The Magnificent Eight

[marcuspeddle]

I'm looking for eight players to play on a continents or smaller landmass map. No AI and Noble Level.

Player 1 - Masuro - ?
Player 2 - Platypus Rex - Egypt
Player 3 - Grandpa Troll - Persia
Player 4 - Emperor V - Mali
Player 5 - Sabrewolf - Germany (Frederick)
Player 6 - gargamel - India (Ghandi)
Player 7 - John-SJ - Rome
Player 8 - Kailes - Russia

Order to be posted later.

[Addled Platypus]

stop twisting my arm...in as Egypt

[Shogun Gunner]

sorry to intrude, you will want to make the first player in a PBEM as AI, then retire the civ after one turn.

There's a bug in cIV which doesn't allow the first player to trade techs. We just found out and needed to restart several PBEMs.

[Addled Platypus]

I just tried that-no can do

I am guessing who ever sets up has to be first to play

[Shogun Gunner]

right, you could have nine players and player 1 plays 1 and 2...just retire the civ on the first turn.

[Addled Platypus]

so the first two spots can be human as well

[Shogun Gunner]

yes, i should have read the OP more carefully - i see you all don't want AI in the game. so, both positions human and the first player plays both turns, retiring "player1" position on the first turn.

[marcuspeddle]

Thanks for the help.

How do I retire a civ?

[Shogun Gunner]

ALT-Q retires the civ

[marcuspeddle]

Merci. :)

Now, I just need some players.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro
Merci. :)

Now, I just need some players.
Well, Ill take Persia thanks:b:

[marcuspeddle]

Merci :)

[Emperor_V]

I'll take munsa mansa pls

vger-at-shaw-dot-ca

[marcuspeddle]

Thanks for joining.

[sabrewolf]

i'll try frederick if i may :)

[marcuspeddle]

You may and welcome. :)

[sabrewolf]

how long do we wait to fill all the slots?

[Gargamel]

I'll give it a try as Ghandi.

[John-SJ]

I'll take a spot I guess, as Rome, please.

[Kailes]

I'll play as Catherine

[John-SJ]

:D That looks like 8 players!

[Addled Platypus]

:ana: :bounce: :ana:

[John-SJ]

Hey! What's that green thing in the middle trying to pretend to be a banana? Imposter bananas must be shot! :eek:

[marcuspeddle]

Any ideas on game speed? Standard? Epic?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro
Any ideas on game speed? Standard? Epic?

pick it and start my friend

lets rock n roll:b:

[marcuspeddle]

Grandpa Troll, did you get your problems sorted out with Civ4?

[sabrewolf]

preferably not epic, imho

[Addled Platypus]

Originally posted by John-SJ
Hey! What's that green thing in the middle trying to pretend to be a banana? Imposter bananas must be shot! :eek:

It's happy fun ball*


* old saturday night live parody commercial

[marcuspeddle]

Normal, then?

[marcuspeddle]

The game order is

Masuro
Sabrewolf
Kailes
Emperor V
Gargamel
Grandpa Troll
Platypus
John SJ

[marcuspeddle]

Sabrewolf, I need your email.

Mine is euphrates at kornet dot net

[sabrewolf]

i am a late night player mostly because i often am not home until 23:00 local time, so maybe better if you put kailes (same time zone) before me (if not too late).

my email address is sabrewolf TA blackhole TOD ch

looking forward :)

[marcuspeddle]

Okay. Order changed.

[marcuspeddle]

And we're off. :) Player one axed and my turn played.

I need Kailes' email address.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro
Grandpa Troll, did you get your problems sorted out with Civ4?

yes sir

looking forward:b:

[Kailes]

E-Mail: Algiz.Rune@gmx.de

[Gargamel]

My email is joegloseng ta yahoo dot com.. thanks for letting me join. ;)

[Gargamel]

I posted this message with entirely different text, due to some confusion from strange saves in a different game.. please disregard this message.

:rolleyes: :)

[marcuspeddle]

Originally posted by Gargamel
My email is joegloseng ta yahoo dot com.. thanks for letting me join. ;)

Thanks for joining. :)

[sabrewolf]

4000bc to emperor V :dance:


masuro, you forgot to name the scenario. now the saves are left in a folder called "PC" ;)

what were the final map settings actually?

[marcuspeddle]

Umm . . . . .

Continents, random sea level, temperate.

Sorry about forgetting to change the game name. I had to rename the folder in my computer. Doh.

[Emperor_V]

Game ON!! Sent to gargamel

[Gargamel]

Great timing.. I just got home from work..

Did my turn.. just need Grampa Troll's email and I'll be able to send it off.

[Gargamel]

I'm going to be headed to work soon, for the next 9 hours. I will send the save to Masuro, I'm sure he has Grandpa Troll's email. Hopefully we can get things rolling again by my doing this.

[Shogun Gunner]

Originally posted by Gargamel
I'm going to beheaded at work soon...

I hope you are okay ;)

[Gargamel]

With the way work's been going, I wouldn't be surprised, really. :lol:

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Gargamel
I'm going to be headed to work soon, for the next 9 hours. I will send the save to Masuro, I'm sure he has Grandpa Troll's email. Hopefully we can get things rolling again by my doing this.

pm'd the info to ya

[marcuspeddle]

Me as well. Should have checked the thread first. Anyway, save forwarded to Grandpa Troll for Gargamel.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro
Me as well. Should have checked the thread first. Anyway, save forwarded to Grandpa Troll for Gargamel.

one thing you have to really watch here

Masuro

in two games with you both go to a folder called "PC"

I created a folder for mag-8

but it looks to be something we may need to address community wide to be careful and name the game as when you start getting into a lot of games the saves dont come in marked so it becomes increasingly more difficult to decipher what save is for what game

4000 b c to P-Rex

[marcuspeddle]

Would anyone like a restart to fix the folder/game name problem? I can see how it might create problems a little later as people get involved in more games. We're still at 4000 BC so it's not like we are losing much.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro
Would anyone like a restart to fix the folder/game name problem? I can see how it might create problems a little later as people get involved in more games. We're still at 4000 BC so it's not like we are losing much.

im good with restart:b:

[John-SJ]

I'm fine with a restart, and it would make things easier for each game to go into a unique folder.

[Gargamel]

I'm cool with a restart.. though I'll lose my 1st city site.. which was about 7 flood plains, w/ a cow, gold, incense, and rivers all around :( Would've been a trade/population behemoth.. oh well hehe

[Addled Platypus]

I will abstain on restart

to Johnsj

[Kailes]

I'm fine with a restart.

[marcuspeddle]

Five have agreed to a restart with one opposed. Let's see what the remaining two people think.

[Grandpa Troll]

4000 b c to P rex

folder is still PC not Magnificent 8 though

[Gargamel]

Originally posted by Masuro
Five have agreed to a restart with one opposed. Let's see what the remaining two people think.

Hmm perhaps I spoke too soon about my starting loc :lol:

[sabrewolf]

oh... my starting location was actually pretty decent with a few forests and 2 visible resources (1 in city radius)... too bad... :(

[Grandpa Troll]

indeed

hope all recoup on this new start;)

[sabrewolf]

no, i meant "too bad" we restarted
it was my best PBEM start in civ4 so far ;)

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
no, i meant "too bad" we restarted
it was my best PBEM start in civ4 so far ;)

yeah, I picked up on that..was being umm..

[sabrewolf]

:lol:

[Addled Platypus]

4000 to John-SJ

[marcuspeddle]

I have restarted the game and sent it to Kailes.

I hope no one's start is worse than mine . . . . .

[Kailes]

The save hasn't arrived yet. I also checked if it was declared as spam, but there was no mail.

Please send it again.

[marcuspeddle]

Sent again.

[Kailes]

4000 BC. Sent to Sabrewolf.

Has anyone else problems with the ingame mail-tool?

[marcuspeddle]

I can't use it. My ISP requires authentication. :( I hope it gets fixed in a patch.

[sabrewolf]

4000bc to emperor v

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Masuro
I can't use it. My ISP requires authentication. :( I hope it gets fixed in a patch.

mine too...

alexman (former active apolytonee, now works at firaxis) said that this is known but won't be done too soon. i agree with him... there are more pressing issues to deal with first :)

cheers

[Emperor_V]

No problems with ingame mail here... Why did we restart this game? Yes, there are bugs, but they barely affect gameplay... just semantics.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Emperor_V
No problems with ingame mail here... Why did we restart this game? Yes, there are bugs, but they barely affect gameplay... just semantics.

because of game name

you see, many of us here are in several games

and as game progresses it will become much more confusing:confused:

the game was being saved in a folder called pc as were at least one other game

[John-SJ]

3960 B.C. forwarded to Masuro.

Oddly, I have exactly the same start as the original game, and it still saves in the PC folder. I emailed Platypus (who is before me in the turn order) and he confirmed the same thing. Is it possible that someone earlier emailed the wrong turn to their next in line?

[sabrewolf]

i checked my file date and it was surely the new one... so it must have happened after my turn. so emperor V or later...

[marcuspeddle]

I got a save file from Garagamel by mistake and no save from John-SJ. Did you use euphrates at kornet dot net?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro
I got a save file from Garagamel by mistake and no save from John-SJ. Did you use euphrates at kornet dot net?

i got the save and sent to p-rex

not a bad start

wioll strive to persevere from here:cool:

[John-SJ]

Originally posted by Masuro
I got a save file from Garagamel by mistake and no save from John-SJ. Did you use euphrates at kornet dot net?

I just forwarded my save to you again. And I did use the euphrates address originally. *shrugs*

[marcuspeddle]

I'll have to check when I get home this evening.

Is it just me, or does it seem like there are two games going on here at the same time . . . . . . ?

[marcuspeddle]

This is frustrating. It's gone back to saving in a folder called PC. It's tempting to just give it up and wait until a patch is released . . . .

[sabrewolf]

i really don't care about that folder name. let's at least play for a while and maybe later it can be fixed... and if not... so what, we'll take it from the "PC" folder ;)


but masuro: are you sure you did not load an old file? or did you open the file directly from the email attachment? if so, first save it, then open it from the pecunia main menu.

[John-SJ]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
......
but masuro: are you sure you did not load an old file? or did you open the file directly from the email attachment? if so, first save it, then open it from the pecunia main menu.

Huh? Is opening directly from the email attachment somehow a bad choice? It seems to me that if you open from the attachment there is no chance of accidentally picking the wrong save-game from the ingame load game dialog.

[Kailes]

Originally posted by Masuro
This is frustrating. It's gone back to saving in a folder called PC. It's tempting to just give it up and wait until a patch is released . . . .
Actually you have not yet received the savegame from the game that was called "Magnificent Eight". As John-SJ mentioned, his startposition was the same as the one in our first try. So the savegames have been mixed up at some point.
I just checked the dates of the savegames I sent to sabrewolf and I am absolutely sure, that I have sent the right savegame. And Sabrewolf already said that he also sent the right save.

[sabrewolf]

some people still have not posted here if they sent on the right save.

anyhow, i sent the correct save to emperor V with a short explanation to know whether he used the correct file.
please guys, let us sort this out and whoever was the first to not use the correct subfolder "The Magnificent Eight" should post here... and try it again. it's not that hard :doitnow!:

[sabrewolf]

sorry that my last post sounded so bitter, but this is pretty frustrating :(

[Addled Platypus]

I will bw the first :bash:

4000 bc to John-SJ

I found out that after I alt-D and put in my e addy and other e addy....

the game created its own folder complete with game title !

[sabrewolf]

cool :)

[marcuspeddle]

My first turn went into a folder the computer created called "Magnificent Eight". I checked my sent folder in Eudora and the correct save went to Kailes.

[John-SJ]

Hoorah! I just sent off the turn back to Masuro, (using your new address) and it was definitely the correct one. Saved in the new folder, new start position, looks like we are a GO! :b:

[marcuspeddle]

I sent the save to Kailes yesterday. I was right; there were two games going on at the same time. Anyway, I will play this evening and send the game to Kailes.

[Emperor_V]

lol

[sabrewolf]

:dance:

[marcuspeddle]

Okay. I've changed my name back to Masuro. Game played, saved (went in the proper folder), and sent to Kailes.

[Kailes]

3960 BC. Sent to sabrewolf.

[sabrewolf]

what's wrong now?
for one, it seems to be the first game again. and second, it saved it in the PC folder again...
and there seem to be 2 kailes in this game.

wierd, really wierd.

although, i wouldn't mind seeing the 2nd game run further too. the start was pretty nice there...

[sabrewolf]

anyhow, 3960bc sent on to emperor V...

[Kailes]

Sorry, this time around it was my mistake, which should be corrected now. I guess there are two Kailes' in the game because on civ had to retire right at the beginning in order to prevent bugs.

[sabrewolf]

perfect... got it, played it, sent it...
3960bc (the real deal) to emperor V

[John-SJ]

I would like to make a suggestion that may save us all some time and further frustration.

Unless you currently have a save for this game that you have not sent yet, just delete ALL saves so that there is no chance in the future of sending the wrong one. Or, if you would rather not delete them just move them all to a different save folder, one that will not be confused with the real one.

This may be a bit of an extreme measure, but it could end up benefitting all of us. :)

[marcuspeddle]

I have done just that. :)

[Gargamel]

Save received, played, sent to GT. Definitely from the second game.

[sabrewolf]

hey guys, the patch was released and withdrawn again. but it is probably going to be back again any day soon. shall we
- patch it immediately for everybody
- wait until the round is done and masuro patches first
- something else?

[marcuspeddle]

I bought my copy from a download service and the patch might be a little later for me.

Why was the patch withdrawn?

[Addled Platypus]

Originally posted by Masuro

Why was the patch withdrawn?


indeed

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Masuro
I bought my copy from a download service and the patch might be a little later for me.
really? where is that from?

Why was the patch withdrawn?
don't know,... but in this thread (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144021) somebody posted about it and markG censored it out. and the main page does not seem to mention it. to me it seems like they had a glitch and did not want to go through the same fiasko they had in C3C in one of the patches (1.16 or so, iirc) which was completely broken and had to be patched again a few days after

[marcuspeddle]

direct2drive.com.

[John-SJ]

I believe the best thing to do would be to wait for the patch to be available for auto-update. When it is available for one it will be available for all, so whoever is the first to play after the patch goes live, just let the patcher do its thing and everyone after will then do the same.

[Grandpa Troll]

3960 b c to p rex:b:

[Addled Platypus]

3960 ^ John-SJ

[Addled Platypus]

patch is out
http://apolyton.net/dir/index.php?id=4981&t=reviews&toprate=5.0000&tophits=5594&cat=350

what's the choice gents?

[marcuspeddle]

It isn't out for those of us who purchased the game from Direct2Drive. Hopefully it won't be too long before it's available.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro
It isn't out for those of us who purchased the game from Direct2Drive. Hopefully it won't be too long before it's available.

indeed!

[marcuspeddle]

Sent to Kailes

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro
Sent to Kailes

so direct to drive doesnt really give the game to ya?

sad indeed:(

[marcuspeddle]

No, it's a download. Patches are seperate. Direct2Drive is owned by IGN (Gamespy) so it probably won't be long.

[sabrewolf]

the problem is that some of us are in other PBEMs where the patches will be used pretty soon.

[John-SJ]

Originally posted by Masuro
No, it's a download. Patches are seperate. Direct2Drive is owned by IGN (Gamespy) so it probably won't be long.

I don't get it. It's the same game right? Why can't you just d/l the patch from Apolyton, or better yet, use the check for update feature in CIV and d/l it from the publisher? Why is it necessary to wait for direct2disk?

[marcuspeddle]

The CD version and the download version are different somehow. I don't know why a patch for one won't work with the other but that is what it says on the website.

[sabrewolf]

the difference is probably that you have a no-CD patch like version.

anyhow, the UNPATCHED game used to play 3920bc and send to emperor V :)

[marcuspeddle]

Don't hesitate to patch if your other games are upgrading. It's no sense holding up many games for this one.

[Grandpa Troll]

I havent patched due to problems associated with the current release:(

[marcuspeddle]

You mean the patch has problems?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro
You mean the patch has problems?

thats what I am hearing

gonna wait a little longer to see since some have and some havent had problems

may not be the patych but a combination of other things//who knows:hmmm:

[Grandpa Troll]

ok

Im patched and no problems

lets rock and roll folks:b:

[Addled Platypus]

I have to confirm the issues

1. I get a message about a file not loading
2. played for about 7-8 hours and crashed, no warning

I dont think any of those should effect game play

[marcuspeddle]

No patch for us download folk yet.

[Addled Platypus]

gota ask

why should it be different?

[sabrewolf]

because he doesn't have a physical CD to put in ;)

anyhow, i'm still up for it :)

[Addled Platypus]

patched, ready

[marcuspeddle]

Don't know why the patch should be different but there you are. I'll keep checking the site for a patch. If it doesn't come soon I may buy a proper copy of the game. Though that means using CDs. :(

[sabrewolf]

masuro: the "using CD" part is really annoying, especially as my small travel notebook doesn't have an internal drive and external ones are too resource hungry to be USB-powered.

but there always are alternative methods, such as *cough*no*cough*cd thingies. or the "do it yourself" version of that (create an image of the DVD/CDs, mount it, play)

[sabrewolf]

anyhow, is there anybody who didn't have a password set? if so, can that person replay the game with the new patch. afaik that is the only problem.

[marcuspeddle]

I have no password. Is this trouble . . . . .?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Masuro
I have no password. Is this trouble . . . . .?

no thats a good thing:b:

[Gargamel]

Hey guys.. sorry to bow out now, but I've sold my copy of Civ4, so I'm gonna have to bow out of this game. My apologies.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Gargamel
Hey guys.. sorry to bow out now, but I've sold my copy of Civ4, so I'm gonna have to bow out of this game. My apologies.

ok

c ya around

wanna just start a new game guys?

Just a thought:idea:

[Kailes]

That would probably be the easiest way to solve the problems.
But we should wait until Masuro has access to the patch.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Kailes
That would probably be the easiest way to solve the problems.
But we should wait until Masuro has access to the patch.

good idea

maybe instead of Magnificent 8

we will call in the 7 swords of the samurai

[marcuspeddle]

I wonder if perhaps I should bow out as well. I don't know when the patch will come and, if there are several patches for this game, we will have to repeat these long delays several times.

[sabrewolf]

this is YOUR thread, so we'll hang along with you.
and if we really cannot wait, we can always start our own game :p

[sabrewolf]

dp

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
this is YOUR thread, so we'll hang along with you.
and if we really cannot wait, we can always start our own game :p

great call

ohh and Masuro

maybe buying a CD isnt such a bad deal after all:hmmm:

[marcuspeddle]

Yeah. But it's really expensive because it's a direct import (Civ4 isn't officially released here yet).

[marcuspeddle]

Oh, found it at YesAsia for US $42.99 but it's the DVD version. Arrghh . . . . .

[Grandpa Troll]

had d2d speculated when they will have the working patch?

[marcuspeddle]

I've been checking their site but no word yet.
The patch isn't even on the official Civ4 site yet. :eek: I guess they use fan sites as testing grounds before releasing to the general (i.e. non-fanatical) public.

[Addled Platypus]

any way of retiring the vast Empire Masuro or let it be run by AI?


I am trying to bribe another sub, let you know shortly

[marcuspeddle]

I could press alt-q in my latest turn and then send the save on.

[sabrewolf]

uhm, masuro... have you seen this link: http://planetcivilization.gamespy.com/View.php?view=Patches.Detail&id=26 ?

it looks like the D2D patch already exists :) but only since about 2-3 days...

[marcuspeddle]

Found it this morning. :)

Who has the turn?

[sabrewolf]

i thought we had to restart due to the password issue.
however, masuro, if you didn't have a password set, maybe you can try loading your latest turn?

[marcuspeddle]

Since Gargamel has quit the game, I suggest we start over with a Magnificent Seven game. A fresh start is always good. The PBEM trading bug was fixed, right?

[sabrewolf]

afaik yes... at least i have not heard anybody grumbling about this anymore...

[marcuspeddle]

I just loaded up a pre-patch single player game and everything worked fine. Some people said they had trouble after patching so I was a bit worried. The game seems to be running more smoothly.

[Emperor_V]

Well gents,

I was in 12 pbems, and now that the incredible geniuses at Firaxis or 2k or whever the bureaucracy of this game screwed up, every one of the 12 games is unplayable due to several issues:

unable to enter pw and press enter,
pw's are no longer needed and when I enter the game, it just sits there saying waiting for other civilizations,
unable to perform any actions... game is frozen.

Looks like every pbem has to be scrapped, and I will not be starting any new ones, because I'm sure the so called geniuses at Firaxis and 2k or wherever will have overseen these issues and any new ones which will rise up at the next patch... until they make us buy an add on pack, which of course will have to be patched at least 2 times, before they make us buy another add on pack, which of course will have to be patched 2 times before civ5 comes out promising better things.... lol, and we're the idiots who buy these games and get addicted to them. What geniuses.

[marcuspeddle]

Sorry to see you go but I can certainly understand your frustration. I purposely didn't start many PBEM games because I was afraid this kind of thing would happen.

Do we go with Magnificent 6 or just say bugger it?

[sabrewolf]

i vote for "try again"!

unlike E_V i only lost 3 games which were in average at turn 4 or so... so a shame, but not a tragedy.

[marcuspeddle]

Okay. There are only six of us now. What size map would you like to try? My system handles small maps very well and spends a lot of time churning through large maps. Standard? Small? On a small map we will probably get 3 or 4 cities each.

[sabrewolf]

6 in small is a bit tight. although, it will make early warfare more likely and resource distribution less optimal (someone is bound to not have copper, iron and horses and is screwed)

[Grandpa Troll]

well

it is a game

I simply restarted the games that were unplayable

I vote to move forward

@ Emperor V

will miss ya but this is the gaming industry

things unfortunately do happen:(


lets start a game, c'mon folks we been wasting enuff time

Gramps

[sabrewolf]

are we going to resurrect this one? :)

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
are we going to resurrect this one? :)

sabrewolf

start one and Ill join in:b:

too much lets wait for him or her

that oughtta tell ya who is and is not a regular;)

[sabrewolf]

i've started waaaay too many. 2 of them died before the first round went past.

before i start the next, i'll have to figure out who is reliable enough ;)

[marcuspeddle]

After the patch killed the first PBEM games I lost interest, really. Single player was interesting for a couple of weeks but soon became dull. Not because the game is bad but because I was playing Civ 3 for a couple of years and it is more or less the same (though improved in many respects).

[Grandpa Troll]

Im having a blast

me and Vovan, P Rex in a few, Glenn is hanging tough

maybe another try, eh Masuro?

[marcuspeddle]

Perhaps next year sometime. When they get the pit boss thing set up.

[sabrewolf]

although i tell myself that i prefer civ4, i must admit that civ3 was more addictive in SP.
but still... PBEMs are a must :)