absolute inattention to his supply lines which left him in a withered state for his ultimate battle.

There is a lot of rethinking of the history of WWII going on now. Much of it is driven by the ongoing declassification of documents that had been deliberately locked up for 50 years. That book is a good read for anybody interested in the period and looking for some new facts.

[conmcb25]

Lack of attention to supply is a common flaw amongst even some of the greatest Generals/Admirals of history.

The one biggest thing that limits operations is logistics. Thats why any good operations officer will make sure he understands logistics as much as operations, and he should be tied at the hip to his logisticians.

Been there done that, it works better when you have a symbiotic relationship with your logistics guy (or gal).

[conmcb25]

Oh crap almsot forgot

3840 to SSG :)

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Golden Bear
No names were named. It is only art at its purest. The Chronicles are roaming and looking for a new nest.

hmm. pithy comments deleted. why waste on the xxxxxing xxxxterxxx maxxxx? keyboaxx ssuxxk.

You REALLY should get with snoopdog and volunteer to be a traveling minstrel for the CIV IV demo. As a member of the admin team. You can publish the history of the game thru your chronicles, and do some admin stuff for the game, like coming up with news items for MarkG.

That way you could participate, yet stay detached and do what you do magnificently well, which is write.

You should really and truely think about that. You don't have to put up with the emotional his and lows of a team, but you can do what you like, and thats write about it.

[Shogun Gunner]

I've read a lot of books concerning the North African conflict. Yes, Rommel pushed beyond the capacity of his supply network to fully support him, but the naval/air action from Malta really did him in. From my interpretation, Rommel felt there was a limited window to strike the British - waiting was not an option. So, his brilliant strategy included capturing Allied supplies in his advances. This occurred in many situations.

The battle lines of El Alamein were very constricted eliminating the war of maneuver he preferred. Plus, the British were very close to their supply bases in Eygpt -- supplied with fresh troops and material (thanks to US lend lease).

That flaw of "attention to supply" could have some merit. On the other hand, he made the most of the situation he was in. I doubt there was another general in World War 2 from either side that could have done what he did in North Africa. If anyone, maybe Patton or Zhukov, but no one else.

[Shogun Gunner]

3800 BC to GB -- the detatched one.

[Rommel2D]

Does that mean you've supplied GSB with the turn? :doitnow!:
[whoops, CP ;)]

[Shogun Gunner]

ordinarly I'm at work at this time, but my daughter had school cancelled because of the ice and yesterday my wife stayed home to be with the girls, today it's my turn to do so.

[Golden Bear]

So if I get out early from work we can crank through some turns? At least for the dazzling new PvPV?

[Golden Bear]

Originally posted by conmcb25


You REALLY should get with snoopdog and volunteer to be a traveling minstrel for the CIV IV demo. As a member of the admin team. You can publish the history of the game thru your chronicles, and do some admin stuff for the game, like coming up with news items for MarkG.

That way you could participate, yet stay detached and do what you do magnificently well, which is write.

You should really and truely think about that. You don't have to put up with the emotional his and lows of a team, but you can do what you like, and thats write about it.

I have thought about requesting this, con. However, I see a couple of difficulties. The first is that not many of the participants know me. Thus, they might be wary of letting me have access to all the forums.

Second, and more important, is that I would need to be very, very careful about what I wrote. As you well know, people in Demo games tend to be ultrasensitive about all matters, and any tiny leak of information that was not earned would be a cause for anger at this scribe. At least if I am a member of only one team, then I can only p-off only that one group. Hmm, somebody on another team got p'd-off at me, didn't they?

Anyway, if you can think of a solution to point #2, that role would suit me fine... and if you can think of how to persuade your fellows that it is a good idea.

[Golden Bear]

3800 to Rommel

[Rommel2D]

Continued...


Wow, either my memory sucks, or I've been duped into some Hollywood version along the way...

I thought the NA campaign failed mostly due to Hitler insisting on wasting huge amounts of resources on other fronts (bombing England?). I also thought Rommel participated in the assassination plot. Did Hitler have him killed for not turning in the conspriators?

Didn't Rommel continue to think of himself as a Nazi though, that Hitler's meglomania and obsession with genocide were something seperate?

[Shogun Gunner]

Well, the bombing of England really didn't affect the allocation of resources to North Africa. It was the preparation for the invasion of Russia that kept units and supplies away from North Africa.

Hitler did kill Rommel, but it was done differently that some of the other conspirators. Rommel was encouraged to kill himself and was supplied poison to do the job. Rommel complied knowing that if he didn't, it would be a bullet in the head anyway.

I don't think Rommel did think of himself as a Nazi, but rather a German patriot. His tendency was to be very loyal - so I don't think there are many writings of his that openly speak out against Hitler or Nazi politics. Like many German generals, he tried to keep himself seperate from the political aspects of the regime.

[Golden Bear]

That was the game that the soldiers of the Reich played. However, when they swore allegience to Hitler as a person rather than to Germany as they had been wont, they perfectly well knew what the implications were.

A fine case can be made that there were plenty of resources for Rommel if he had made use of them. There is also a counter image of him as the unpleasant task master rather than the beloved leader - the latter image derived of course only from Nazi films because there were no other sources.

Tobruk was a key to his success but he never granted it the status that it needed. What would have been the consequence if he had truly besieged it so that he had supplies near the front early in the war?

It is difficult to question images that we have internalized over life. However, there is sufficient information to illustrate the fatal weaknesses of Rommel. This does not detract from his role or accomplishments as a military person but, to my mind, enhances them, because we can now fit him in as a real person rather than an icon or superhuman.

I still recommend looking to some of the newer texts on the war and to taking them seriously if people want to try to understand some of the happenings in depth rather than in the post-WWII iconology that we grew up with. It is worth the effort to question these images.

We might actually admire the accomplishments more and understand the real person more at the same time.

I seem to be the only dissenting note in the Rommel adoration around here, which causes me to want to let you folks enjoy your love fest. I have pointed the way to a different understanding; not better. Just a different one. Perhaps before parading commonly held notions it would be worth the time to consider something new and different?

This ground has been covered a lot and has been built up to portray IR as a noble warrior caught between loyalties. Real life is more complicated than that and people rarely are that noble (Lincoln?).

[Rommel2D]

Originally posted by Golden Bear
So if I get out early from work we can crank through some turns?
So much for that. (I think this game got constipated...)

Does Blood, Tears, Folly cover actual logistics of the campaign in detail?

[Golden Bear]

Nope, sorry. Not much detail. It is a more general look with dives into detail. I found a lot to think about from Deighton's writings. Of course, he is no more "right" than anybody else but I give many of his arguments credence. The book is worth a look and is a good read.

He is widely discredited by people who "know" more than he does. Facts are facts however and he makes some good cases. Have a look!

[Shogun Gunner]

I might change my username to Heinz Guderian... he was an icon, a legend... a man caught between two loyalties. ;)

or maybe Guderian2D for the username ;)

[Rommel2D]

I've never played Guderian3D- what system was it for?

[conmcb25]

3800 to SSG, more commentary from me later on all the above issues.

The short answer to number 2 GB is that easrly in the game you wouldn't have a lot to "release" but you could have a lot to "do".

Once contact between all members has been made then you can start releasing.

Or the early stuff has to be heavily censored.

Its up to you.

And a clear definition of insanity is trying to please everyone at Apoly. If someone doesn't like your writing fvck em, because they are probably an idiot anyway :)

[Golden Bear]

Originally posted by conmcb25
And a clear definition of insanity is trying to please everyone at Apoly. If someone doesn't like your writing fvck em, because they are probably an idiot anyway :)

This is a classic. It must go into the HOF of con quotes! Nicely stated, btw. :unworthy:

[Shogun Gunner]

3760 to Golden Bear.

[Golden Bear]

3760 to Rommel.

[Rommel2D]

to be continued

[Golden Bear]

Originally posted by Rommel2D
to be continued

Are you holding the turn for awhile?

[Rommel2D]

No, it will be continued once conmcb25 returns from convalescing... ;)

[Rommel2D]

Say, do any of youse guys really really like playing CIV (apart from the bugs and glitches, I mean)?

[Golden Bear]

Yes, I seriously enjoy playing Civ. During these winter months when I cannot play golf it is the major thing that I look forward to when I escape from work.

Well, that and drinking. :hiccup:

Why? Don't you enjoy it?

[Rommel2D]

Escape from work? You need to get a job at Bandon Dunes, methinks...

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by Rommel2D
Say, do any of youse guys really really like playing CIV (apart from the bugs and glitches, I mean)?

:love: it. However, the multiplayer thing can have it's difficulties - and the programmed AI has limitations... but the concept is the coolest game concept around IMHO.

[conmcb25]

Every once in a great while I have brief moments of brilliance. ;)

[Shogun Gunner]

I've got a rule, if I don't receive the save in x amount of time, I declare the game dead. I will reserve the right to tell you what x is whenever I feel like it or change the value of x at any time of my choosing ;)

[conmcb25]

You wont get any arguements from me smarty pants ;)

[conmcb25]

I got a sabe on friday night and sent it to SSG on ssaturday morning. Who has the save???????

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by Rommel2D
to be continued

[Golden Bear]

Originally posted by conmcb25
I got a sabe on friday night and sent it to SSG on ssaturday morning. Who has the save???????

?Quien sabe?

[Golden Bear]

Is SG trying in his oh-so-subtle manner that he is bogarting the save?

I'm sitting inside with my wife at work and freezing rain on the ground outside with nothing to do but play civ and watch porn... and I don't HAVE any porn. :CONfused:

[Golden Bear]

BTW, I hope that none of youse is (yeah, that's how you say it in my homeland) a Cowboys fan today. Absolutely dreadful what is happening there today. Shudder. (but not much, cuz I'm an Yggles fan).

I know that SG is a Jaints fan so he'll be relatively safe from razor blades. Con lives in Indy and they lost but he is really a Chicago fan (I think?) so he's safe. Rommel, of course, roots for Frankfurt of the AFNFL so he should be cool too.

OK, Shogun, I have stalled for you. Play the damned save!:tongue:

[Rommel2D]

Resent to con. Sorry, I forgot he likes to delete the first send and pretend he never got it... :hmmm:

I root for Favre and whoever isn't on the DL gameday... :stunned:

[Golden Bear]

Eeek. I'll pray for you and all Favre fans. Aoooom.

Wonderful player... ca. 1990. Still a great arm but a $0.10 brain these days. I remember a great game where Favre and the Pboys went up on the Yggles 28-0 and the Birds came back, only to miss an extra point. Ah well. Then the Packer broke Cunningham's knee in the first game of the season when they Greens had one of the best defenses ever. Reggie White, Jerome Brown, Andre Waters, etc. Sigh.

Life can be seen as a collection of might-have-beens.

[conmcb25]

If you REALLY just resent me a save I did not recieve it.

I am a Packers fan which this year for the first year in a LONG time is worse than being a bears fan.

I am routing for Indy and have been the pasts couple of years, Im actually glad they losdt a game, now Dungee can settle down and finish the season and play some of his backups to give the starters some rest and get rerady for the playoffs.

[conmcb25]

The last email I had from rommel was late friday afternoon and turn 3800. I just checked.

[Rommel2D]

$.10 brain? :hmmm: 1st string probowl WR out whole season. 1st string probowl RB out from early in season. 1st string TE out most games. 2nd string RB out most of season. 2nd string WR out half the games. What can he do but try to force it?

He hasn't looked as sharp in the 2min drill, but other than that not much different than usual...

[Rommel2D]

resend resent. Do you have an eddress besides the bluemarble one?

[conmcb25]

to SSG

I got the resend

[Shogun Gunner]

...and you sent me the wrong save. Its the save file for your turn - and since you don't have a password - I saw your capital and exited the game immediately. There was no way to escape out of the screen. Sorry -- just being absolutely honest and disclosing what happened.

[Golden Bear]

Originally posted by Rommel2D
$.10 brain? :hmmm: ...

$0.05 brain? Sigh, a Favre apologist. Good guy, good career, good player. But the string is played out.

But, good luck if he keeps playing!!

On another subject, did con have porn in his capitol? Just wondering...

[Shogun Gunner]

i was greated by that hot blonde in his avatar. :naughty:

next time I'll have to bring my avatar :D

[Rommel2D]

I loaded the last save to check- yep no password. :cute: (I especially like the one of her in the babushka.)

I don't feel any need to make excuses for Favre. His successes have come from his playing with his heart, his failures from when his brain gets in the way. The biggest difference right now is an incredible string of misfoutune (add '5th string RB shows brief flare of brilliance before going out for season' to above list).

Farve's 'decline' is the global warming of the NFL- there's obviously something going on, but no one can say for sure what. Those directly involved are the only ones in a position to voice an informed opinion, but I doubt any of them understand that entire situation more than 'top scientists' do the fate of our orb. The only thing I'd venture to point out is that, if there's any parallel to be drawn with his playing style, Favre giving up when the chips were stacked against him would have lowered the tally in his career W column quite a bit...

I should say my interests in football and the Packers are outside what I perceive as the norm. I watch games with the sound off, don't read sports columns (especially local press), avoid espn type shows- about the most social I've been recently was to play the office pool (picking each week's games) the last couple of years to take some money off the suckers that listen to announcers, read sports columnists, toss around the latest NFL gossip, etc. The game is the thing, the media destroys it. So I hope you don't mind if I drop the subject before something is said to make someone all hostile-like.

However, if anyone wants to talk baseball or golf, there's a couple of sports I like that lend themselves well to analysis and rumors...

[conmcb25]

Favre ia getting to be ancient by NFL standards. Him slowing down a bit doesn;t surprise me. But the injuries this year have killed GB.

Lets hope for some lick on sunday, losing twic in one year to the bears and especially losing at Lambeau makes me feel ill and ruins the whole season for me :barf:

[Golden Bear]

Originally posted by conmcb25
Him slowing down a bit doesn;t surprise me. But the injuries this year have killed GB.
me :barf:

Thank you for recognition of my suffering. LOL.

The Packers are only a shadow of what they once were... but that is football now. The trick is to turn the corner and rebuild. Teams that try to rebuild while not fading seem to suffer... one year they are awful and then the next get the weak, last place, schedule and then have a decent year. The better schedule kills them and they drop back. Repeat on and on. It seems actually better to hit rock bottom and get 2-3 years of dynamite draft choices and thus build a team of high draft choices. I suspect the Niners will be a power in about 2 years. Just a hunch.

I apologize if you, Rommel, thought that this was getting hostile. I will admit that I have never thought much of Favre's game but I totally, absolutely, respect what he has done and I have marvelled at his wonderful abilities for spectacular plays.

Honestly, his throws look as if they lack the incredible power that he used to summon. Boller threw such a hard ball in comparison to the formerly wonderful Favre that I really felt that the man would be better off getting out and letting his career speak for him. And he had some just outstanding games in that sequence... no doubt. No doubt.

But I wish him well in whatever he does. If he wants to come back, I hope that Walker can play again with panache and that he can find a young RB that can catch out of the backfield... and that he stops hurling the ball into impossible situations! At least he has not had all the concussions that knocked out Aikman and Young.

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by Shogun Gunner
...and you sent me the wrong save. Its the save file for your turn - and since you don't have a password - I saw your capital and exited the game immediately. There was no way to escape out of the screen. Sorry -- just being absolutely honest and disclosing what happened.

con - resend :doitnow!:

[Rommel2D]

I'm just a powder keg tonight with my worst exam coming up at 7:30 in the am. I don't know where you're pulling your assessments from. Even with my attempt at a media blackout, I still hear about Favre breaking Driver's fingers at practice, and that Holmgren described the season here as a five star conductor leading a two-bit band. I find it disingenuous when armchair quarterbacks feel the need to air judgement about situations they really have little information about, yet I feel ignoring someone to be a lack of respect on my part. So I'm just warning that I'm liable to fall into a vicious cycle here... (if I wasn't going to bed right now...)

[Shogun Gunner]

g-d damn is this a civ turn tracking thread or a NFL discussion board!?!???

I watch football all the time and I'm not sure what you two are talking about.

PLAY CIV.... Con, resend please.

[Shogun Gunner]

con, are you refusing to send the save to me? :naughty:

Is this your way of sabotaging the game? I'm so afraid five days will pass and you will abandon this game like some others in recent memory ;)

[Rommel2D]

Well, the latest patch is out, along with a beta version of PitBoss if we want to move to that. That way at least we can have an AI mafia-bot break con's kneecaps when he misses his turn... ;)

BTW, we found an AI diplomacy bug at the 11th hour- I'm not sure if the 1.52 version will 'take', if the bug isn't a big deal, or what, but you might want to give it a day or two to see how it pans out...

[Shogun Gunner]

con, resend. :angry:

[Shogun Gunner]

Con, I received your resend. However, the same exact situation occurred.

Originally posted by Shogun Gunner
...and you sent me the wrong save. Its the save file for your turn - and since you don't have a password - I saw your capital and exited the game immediately. There was no way to escape out of the screen. Sorry -- just being absolutely honest and disclosing what happened.

I'm really enjoying seeing your capital and all. Although I think I enjoyed the first time more than the second time.

[Rommel2D]

:shame:

[conmcb25]

Its a game amongst friends, no worries.

I dont know whats going on but Ill try and find the old save from rommel and replay

[Rommel2D]

Would you like me to resend it 5 or 6 more times? :cute:

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by Rommel2D
Would you like me to resend it 5 or 6 more times? :cute:

:lol:

:tongue:

[Golden Bear]

Maybe you guys need to wait for 2 or 3 more patches to come out before you play your turns.

[conmcb25]

The correct save to SSG

[Rommel2D]

Speaking of patches, Sabrewolf's reporting that PBEM games won't upgrade to the new patch again. I've got a dual install anyway, so whatever you gents decide is fine with me. The bug I had with resource trading doesn't look bad at least so the patch looks very good except for the PBEM thing... :crook:

[Rommel2D]

Did Santa replace Shogun's PC with a lump of coal?

[the patch shouldn't be a problem- was there an admin password on this?]

[Shogun Gunner]

Sorry for the delay. I'll get at my saves this weekend - If you guys are still interested in continuing. If not, I understand.

[Rommel2D]

I've long since ditched my dual install, but if you guys want to try and update to the next patch version or start over then, I'm in for that...