[PBEM] Vovan and Grandpa Troll vs. The World

[vovan]

Players:
Team 1: Vovan (Random - America, Washington), Grandpa Troll (Random - Inca)
Team 2: AI (Random), AI (Random)
Team 3: AI (Random), AI (Random)
Team 4: AI (Random), AI (Random)

Difficulty: Noble
Map: Terra
Size: Normal
Speed: Quick
Starting Age: Ancient

Our starting location is very nice. Right on the coast, with fish immediately available, and cows and wheat when the borders expand first, which won't take too long. :)

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We already have fishing and agriculture, so two of the health resources are immediately available. So, we started research on the wheel so we can connect these up with our other cities, and our ally. :)

Save on to Mr. Troll. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

back at you

I found a two shield two food tile on ocean and will settle next turn

Back to ya

[vovan]

:hmmm: Your email was labeled as junk. What evil Outlook is doing, putting PBEM games into junk folder. :rolleyes:

Friendly villagers gave us 94 gold. :)

In other news, my name somehow got changed to the name of the computer. :hmmm:

In other news still, in-game emailing thingey doesn't want to play nice. :hmmm:

Back to you, Mr. Troll.

[Grandpa Troll]

back to you Vovan

settled my first city

[vovan]

Back to you. :)

[ChrisiusMaximus]

plenty of pics lads got to keep us poor civ addicts who dont have this game yet sane you know ;)

[Addled Platypus]

Originally posted by vovan
:hmmm: Your email was labeled as junk. What evil Outlook is doing, putting PBEM games into junk folder. :rolleyes:


In other news still, in-game emailing thingey doesn't want to play nice. :hmmm:

Back to you, Mr. Troll.

FYI snoopy369 is getting in contact, about these issues

[vovan]

Originally posted by ChrisiusMaximus
plenty of pics lads got to keep us poor civ addicts who dont have this game yet sane you know

Yes, sir. Won't disappoint, sir. :) I actually thought of making this sort of all story-like, so it would actually not be boring to read for people. :)

There isn't much to see now though, a couple turns in, stuff looks much the same as it did in the screenshot in the original post, just a little more explored area. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

3850 b c back

I am having one technical issue

I may hava slight problems with scrren shots

I pres the print screen ingame
but they are not saving to the screen shot folder

hmmm

Gramps

[vovan]

:hmmm: That's odd, indeed.

It looks like we are about to invent the wheel, now that our friends the Inca are ready to sit down and scratch their heads real hard, too. :)

What shall our next target be? I think maybe we should try for a religion?

Next turn to you, Mr. Troll.

[Grandpa Troll]

I can still do the old ctrl + c and then alt tab and save to my psp7

In game, I switched from writing to meditation as you have writing so we can switch tech back and forth

no sense us both accomplishing same goal:b:

3800 b c back

[vovan]

And off to you now, Mr. Troll. :)

In the mean time, our warriors have found more cows and are now heading into a big old desert to the north of our settlement in hopes of discovering incense and other goods :)

Vovan

[Grandpa Troll]

indeed good luck

[vovan]

Discovered a nice freshwater lake smack in the middle of the desert. :lol:

[Grandpa Troll]

so we cant trade tech now or ever?

turn back my friend
soon you and I wil meet:b:

[vovan]

Well, we share tech, so whatever you have, I have, even without alphabet, which I believe is what we would need to trade with the AIs.

We have finally figured out how to use the fancy round things to make transportation faster. :b: The next order of business is trying to tame the wild horned beasts roaming outside both our great capitals.

Vovan

[Grandpa Troll]

horned beasts?


well..pucker up
:D

[vovan]

Looks like we are about to make contact with the Indians. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Looks like we are about to make contact with the Indians. :cute:

3600 back

in our cap city we have deer,cows and marble just outside:b:

[vovan]

:hmmm: Looks like it's the Romans we will be meeting, and it looks also like they have just beat us to Buddhism. :) Why don't we both go for Polytheism now to ensure we get at least some religion on our side? :)

[Grandpa Troll]

Yes we did meet Rome

[Grandpa Troll]

.....and Rome is between us

[vovan]

Back to you. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

im concentrating on upgrading my city

your going barracks

my second choice:b:

[vovan]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
im concentrating on upgrading my city

your going barracks

my second choice

I was going to switch to worker as soon as I hit population 3. :)

In the mean time, would you like to switch to polytheism real quick, so we can get the benefit of shared research and knock out a religion tech? :)

In other news, I met Hatshepsut, who is apparently in an alliance with Frederick of the Germans. :)

Vovan

[Grandpa Troll]

met Egypt:b:

4 turns to Polytheism

[vovan]

Off to you, sir. :) I think it's the last turn for me for the night. Good progress today. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Off to you, sir. :) I think it's the last turn for me for the night. Good progress today. :)

headed to bed as well

3 turns to poly

[vovan]

Kicked some lion ass and discovered gold. :):b: The gold is real close to Rome though, so I'm not sure we could get our grubby hands on it... Depends on where Rome decides to plop down the first colony, I guess.

Off to you, Señor Troll.

[Grandpa Troll]

2 turns to Poly

off and exploring to the northwests

the northern land of Rome is ICE..brrrrr

[vovan]

Looks like we will have the tech next turn as long as nobody snatches it now. :) It would be sad if that happened. ;)

Vovan

[Grandpa Troll]

Im showing one turn to Poly

looking good
3300 back to ya:b: :cool:

[vovan]

Looks like we got Poly, but whether we got the religion to go with it, I wouldn't know. :hmmm:

:)

Back to you. :b:

[Grandpa Troll]

I am attaching a screen

shows you have Hinduism in 3300 b c

congrats:D :b:

[vovan]

Originally posted by Grandpa Troll
I am attaching a screen

shows you have Hinduism in 3300 b c


Great. :D We shall soon have some converting to do. :cute:

In the mean time, we have adopted Hinduism as our state religion, and reverted back to researching Animal Husbandry.

Vovan

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan


Great. :D We shall soon have some converting to do. :cute:

In the mean time, we have adopted Hinduism as our state religion, and reverted back to researching Animal Husbandry.

Vovan

so advise me..I now have it also and if so do I need to change anything?

Gramps

turn on:b:

[vovan]

I believe you should have the tech also, yes. You could switch to Hinduism as your state religion, however, I don't know if that would be beneficial right now. Later on, when I get to build a Hindu shrine, then every city with Hinduism will bring in more $$, so it might be a good idea to have us both set to the same religion. As for now, it only affects relationships with other civs (so Rome would think bad of you if you switch to Hinduism, and others don't care, as they don't have any religion yet at all.)

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
I believe you should have the tech also, yes. You could switch to Hinduism as your state religion, however, I don't know if that would be beneficial right now. Later on, when I get to build a Hindu shrine, then every city with Hinduism will bring in more $$, so it might be a good idea to have us both set to the same religion. As for now, it only affects relationships with other civs (so Rome would think bad of you if you switch to Hinduism, and others don't care, as they don't have any religion yet at all.)

I was looking in wrong screen:o :relief: :bash: :idiot:

Im switching to it now

^%$#&$%Rome:doitnow!: :mad: :eek:

[vovan]

It would appear that we have run into Frederick's land just to the west of Rome. Our first conversion victim? :evilgrin:

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
It would appear that we have run into Frederick's land just to the west of Rome. Our first conversion victim? :evilgrin:

indeed
since you and I both will have animal husbandry in 2

I switched to pottery for granaries

Turn onwards

[vovan]

I switched to pottery for granaries

And don't forget cottages. :b: We could make use of more commerce. :D

[Grandpa Troll]

indeed

i dropped back on research to 80%

this will give me some gold per turn

[vovan]

As we start work on a settler, it's off to you, again. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

still searching the countryside


and settler training ongoing

[vovan]

Animal Husbandry at the end of next turn. Also, starting to farm some of that wheat. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

I too am farming as well

Cattle tile and more food to help grow with another farm

[vovan]

Got Animal Husbandry, so you can get that cattle now. :) Also found a prime site for the next city, I think. Will post a screenie next turn maybe when I explore it a little more. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

Great

Not growing as fast as you but will do better as time goes onward:b:

[vovan]

Now researching mining. Useful to get some more hammers going, also tp make use of the marble and stone we have to help along with the wonders, and of course, it is one of the techs on the path to ocean sailing which we need to get our grubby hands on first, so we could get a choice piece of the new world later on. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

excellent

[vovan]

As the wheat farm is finished, boosting the food production of Washington, there is sad news: the band of our brave explorer warriors was not heard from since the previous turns. A pack of lions in the hills south of Rome is suspected of murdering every last one of them. :crook:

[Grandpa Troll]

I saw this fella..he was burping....and rubbing his tummy

my lawd:eek:

[vovan]

Back to you, Mr. Troll. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

Im gonna destroy the farm and make a sheep pen

I think I saw a visitor coming from west..as screen dissappeared with save

bedtime

menyana

[vovan]

OK. Made some great progress today. :)

Vovan

[Grandpa Troll]

indeed

i sent it to ya

not much happening

watching an iceberg to the north

[vovan]

Back to you, Mr. Troll. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

and to ya as well

workers completing chores as we speak

[vovan]

Looks like we are discovering techs left and right. :) Also looks like my settler will be complete next turn. I hope his escort does not suffer the same fate as our last warrior. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

working on Hunting now:b:
soon I too shall have another settler:b:

[vovan]

And the settler is off to expand our empire. :) Research has also started on Sailing. (Oh and also: Caesar adopts slavery, so he already has bronze working. Looks like he can't wait for Praetorians. :cute: )

[Grandpa Troll]

my settler ready to go

now what does Bismark have up his sleeve with the scout near my north iceberg observation point:hmmm:

[vovan]

Going for that settling site. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

I as well

I hope we can do something to maybe..um...open up the available land

like say...make our neighbors an offer they cant refuse?

[vovan]

Hopefully I'll be able to snatch those horses with my second city, that would certainly strengthen our military. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

indeed

a little slow getting started but looks like Ill grab a little wind soon

[vovan]

Off to you, Mr. Troll. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

we founded our second city

In other news Lions attacked a unit of ours and great news..Steak fer supper:eek:

[vovan]

Here's the known world. Looks like we don't have any copper yet. :crook: Maybe we'll have better luck with iron. :)

Vovan

[Grandpa Troll]

Headed after Priesthood

Tell me Vovan

Will you get the medicinal benefits of deer?

[vovan]

I'm not sure if I we have to trade for it explicitly, or if the resources will be shared once we establish a trade route...

[Grandpa Troll]

starting a mine in my Capital

[vovan]

Washington has finished training explorers, so hopfully, we can find some more juicy sites to settle. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

Rome I believe has a warrior headed south toward you as well as hesapeth the yellow folks

[vovan]

Building up some defenses, just in case. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

Im gonna have to seriously contemplate Romes land as a viable option

I can expand a little

well..time will tell

[vovan]

Great.. Greeks plopped their city down right next to me. Well, guess who will be becoming a Hindu soon. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

go get them:D

[vovan]

Got Sailing. On to Bronze working. :evilgrin:

[Grandpa Troll]

gonna gamble on something

Im gonna fortify on a nice piece of land
and settle it
right between two of his cities:evilgrin: :lol:

[vovan]

Ooh. You might want to build the stonehenge then, to get culture and make sure your city doesn't flip. I was going to go for it (only 9 turns till completion, and plus, I am about to get my hands on Stone, which would cut it down even further), but I can let you have it, if you want.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Ooh. You might want to build the stonehenge then, to get culture and make sure your city doesn't flip. I was going to go for it (only 9 turns till completion, and plus, I am about to get my hands on Stone, which would cut it down even further), but I can let you have it, if you want.

no..you go for it

i dont have a settler yet no ready for that

so please have at it

[vovan]

Well, I'm not sure... Washington is growing like crazy, so I am pondering whether I should try for a wonder, or maybe churn out some more settlers instead. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

Im trying to pump out some settlers on my end

lagging behind something fierce:doitnow!:

[vovan]

Back to you. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

2 turns for meditation (Buddhism)

[vovan]

And back to you again. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

3rd city settled:b:

[vovan]

:b:

[Grandpa Troll]

4 turns to archery:b: :naughty:

[vovan]

Almost there with bronze wokring. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

inswws awesome

I have connected our 3rd city to our Capital..sharing the abundance of wealth and resources..


Back to you

[vovan]

Last in score... :shame:

We'll overpower the enemies though. :evilgrin:

BTW, I'll be working on writing after this, so I can get Open Borders with greeks and send my missionaries their way. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

HEH HEH HEH

Preach to them Heathens

:doitnow!: :lol:
working on a camp to help with them furs:D

[vovan]

Meh. Both Rome and Greece founded their third city. That kinda limits my expansion options here...

[Grandpa Troll]

soon archery then maybe I will consider massing up me men merry they be when they can acquire more real estate:D

[vovan]

Looks like we have copper after all. :):b:

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Looks like we have copper after all. :):b:

indeedy:D

Im gonna go for it

build a barracks and start training some units

all these visitors seem to have me concerned..hope its just a false alarm

[vovan]

Found a nice bit of land, squeezed bewteen Germany, Rome, and Greece. Something tells me I might want to build some walls around that city. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

great
I see where antium has an archer and two warriors defending it

should takle a lot to take and hold that city:hmmm:

[vovan]

And it's located on a hill. :hmmm:

You see these Germans up here, right next to my settler? Yeah, they got beat to it. :cute: (Glad I took the risk and sent the settler out unprotected, else it'd be slowed down by the warrior and surely wouldn't make it in time...)

[Grandpa Troll]

off to take a city space away from Rome Expanding toward me anymore


researching masonry now, IIRC:scared:

[vovan]

Looks like our team is now in second place. :evilgrin::b:

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Looks like our team is now in second place. :evilgrin::b:

Thanks to your leadership and expertise:b:

[vovan]

Well, just an update on our little religious endeavor. :) The missionary will be completed at the end of the next turn, and Writing will be researched the turn after that. It is at that point that we will be converting the Greeks to the true ways, and hopefully they will switch they state religion and do their share of promoting Hinduism throughout the world. It would be very helpful to have them at least somewhat friendly towards us, in our imminent struggle against the Romans.

[Grandpa Troll]

you wont like this:scared:

[vovan]

Hehe, ah, well, plenty of time still to beat them. ;) Plus, as soon as we figure out the whole alphabet bit, we can trade techs, for an even better advantage. :evilgrin:

I think that's all for me for the night. Time to go watch the Thrashers get beat by the Flyers. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Hehe, ah, well, plenty of time still to beat them. ;) Plus, as soon as we figure out the whole alphabet bit, we can trade techs, for an even better advantage. :evilgrin:

I think that's all for me for the night. Time to go watch the Thrashers get beat by the Flyers. :cute:

4th city

great time today

my Wolfpack beat Fl State seminoles

[vovan]

Well, my missionary is on the Greek borders, and writing is discovered. All is set for some religious conversion. :)

I have also discovered where Hatshepsut is. Maybe we could show her the true ways, too, though she is a little far off.

Also, in the interests of not being the last Civ in knowledge, we have undertaken the project of building an Oracle, which will give us a free tech. :) This will be completed in 5 turns.

[Grandpa Troll]

awesome

im researching horseback riding -13 turns:eek:

[vovan]

I am after iron working.

It looks like Alexander doesn't want to sign open borders... (-1 Close borders spark tension). However, since he is not close to you, Mr. Troll, could you see if he would like to sign open borders with you? That way, I can still get my missionarey into his lands. :evilgrin:

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
I am after iron working.

It looks like Alexander doesn't want to sign open borders... (-1 Close borders spark tension). However, since he is not close to you, Mr. Troll, could you see if he would like to sign open borders with you? That way, I can still get my missionarey into his lands. :evilgrin:

indeed next turn we shall do this:evilgrin:

[vovan]

Hmh, looks like Judaism has spread on its own from Frederick to Alexander, so Alex has just switched. We shall try to get to Hatshepsut before it's too late, but if that fails then we shall spam Alexander with missionaries in hopes that he will convert to the true religion if more of his cities belong to it. :evilgrin:

In other news, we have precisely zero luxury goods on our land that we can use and as a consequence, Washington's people are unhappy. I suppose we need calendar so that we could get our hands on that incense.

[Grandpa Troll]

back:b:

[vovan]

Looks like Hatshepsut converted to Judaism as well. :crook: And how about those open borders with Alexander? Did he decline? :)

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Looks like Hatshepsut converted to Judaism as well. :crook: And how about those open borders with Alexander? Did he decline? :)

oh

you mean did he snub his nose at us and our Heathen religion

[vovan]

Well, I was wondering if you tried signing the open borders with him. :) He doesn't like me because I am too close, but that wouldn't be the case for you. Now that he's adopted a new religion, however, it looks like neither of us would be able to make him open up borders, though, so I'm going to see if I can do anything about Hatshepsut. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Well, I was wondering if you tried signing the open borders with him. :) He doesn't like me because I am too close, but that wouldn't be the case for you. Now that he's adopted a new religion, however, it looks like neither of us would be able to make him open up borders, though, so I'm going to see if I can do anything about Hatshepsut. :)

he wouldnt have anything to do with me

hmmm:hmmm:

back at ya

[vovan]

Oh well. Too bad for him. :evilgrin:

With the help of the Oracle, we have discovered Metal Casting. :b:

[Grandpa Troll]

back at ya

said I entered the classical age:b:

[vovan]

Indeed, that we have done. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

ill probably build two more cities
then some infrastructure

[vovan]

I think I'll stick around with three cities until we get to the new world, at which point I'll be free enough of support costs to go crazy with colonies. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
I think I'll stick around with three cities until we get to the new world, at which point I'll be free enough of support costs to go crazy with colonies. :)

good

back with 5 turns to go to horseback riding

we are back in second place:b:

[vovan]

Iron working in 2 turns.

Missionary headed for Egyptian capital. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

GO FOR IT:b:

[vovan]

Finally, the angry people of washington are satisfied by the hindu shrine. :relief:

Next turn, we shall gain a line of sight in the Egyptian capital. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

congrats

[vovan]

Hinduism spread to Thebes. Iron working discovered. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

sweet

working on infrastructure

[vovan]

One step closer to Optics. :evilgrin:

Now researching Compass.

[Grandpa Troll]

Back at ya

been out of town

glad I am home:D :zzz: :zzz:

[vovan]

We have been informed that wonder effects are shared between allies. :eek: As a result, we resumed production on the Stonehenge, which will be finished in two turns. We do need calendar ASAP to connect that luxury resource, as both Washington and New York have hit their 'happy limit', but it is clear we won't get it for at least ten turns, so in that time, all of your new cities will have the time to expand the border at least once. :b: That will bosst our score substantially and give your cities more land to work with. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

great!

[vovan]

Stonehenge finished. Enjoy your free culture. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Stonehenge finished. Enjoy your free culture. :cute:

this is a good thing:b: :cool:

[vovan]

Romans are about to found a new city by the copper and cows right where your soldiers are fortified by my borders. :crook:

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Romans are about to found a new city by the copper and cows right where your soldiers are fortified by my borders. :crook:

here they are:mad:

[vovan]

And there's the new city. It's got a weird location though, why didn't they put it on the coast? :hmmm: If we are ever at war and take that city, I'm afraid it'd have to be razed. :evilgrin: In other news, we see Hatshepsut is sending out a settler party into the northern icelands, too.

[Grandpa Troll]

Ill have a settler on the east of him starting a city soon

:D

[vovan]

:)

[Grandpa Troll]

2 more turns until he arrives

[Grandpa Troll]

he will be here next turn
then I can settle him:evilgrin:

[Grandpa Troll]

founded my city

now
no more settlers

only buildup:b:

[vovan]

:evilgrin:

[Grandpa Troll]

yeah

im considering some military actions


maybe after a bit:eek:

[vovan]

Mr. Troll, American people would be forever in your debt if you could hook up those fur resources to the trade network and trade one of them to us. :unworthy:

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Mr. Troll, American people would be forever in your debt if you could hook up those fur resources to the trade network and trade one of them to us. :unworthy:

ill get working on it as we speak

[vovan]

We are building up our city defenses some, in case military action does break out. :cute: (That, and there were two german axemen heading for Washington, which was only defended by one warrior. :eek: The German troops are stationed in Washington right now... :relief: )

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
We are building up our city defenses some, in case military action does break out. :cute: (That, and there were two german axemen heading for Washington, which was only defended by one warrior. :eek: The German troops are stationed in Washington right now... :relief: )

let me know if we need to switch to a 1-2 punch

:naughty:

[vovan]

Back to you. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

working on the roads to connect our cities

[vovan]

Discovered compass, and spread hindiusm to the new Roman city (which seems now nicely squeezed between our borders :b: ) and another Egyptian city. Now, egyptians' dominant religion is Hinduism, they might switch the official religion. :cool::b:

[Grandpa Troll]

1 more for code of laws

[Addled Platypus]

any bugs with this style of play

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Platypus Rex
any bugs with this style of play

Not sure what you mean?

its just a PBEM setup my friend

[vovan]

Starting research on the alphabet, so we can get some techs from other civs.

[vovan]

Originally posted by Platypus Rex
any bugs with this style of play

Haven't encountered any yet, except for Grandpa doesn't see my player name show up correctly. Everything else seems to be working fine so far...

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Starting research on the alphabet, so we can get some techs from other civs.

same here

:)
3 turns


Gramps

[vovan]

Apparently Hatty and Fred already have Alphabet. Traded Horseback riding to them for Mathematics, and ooh, what's this? We are first in score. :D

Also, now that Washington borders stretch wide across the waters to the south, we notice a pleasant island with clams near it. We think we shall send our settler there and claim it. :cute: (I think we can easily afford another city: running 100% research with surplus, all thanks to Hinduism income and trade routes with Egypt.)

[Grandpa Troll]

2nd place by 1 point now:mad: :doitnow!:

[Addled Platypus]

you two are trying co-op pbem, right?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Platypus Rex
you two are trying co-op pbem, right?

yes sir

[Addled Platypus]

any signs of AI abuse, anything weird

[Grandpa Troll]

none here

[vovan]

Galley out exploring the waters to the south. Settler under way in Washington. Tweaked some city production values to shave one turn off ETA for alphabet. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

We hold a 15 point lead over second and a 25 point lead over third

Thanks to our great leadership:unworthy:

[vovan]

Grandpa Troll, I think the save somehow got corrupted - game crashes to desktop when trying to load it... Could you replay your turn and resend me a fresh save?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Grandpa Troll, I think the save somehow got corrupted - game crashes to desktop when trying to load it... Could you replay your turn and resend me a fresh save?

done

let me know so we can trouble shoot:confused:

[vovan]

Nope. Still no cigar... I wonder also why my name suddenly got changed to "GrandpaTroll", and if that has anything to do with it... Maybe the corruption happened on my previous turn?

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Nope. Still no cigar... I wonder also why my name suddenly got changed to "GrandpaTroll", and if that has anything to do with it... Maybe the corruption happened on my previous turn?

this has happened in three games I know of

:mad:

Ill do some checking and see if any other games come up that way

hang in there

Gramps

[Grandpa Troll]

resent:b:

[vovan]

Great. :D:b:

Alphabet researched. Now starting on construction. It was a tough choice between that and Calendar though...

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Great. :D:b:

Alphabet researched. Now starting on construction. It was a tough choice between that and Calendar though...

im headed for machinery

[vovan]

Great. :)

Hattie tried to get Compass from us for Calendar. Of course, we refused. Fred tried to get Metal Casting from us for Calendar. Same deal. :)

Now, we have a problem. :) Looks like the whole "First player can't trade with human players" bug caught up with us... :crook: Your trade offer came up blank, and I couldn't select anything on your side of the bargain table... So I guess we'll have to take care of resources on our own. :eek:

[Grandpa Troll]

well

means we have to do trading with ai then since we cant?

grrrrr

[vovan]

It would appear that way, yes. :crook:

[Grandpa Troll]

need to slow antiums borders down
i do know one way:rolleyes:

[vovan]

:evilgrin:

[Grandpa Troll]

Im wondering, if a half dozen attackers would suffice?

:hmmm:

[vovan]

Not if they are Quechuas. :lol:

We are about to get construction, which will give us the much-needed catapults. :b: Also, if we were to attack, we'd need a bit of time to prepare. At the moment, you only have Quechuas, so Romans would roll over you with their Praetorians in no time flat. :cute: Notice this new city in the south has four archers defending it. I would imagine core cities (like the one next to the iron) would be even more substantially protected. Greeks are even better protected still. At the moment, I don't think we can take on anybody. The only way we could wage war, I would imagine, is if we were to get Fred and Hattie on our side, and that can only happen, I think if she finally decides to switch to Hinduism (which I am going to help out by converting her final city to Hindu).

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Not if they are Quechuas. :lol:

We are about to get construction, which will give us the much-needed catapults. :b: Also, if we were to attack, we'd need a bit of time to prepare. At the moment, you only have Quechuas, so Romans would roll over you with their Praetorians in no time flat. :cute: Notice this new city in the south has four archers defending it. I would imagine core cities (like the one next to the iron) would be even more substantially protected. Greeks are even better protected still. At the moment, I don't think we can take on anybody. The only way we could wage war, I would imagine, is if we were to get Fred and Hattie on our side, and that can only happen, I think if she finally decides to switch to Hinduism (which I am going to help out by converting her final city to Hindu).
ok

understood:(

[vovan]

Alright, construction researched, will be helping you out with Machinery after that. :b:

Also, founded Philadelphia on the island below near some clams. There's some major food and commerce there, but barely any production, so I figure that will be one of our research centers down the read. :cute:

Also another thing... Do you have copper or iron? If not, we are really in a pickle here, as far as war is concerned...

[Grandpa Troll]

hmm..not sure..ill check

[vovan]

1 AD to you. :)

I'm suspicious of Alex and his swordsmen in his border city. :crook:

Any way, we are just two techs away from being able to traverse the ocean. I figure maybe we should start building up military and settlers to colonize the new world. :b:

In the mean time, our galley is scouting out some shallow waters around our own continent.

[Grandpa Troll]

deer and furs only

poorer people you shalt not fine

[vovan]

Yeah... I think we should concentrate on grabbing some choice locations in the new world and that should hopefully provide us with more resources. Greeks, for example, have their closest city protected by an archer, two axemen, and two swordsmen. Without copper or iron units, we stand no chance against these defenses.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Yeah... I think we should concentrate on grabbing some choice locations in the new world and that should hopefully provide us with more resources. Greeks, for example, have their closest city protected by an archer, two axemen, and two swordsmen. Without copper or iron units, we stand no chance against these defenses.

good call

Im outta here

sleepy time

thanks for helpful turns my friend

Peace

[vovan]

It would appear like there is som nice island property around here, too. :)

Good progress today. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

working hard to catch up:eek:

[vovan]

Please direct your attention to the position of our galley (East of Philadelphia). Note that it is just by a nice juicy city location that contains a fish and two clam resources. I was going to settle that location, but you don't have either resource (and I already have both), so if you would like, I can leave that island for you to colonize to get some health. Else, I will grab it myself and trade resources to the AIs. (Pity I can't send them your way...)

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Please direct your attention to the position of our galley (East of Philadelphia). Note that it is just by a nice juicy city location that contains a fish and two clam resources. I was going to settle that location, but you don't have either resource (and I already have both), so if you would like, I can leave that island for you to colonize to get some health. Else, I will grab it myself and trade resources to the AIs. (Pity I can't send them your way...)

very nice

ill start making plans

gracias

[vovan]

Back to you.

[Grandpa Troll]

galley being built

settler as well

I know its hard to believe, old Gramps is no longer cellar dwellar and actually may soon be third from bottom

ahhh will miracles never cease;)

[vovan]

:b: Off to you, Mr Troll, as we start to research optics. :unworthy:

[Grandpa Troll]

2 axeman looking..looking..outside my city..:hmmm:

[vovan]

Yeah, I was disturbed by those as well, but then they went away. :relief:

[Grandpa Troll]

and forward we go

[vovan]

Indeed. We are preparing for colonization by building units and settlers. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

great plan

[vovan]

On to you. :):b:

[Grandpa Troll]

2nd Galley up in the build quere ill have to use as an explorer

Gramps

[vovan]

Ummm... What are you going to do with that, Alex? :hmmm:

[vovan]

I think he might attack... He demanded Compass a turn or two ago, and of course, I refused... Could that have made him angry? Could we be facing war sooner than we had expected? :hmmm:

[Grandpa Troll]

quick
show them you worship PINK ELEPHANTS!!

[vovan]

It would appear like we have optics. Let us now lunge across the ocean in search of the riches of the new world. :unworthy:

[Grandpa Troll]

indeed:b:

[vovan]

Work has started on a caravel to transport Americans across vast expanses of water. :b:

[Grandpa Troll]

nice

me

i have to stay in shallow end for now;)

[vovan]

The ship is complete! We are ready to set sail. :evilgrin:

[Grandpa Troll]

nice work:b:

[vovan]

Sending a caravel with an explorer off to find new lands. :unworthy:

[Grandpa Troll]

thanks for manhattan island:b:

[vovan]

3 tiles per turn is not very fast for the exploring boat.... Maybe we could circumnavigate the globe and get an extra movement point. :evilgrin:

[Grandpa Troll]

my first caravel 2 turns:eek:

[vovan]

:b:

[Grandpa Troll]

and Tacticus says i am Grandpa Troll the pathetic civ'

:(

now I know how Charlie Brown feels:D

[vovan]

And off we go. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

think we now have a war

not sure but it said julius and alexander at war with us i believe

[vovan]

:eek: Uh oh...

[vovan]

*gulp*

[vovan]

Hehee. Don't mess with us. :evilgrin:

[vovan]

We've had this here great engineer lined up for a while, hoping to use him for a golden age later on. However, now seems like a great time to build the Chichen Itza (+25% defense to all cities). :cute: Thanks to Imhotep, we gain extra defense. :unworthy:

[vovan]

And off to you, sir. You might want to build up some defenses. :b: Though I will try to help you out with units if I can. :)

[Grandpa Troll]

yes

i shall have to switch:scared:

[vovan]

Meh. Both New York and Boston could fall this turn. That would be a lousy turn of events indeed. :crook:

[Grandpa Troll]

switching to units to thwart attacks:scared:

[vovan]

Freddy comes with an offer we can't resist. :( He wants us to convert to their religion. I'm afraid if we don't we can be attacked by the other two nations as well, and then we are as good as toast. However, if we do, there is a chance they might fight on our side. Tough decision... I'm still thinking. :)

[vovan]

After much consideration, we refuse. We can't afford a trun of lost unit production at this point.

Much to our suriprise, Boston is still up and running. The archer has defeated their swordsman, taking 66% losses, and the horseman has defeated the war elephant. :eek: However, you can see Alex has brough some reinforcements with him. :( There is no way Boston can survive another turn. Things look better in New York, however. We will definitely get to keep that one. :b:

[vovan]

Turn complete. If only Alex was conservative and didn't attack Boston this turn, reinforcements would arrive next turn. :( BTW, you will notice we are researching Monarchy, and have Feudalism qued up after that. I would suggest that it might be a very good idea to switch to that research ASAP for you as well. Longbowmen would really save our necks, especially for you, as you can't build any other worthwhile units without iron, copper, or horses.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by vovan
Turn complete. If only Alex was conservative and didn't attack Boston this turn, reinforcements would arrive next turn. :( BTW, you will notice we are researching Monarchy, and have Feudalism qued up after that. I would suggest that it might be a very good idea to switch to that research ASAP for you as well. Longbowmen would really save our necks, especially for you, as you can't build any other worthwhile units without iron, copper, or horses.

i will next turn

[vovan]

Boston falls. We will hopefully be keeping the rest of our cities, however.

[vovan]

:hmmm:

That will be easy pickings for us. :cute: We are starting to build a bunch of spearmen to counter Alex's Elephants, for we have definitely beat back Caesar's first wave of attack (and we have plenty of axemen to counter his Praetorians), whereas Alex is still on a roll.

[vovan]

Our ships discover an island! (A tiny one, though.) Maybe the new continent is somewhere close? :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

yes

Gilligans Island..watch the rocks..dont want you shippwrecked:D

[Grandpa Troll]

back

I also hope I can holdout:eek:

[vovan]

We simply can't pass up this opportunity to gain free experience and pick up a free worker. :cute:

[vovan]

Tsk, tsk, Alex, you really should protect your elephants better. Only two archers? And I can attack from my own territory... Something tells me I will soon get a fair trade for Boston. :cute:

[Grandpa Troll]

very nice:b:

[vovan]

Fortune favors the bold. We decide to start picking on Cumae's defenses so by the time the first wave of Greeks is stopped, we might send over some troops to take the city.

[vovan]

We set foot in the resource-rich new world.

[vovan]

Turn to you. Please don't forget to switch research to Feudalism. Every turn is of the essence right now.

[Grandpa Troll]

darned

ok
writing it down now

NEXT TURN!

killed 3 axeman and a spearman this turn in defense:b:

[vovan]

Back to you. :) I'm going to see if I can destroy the mine on their only iron resource. :b:

[Grandpa Troll]

switched to feudalism

elephants coming fer ya

new city built on island to my south:b:

[vovan]

And I'm coming for them. :evilgrin: The war isn't going nearly as bad as I was afraid it would. :b:

[Grandpa Troll]

go for it

[vovan]

Back to you.

[Grandpa Troll]

hope my archers are enuff:scared:

in theory they be good :cute:

[vovan]

It looks like they are now willing to negotiate peace. Of course, I don't want peace just yet. I need to first get my hands on that Greek city with it's ivory resource. :evilgrin: