Newbie Seeks PBeM Conquests

[snakegurl]

Sometimes I win at monarch level.

Any games out there ?

[Sixpack]

I'm probably the same level and looking for a game too.

[snakegurl]

Maybe if some others wandered by, we could start a game of our own. Which civ interests you ?.... I fancy those Panzers if I last long enough.
Tina

[self biased]

i'll step in, too. i'm not the greatest, though. only playing my first few pbems now.

[Sixpack]

come on let`s play

[Yamamoto]

i could be in too... what kind of game? i am new to pbem

[self biased]

seeing as this is snakegurl's show, she's got to decide how many players, what difficulty settings and whatnot. i suggest everyone find the ettiquette guide and read it.

[snakegurl]

The etiquette guide should be found as the subject :
"The PBEM Info Thread" in this forum. Sorry I tried to copy the link but couldnt.

We seem to have five people interested, so I reckon that's enough unless anyone else signs on in the meantime, in which case they would be welcome.
If anyone is up for it then maybe you should say so and also mention the civ you would prefer.
I'd prefer the Germans.
In the meantime i'll mug up on what needs to be done to get this moving.
I suggest that each person has a day to get their move done, I can only get my turns done in the evening and I live in the UK. I guess anyone else who is working is similarly constrained.
If anyone has any experience/suggestions about the play mechanics then please say so.

[Sixpack]

My brother has been playing PBEM's for a while. Normally the turn order is organised by time zones. For us that would be:

snakegurl, GMT, Germans
Yamamoto, GMT,
selfbiased, GMT-5 (allthough Poland should be GMT+2)
sixpack, GMT+1, Hittites

4 people should allow for a good paced game. Maybe 1 more for the extra fun.
Small map, temperate, 5 billion years, Pangea should
work.

[snakegurl]

Sounds good to me, Sixpack.

If we have difficulty level =, say, Monarch then anyone interested please confirm your civ and pm me your email address then we can get started.

I take it that we don't include AI civs unless anyone posts a good reason to the contrary.

[Soltz]

With more 'real' people in the game, there's potential for stalls, etc. when RL intrudes.

If you need a substitute later for somebody away on holidays, etc., I'd be available to fill in.

[snakegurl]

Soltz, you can count yourself in from the start if you want. No else has sent their email to me by way of signing on yet ! Which civ do you want ?

[Sixpack]

monarch, the hittites. `s good for my

[snakegurl]

so far :
Small map, temperate, 5 billion years, Pangea, Monarch

Sixpack, Hittites
Snakegurl, Germans

Who else is going for it ?

[Modo44]

Me. :eager:

I'd like the Egyptians, please.

[snakegurl]

so far :
Small map, temperate, 5 billion years, Pangea, Monarch

Sixpack, Hittites
Snakegurl, Germans
Modo44, Egyptians

Any more takers.... ?

[self biased]

i'll go with japan.

[snakegurl]

so far :
Small map, temperate, 5 billion years, Pangea, Monarch

Sixpack, Hittites
Snakegurl, Germans
Modo44, Egyptians
Self biased, Japan

If there are no more takers in the next 24 hours then I suggest we go for the game.
Folks, I'll need your email addresses which I intend to email out with mine to all players in this game without posting on this thread. Can you pm them to me, please.

[DanielXY]

If acc. prod. is on, I join with the Sumerians :)
If not, Im out, since this will be to slow than (not enough to do every turn ;) ).
Timezone: GMT +1
eMail: DanielXY at gmx dot net

[snakegurl]

OK Folks

Is Accel Prod on ? I think DanielXY has a point and I've seen this on other game threads, so I'd vote yes on that one. Please can I have a show of hands and comments on it ?

Thanks Modo, BTW, who has sent his email address,... still waiting for the others...

[Modo44]

I don't know a thing about accelerated production - have never played with it. My concern here is, I don't know how much this option changes the game. I'm new to PBEM, so learning to deal with human players and with accelerated production in the same game might be too much. Or is it just a simple speed-up, not changing general strategies? :confused:

[DanielXY]

Well all it does is: You got half the shild cost for everything (improvments and units.. with 5 shilds net prod. you can produce a spearman in 2 turns for example) + your citys will grow at a doubled rate. (if you got the standard 2 food surplus a size 1 city will grow in 5 turns instead of 10).

So I dont think it changes strategy too much, just speeding up everything :)

[Modo44]

Ok, then I'm ok with it, I guess.

[self biased]

whatever's cool.

self dot biased at gmail dot com

[Beta]

If you are still taking players - Babylonians.:eager:

[Beta]

And I suspect Grandpa Troll would be up for a game as well.

[snakegurl]

so far :
Small map, temperate, 5 billion years, Pangea, Monarch
Accel prodn

Sixpack, Hittites
Snakegurl, Germans
Modo, Egyptians
Self biased, Japan
DanielXY, Sumerians
Beta, Babylonians

If Granpa Troll wants a game then please get with it.
Anyone who hasn't forwarded their email address yet, please do so now. I expect to get the game started this evening (6 hours time from now)

When I do so I'll post the start on this thread. I assume that we won't be including combat reports..... comments please if you disagree.

[self biased]

sounds good, although make sure everyone has access to everyone else's email addy. i'm going to assume no contact out of game until contact in game?

[Modo44]

The basic PBEM ethiquette is described in the Info thread in this forum ( here: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=112863 ). I think we can stick to those guidelines, except for the battle reports? What do you think, snakegurl?

[Beta]

Six is a good number for pbem. Just do NOT make it a large map. And no AI's. That heavily favours those that start near the AI.

Small map still works for six. Or standard. Personally - I would vote for small, but I am easy either way.

And I concur - no battle reports.

[snakegurl]

I agree Folks, sounds good, NO AI civs, no battle reports, etiquette as per suggestions. I'll email everyone's address to all players. No other contact than for game mechanics until we meet in game.

Only one problem, sorry if I missed it, but I need email addresses for both Sixpack and Beta... come on folks, we're waiting to play

[Sixpack]

its ok now?
snakegurl

[snakegurl]

Gottit, thanks Sixpack.

Beta, we're still waiting on you....... email. please ?

If you get back within 1/2 hour - I know its a longshot - but we could get started tonite !

[snakegurl]

Game has started :)

I've emailed all email addresses to everyone

Turn has been sent to Beta
4000 BC

[snakegurl]

Sorry about the multiple posts.

Any other Newbie on V1.0 you'll need to get into the Apolyton.com civ3 page and click on Civ3 patches.
Download and install the v1.22 appropriate to your version of Civ3 - by which I mean that the US version is incompatible with European versions.
Otherwise you'll not be able to load the game.

I had the old version, but I've restarted and emailled to Beta, again
4000 BC

Sorry about the delay

[Beta]

n/p snake. :) This save loaded as it should.

4000bc on to Modo44.

Thanks for setting the game up snakegurl.

[Beta]

Modo - I am getting a delivery failure message on your e-mail. Can you please pm it to me - or better yet - e-mail me at:

brucehynes57 tata rogers todtod com

Many thanks.

[Modo44]

E-mail resent. You probably had the right address. This account sometimes hits its (fairly small) limit in the evenigs, before all the spam is deleted by the server. I just emptied it manually.

[edit]
I checked the account via WWW and it turns out they have a new option that increases the limit. Unfortunately I didn't know until now, having told Mozilla that messages from my server's administration were spam. :lol: :idiot:

No more limit warnings should occur.

[Beta]

No, the issue was a slight error in your e-mail address. I had 'net' as opposed to 'onet'.

Save resent - and my address book updated. Game on. Good civin' all.

:b:

[Modo44]

4000BC to self biased.

[self biased]

turn sent to danielxy

[DanielXY]

-> Sixpack

[Sixpack]

to snakegurl

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3950 BC

[Beta]

To Modo.

[Modo44]

To self biased.

[Sixpack]

Anyone elese intereseted in a restart? My start wasn't too great and as we're going to be stuck to this games for months...

[snakegurl]

I dont mind, but I feel there should be a unanimous vote in favour for me to act on it.
I prefer to continue even though my first turns weren't perfect either.
What do the rest of you folks think ?

[Modo44]

I like my land, but I don't mind restarting if others wish to do so.

[Beta]

I'm easy either way, as well. sixpack has a point, but then the problem is with the next game, someone else may get a bad start. This is why a number of pbem's use one of two methods:

1. a voting system for determining the 'overall' 'best' start - using some sort of rating system on the starts. (see Flandrien's random thread for an example. There have been others.)

2. A veto sytem where anyone can call for a restart in the first two turns.

In this case, for six pack, we would be adopting the second approach, and then it would only be fair if others had the same veto capability for subsequent starts. The problem here is that it may take us a while to get going. And we need to consider of you can only use your veto once.

But if folks want to adopt that approach, it is fine by me.

[Sixpack]

Thanks for the understanding, I`d like to call the veto Beta proposed (option 2)

[Beta]

snakegurl's game and her call.

I am easy either way.

As we did not agree to this prior to the start of the game, you may have to prepared to stick it out with the start you do have, sixpack. See it as a 'challenge', not a 'problem', as all those motivational books say.:D

[snakegurl]

Seems easiest to stick with Beta's 2nd option.

Sixpack has vetoed our start, so I'll generate another start tonite.
Note folks, that we all have a veto to be used once only by each person on the first 2 turns.

If anyone else wants to exercise their veto I suggest they post it immediately on this thread and not send on the email. That'll save some time and disappointment.

[Modo44]

I'm going away in an hour, so you might want to make me last in the turn order. This way all of you guys could take a look at your starting locations before I return. I'll be back tomorrow afternoon.

[self biased]

my start was less than stellar, i've got more jungle around me than i like, but... i can tough it out... it might end up for the better. i won't be opposed to a restart, though.

turn sent to danielxy

[DanielXY]

sent on to sixpack...
but since we restart anyway... rather pointless eMail ;)

[snakegurl]

Beta,
Your turn 1 .... again,,,
4000BC

[Beta]

Thanks snake. I can live with my start. Save to Modo44.

[Modo44]

Turn played and on it's way to self biased. My location looks playable.

[self biased]

location is fine. onward.

[snakegurl]

On to Beta,
3950 BC

Hey folks, how about we all mention here when we've passed the turn on ? That way everyone else knows how its progressing and we'll pick up quicker where it might get stalled for wottever reason and figure out a better prediction of when to logon .

[Sixpack]

to snakegurl

[Beta]

snake - agreed. On to Modo44.

[Modo44]

3950 BC to self biased.

[self biased]

Originally posted by snakegurl
On to Beta,
3950 BC

Hey folks, how about we all mention here when we've passed the turn on ? That way everyone else knows how its progressing and we'll pick up quicker where it might get stalled for wottever reason and figure out a better prediction of when to logon .

meant to say something earlier... that's nominally standard procedure.

sent to dannyboy.

[Sixpack]

to snakegurl

[Modo44]

3900 BC received from Beta and is on it's way to self biased.

[self biased]

the pipes are callin'

[DanielXY]

sendet on 6h ago

[Sixpack]

to snakegurl

[snakegurl]

onwards to Beta
3850BC

[Beta]

on to Modo

[Modo44]

:bounce: to self biased.

[self biased]

i'm going on vacation this week, and have five games i need covered, preferably by someone i'm not playing against.

Eliminatus Illuminatus (http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123246)
Snakegurl's PBEM (http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123464)
mercy, severity (http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100124)
One Armed Bandits (http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122066)
War, what war? (http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124068)

[Beta]

3800bc to Modo.

[Beta]

Originally posted by self biased
i'm going on vacation this week, and have five games i need covered, preferably by someone i'm not playing against.

Eliminatus Illuminatus (http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123246)
Snakegurl's PBEM (http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123464)
mercy, severity (http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100124)
One Armed Bandits (http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122066)
War, what war? (http://www.apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=124068)

Most players are OK with a week's absense. The absences and temps thread (topped) is the best pace for this if you have not already done so.

[Modo44]

3800BC to self biased.

[self biased]

turn sent. this will be my last turn until november third, unless a replacement is found.

[DanielXY]

-> next

[Sixpack]

next

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3750BC

[Beta]

To Modo

[Modo44]

No replacement available, so 3750BC went to self biased. We're in for a break, I guess.

[Beta]

It's OK. It will be a short one. :)

[self biased]

i'm baaaaaack.

[self biased]

sent

[DanielXY]

Received, but since I lost my PBEM Data a couple days ago, I dunno who to send to :D

If someone can enlighten me plz... DanielXY at gmx dot net

[Beta]

According to this thread - you send it to sixpack.

sixpack - can you please e-mail DanielXY your e-mail.

The other alternative Daniel, is to post the save here to get the game going again.

[Modo44]

*bump*

Lord Sixpack, we need your help here.

Or does anyone else have the e-mail of Sixpack?

[Sixpack]

sorry what is the matter. i have sent 3750 to snakegurl the 28-10
i haven`t receve 3750 from daniel

[Sixpack]

sent 3750 a nother time to snakegurl

[Modo44]

The problem is that Daniel lost the PBEM data and doesn't have your address now. Please send it to him and we will be rolling again. His address is in his last post in this thread. :)

It's:
DanielXY at gmx dot net

[Sixpack]

sorry i understood

[DanielXY]

send :)

[snakegurl]

On to Beta,
3700BC

[Beta]

Hurray! It lives. :)

Save to Modo.

[Beta]

Save sent again to modo. Appears he is having ISP issues.

[Modo44]

I still didn't get it. :(

Apparently I can send e-mails without problems, but the server keeps eating incoming messages on a random basis. Well, not quite random - it's the ones from far away and with attachments that get eaten most of the time. :wall:

Please try again. Or, if nothing helps, post the save here.

[Beta]

Here it is:

[self biased]

phew. i thought it was i that had dropped the ball. modo, if you need a gmail account, let me know. i can hook you up.

[Modo44]

I'm giving it a last try until next week, so please keep sending e-mails. If the server keeps eating them, I'll get a new account somewhere else.

Save with self biased.

[self biased]

sent.

[DanielXY]

Sadly I have to announce that I cant Do any more Turns in my PBEMs from next Monday on. Im moving... I will not be able to get online on a regular basis for at least 1month, probably more.

Thus I step down from the holy thron, and give my mighty Empirers in the hands of an successor....

I made a post in the Abesence and Temps thread to find one
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3456002&t=8026#post3456002

[Grandpa Troll]

I am available since Daniel posted he is dropping..

I play and play often

Beta knows as I am involved in several with him

Let me know

email addy is BCRONKITE-the necessary sign-then ec-dot-rr-dot-com

Gramps

[snakegurl]

Sounds good to me :o)

I'm sure everyone is with me welcoming you on board !

Turn sent to Beta
3650 BC

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by snakegurl
Sounds good to me :o)

I'm sure everyone is with me welcoming you on board !

Turn sent to Beta
3650 BC

my email is BCRONKITE-needed sign-ec-dot-rr-dot-com

please email me snakegurl..as I reckon I send turn to you

Gramps

[Beta]

Yee Haw! Welcome GT!

Let's get this game going. :)

3650bc Save to Modo.

[Modo44]

Save with self biased.

[self biased]

sent.

[Modo44]

My previous mail server had some issues (some e-mails mysteriously disappearing), so please don't use it anymore. I have a new account. From now on, please send e-mails to:

a TOD sawicki TOD private TA wp TOD pl

[snakegurl]

Whats happened to the turn ?

Sixpack are you still waiting ?

[Grandpa Troll]

Look I cant seem to have found where I have a turn in this game yet..


It looks as though I send my turn to Beta as I took Daniel's place...I just wanna make sure the hold up is not I..:o

I am usually very good about playing all turns the day I get them..as long as it is before I crawl beneath me stump and snooze:zzz: :zzz:

[Sixpack]

The last time i have the game whas 24-11
yes i`m still waiting.
Welcome GT!

[self biased]

i'll resend to modo, and we'll go from there.

[Modo44]

In this game, I'm the one sending to you, self biased. :)

You should send it to Grandpa Troll, if I'm not mistaken.

[self biased]

aha! so it is me that is holding things up. my apologies. sending to mister troll now.

[Grandpa Troll]

and onto sixpack 3650 b c

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3600 BC

[Beta]

It's ALIVE!!!!!:eek:

Save to Modo

[Modo44]

Apparently it is. :b:

3600 BC with self biased.

[Grandpa Troll]

3600 b c to Sixpack

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3550 BC

[Beta]

to modo

[Modo44]

Save with self biased.

[self biased]

sent

[Grandpa Troll]

sent to sixpack..that being 3550 b c ;)

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3500BC

[Beta]

to modo

[Modo44]

3500 BC with self biased.

[self biased]

sent

[Grandpa Troll]

I got 3600 b c as attachment

please send more current..um..like da correct one:D

[self biased]

re sent. i know something wasn't quite right with one of the emails.

[Grandpa Troll]

3500 bc to sixpack and thanks for the corrected turn my friend:D

[snakegurl]

to Beta
3450BC

[Beta]

save to modo.

[Modo44]

Oh, I've got the lonely blues... http://www.click-smilies.de/sammlung0304/musik/music-smiley-006.gif

Back to self biased.

[self biased]

trolled.

[Grandpa Troll]

3450 b c to sixpack sorry for delay..work caught up with me and kicked me front teeth out and well..just got my breath back

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3400BC

[Beta]

Sing it, Modo. I hear your pain.

Save to you.

[Modo44]

And now it went to self biased.

Somebody please find me. :scared:

[self biased]

sent

[Grandpa Troll]

3400 bc to sixpack

sorry for delay new pc and all

up and running now

Gramps

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3350BC

Merry Christmas , Hic, Everybody !!! :o))

[Beta]

snakegurl - thanks - got it.

Cheers to you too. :D

Save to Modo.

[Grandpa Troll]

keep 'em rolling folks

:D

[Modo44]

Save with self biased.

[self biased]

sent to GP troll.

[Grandpa Troll]

Thanks:b:

3350 B C to Sixpack

[Beta]

Rec'd from snake and on to Modo.

[Modo44]

Biased.

[self biased]

to gp troll

[Grandpa Troll]

3300 B C to Sixpack

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3250BC

Happy New Year Folks :o)

[Beta]

And to you to snakegurl. :)

Save to Modo.

[Modo44]

Biased.

[self biased]

sent.

[Grandpa Troll]

3250 B C to sixpack

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3250BC

[snakegurl]

Sorry
To Beta
3200BC

[Beta]

snake - n/p. :)

3200 to modo

[Modo44]

Biased.

[self biased]

sent

[Grandpa Troll]

3200 b c to sixpack

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3150BC

[Beta]

off to Modo man.

[Modo44]

To self biased.

[Grandpa Troll]

good..i am next:D

[snakegurl]

Keen-ness overfloweth..... :)

[self biased]

sent

[Grandpa Troll]

3150 b c to sixpack

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3100BC

[Beta]

Thanks snake. And on to Modo.

[Modo44]

3100 BC to self biased.

[Grandpa Troll]

3100 b c to Sixpack

Gramps

[self biased]

plus one.

[snakegurl]

To Beta
3050 BC

[Beta]

To Modo, with my apologies for the delay folks. It was a busy week. :(

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Beta
To Modo, with my apologies for the delay folks. It was a busy week. :(

you need no forgivesness Beta..

:hmmm:



Just play yer turns :D

[Modo44]

He need no forgiveness, he just need a BUMP every now and then. ;)

3050 BC to self biased.

[self biased]

sent to the troll.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by Modo44
He need no forgiveness, he just need a BUMP every now and then. ;)

3050 BC to self biased.

ok maybe this will help?

[Grandpa Troll]

3050 to sixpack

[snakegurl]

Wot a luvvly bitey cwat !

To Beta
3000BC

[Beta]

:lol:

To Modo.

[Modo44]

Originally posted by snakegurl
Wot a luvvly bitey cwat !
Say what? :dizzy:

3000 BC to self biased.

[self biased]

sent.

[snakegurl]

I woz talking about the photo of the cat that GP Troll posted.... you'll find it on p6 .... I didn't realise so many posts have happened since !

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by snakegurl
I woz talking about the photo of the cat that GP Troll posted.... you'll find it on p6 .... I didn't realise so many posts have happened since !

here I'll help out:D

[Grandpa Troll]

3000 to sixpack:D :lol:

[Beta]

rec'd from snake and on to Modo

[Modo44]

Nice kittens.

biased

[self biased]

kitties.

[Grandpa Troll]

onto sixpack with 2950 b c forgive me if I held game up darned workload:doitnow!:

[snakegurl]

To Beta
2900BC

....and GP Troll those Kitties are terribly cutesome.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by snakegurl
To Beta
2900BC

....and GP Troll those Kitties are terribly cutesome.

yeah..funny stuff:lol:

[Beta]

:)

To Modo.

[Modo44]

biased

[snakegurl]

Aaaah wot a beautiful kitty :)

[self biased]

sent

[Grandpa Troll]

2900 b c to sixpack

[snakegurl]

To Beta
2850BC

[Beta]

and to Modo.

[Modo44]

biased

Some more. :)

[self biased]

trolled.

[Grandpa Troll]

to sixpack with 2850 b c

[snakegurl]

To Beta
2800BC

Modo, wot an adorable little Kitty, lovely photo :)

[Beta]

to Modo

[Grandpa Troll]

2800 b c to sixpack

[snakegurl]

To Beta
2750BC

[Beta]

to Modo. Sorry for the delay.

[Modo44]

A different kitty this time. ;)

biased

[self biased]

trolled.

[Grandpa Troll]

2750 b c to sixpack

[snakegurl]

,,, and Modo I like that Kitty's style :)

To Beta
2710BC

[Beta]

Modo - is that your preamble to foreign relations. :lol: :b: :b: I like it.

Save to you my friend. :)

[Modo44]

biased

Originally posted by Beta
Modo - is that your preamble to foreign relations. :lol: :b: :b: I like it.

Started collecting some of those lately. Garfield has a great attitude - perfect for diplomacy. :D

As to our current situation, it is getting kind of crowded. Peaceful, but crowded. ;)

[self biased]

to the troll.

[Grandpa Troll]

2710 bc to sixpack


@ modo..simply precious and sweet

from a big bear of a troll-dude whom luvs sweet little kitties


Thanks

[snakegurl]

AAaaahhhhh, how sweet :)

To Beta
2670BC

[Beta]

to Modo.:lol: Great pic. :b:

[Modo44]

biased

Message for one Scout, close to Egyptian borders. This could happen to you:

[self biased]

sent.

[self biased]

oh. and harr harr harr.

[Grandpa Troll]

2670 b c to sixpack

[snakegurl]

Its possible my PC will die soon, so I'm thinking of upgrading both motherboard and OS this w/e . So if all goes quiet on the Snake front u'll know why.

Just saying in case I have problems

[snakegurl]

To Beta
2630 BC

[Modo44]

2630 BC biased.

[Grandpa Troll]

to 6-pack

[snakegurl]

To Beta
2590BC

[Beta]

to modo

[Modo44]

biased

[self biased]

sent.

[Grandpa Troll]

2590 sent to 6 pack

[snakegurl]

To Beta
2550BC

[Beta]

to Modo

[Modo44]

biased

[self biased]

sent.

[Grandpa Troll]

2550 b c to sixpack

since i dun know who/what/where 6 pack is at/looks like/or whatever..this turn is sent with what 6-pack may/may not LOOK LIKE

[snakegurl]

A very nice looking person, GPT

To Beta
2510BC

[Beta]

To Modo.

[Modo44]

biased

[self biased]

sent.

[Grandpa Troll]

to sixpack 2510 b c

[snakegurl]

To Beta,
2470 BC

...another sweet kitty...

[Beta]

to Modo

[Modo44]

biased on the 22nd.

Resending now - on the 28th.

[Grandpa Troll]

2470 BC TO SIXPACK

[snakegurl]

To Beta
2430BC

Sorry folks, but now I'll be offline until 8th April.

[Beta]

snake - understood. Enjoy - whatever you are doing. :)

Save to Modo.