Let's Get Ready to FUMBLE! tracker II

[Gamecube64]

Archipelago, small, 70%, restless barbs, regent (dang ties make me decide stuff), rest of the mid-settings.

Play order.
Gamecube64- Caspianseaweed (TA) gmail (TOD) com - England
Aqualung71- akwalung71 at yahoo dot com - Vikings
Sabrewolf- sabrewolf AT blackhole DOT ch - Byzantines
Kloreep - ben surveypoint com - Netherlands

Lets get ready to FUMBLE!

First turn of the new thread to Aqua.

[Aqualung71]

to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

damn, it's the 5th time the game has frozen at the end of my turn when last checking F1.

aqua: congrats on beating me by half a turn :b:

590bc to kloreep

[Kloreep]

570 to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

and Sabre, congrats on getting a free tech :lol:

[Gamecube64]

I don't think I've gotten it Klo, and I have obtained one of 80 gmail accounts mass posted on a diff forum, so all turns should now be directed to:

Caspianseaweed (TA) gmail (TOD) com

I see you use yahoo Aqua, would you like a gmail once I get to hand some out?

[Kloreep]

Resent

[Aqualung71]

What's gmail?

[sabrewolf]

gmail is google mail... you get 1 GB space!!! :D

[Gamecube64]

much better than my old 20 mb which was never getting upped to the promised 2 gig...
Sent to Aqua.

[Aqualung71]

We're back on at last! Welcome back Klor.....hope you had a good holiday :)

I've got 100Mb with Yahoo, which isn't bad. But I'm happy to try something new if it's free :)

onto Sabre.....free tech Monotheism huh? ;)

[sabrewolf]

570bc to klo-reaper

[Gamecube64]

Sent to Ah-qua

[Aqualung71]

to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

sorry guys, i'm currently working 16 hours per day at my thesis and am absolutely wasted... my only breaks are a few posts at poly.

with my notebook installation of c3c only working when it wants to, an additional problem exists.

going to try my best, but i fear in the next 10 days (hand-in of my thesis), i won't be playing too regularily :(

[Gamecube64]

Gmail sent to Aqua.

[sabrewolf]

gamecube: are you sure? is still havn't played my turn (aiming for it today)...

[Gamecube64]

Originally posted by Gamecube64
Gmail sent to Aqua.

Think about it :)

[sabrewolf]

oh... those pesky details :lol:

[sabrewolf]

550bc to kloreep

[Kloreep]

530 BC to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

Sent to Aqua.

[Kloreep]

Aqua PMed.

His thesis should almost be done, let's get it moving. :)

[Aqualung71]

Wasn't it Sabrewolf writing the thesis? :hmmm:

Anyway, thanks for the PM Klor....it seems GC sent the save to this new gmail account he set up for me, which of course I never check :lol:

530 to Sabre.

GC....please send the saves to my normal Yahoo account ;)

Now I forget where I was in this game :D

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by Aqualung71
Wasn't it Sabrewolf writing the thesis? :hmmm:

That's who I meant to refer to with the "he". :) Should have just used "sabre" since there was no other he to refer to, though.

[Aqualung71]

So you're calling the rest of us women now are you Klor? :lol:

[Kloreep]

:lol:

I just keep digging myself deeper, don't I? :p I mean that the only "he" I had mentioned in my post was you, and so I do seem to be saying you're the one doing the thesis.

[sabrewolf]

ok guys... i'm back....
turn will be played after i get a good night's sleep :D

cheers!

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by Kloreep
:lol:

I just keep digging myself deeper, don't I?

:lol:

[sabrewolf]

i just realised that the save hasn't arrived.
aqua, can you send it to sabrewolf AT freesurf DOT ch? :)

[sabrewolf]

got it now, thanks for the resend

530bc to kloreep

[Kloreep]

510 BC to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

Sent awkward.

[Aqualung71]

to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

510bc to kloreep

damn, i never thought that without rivers it could be that hard! virtually no commerce. and commerce squares (coast) are unproductive :(

congrats to the 13 cities btw!

[Kloreep]

Behold, the power of granary :)

490 BC to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

I feel like the Romans, barbarian invasions are pressing my borders. Hordes of horsemen to the south, hordes of warriors to the north, though the north doesn't worry me, who is scared of barb warriors.

Sent to Aqua.

[Aqualung71]

I'm still waiting for the save to arrive :(

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Gamecube64
I feel like the Romans, barbarian invasions are pressing my borders. Hordes of horsemen to the south, hordes of warriors to the north, though the north doesn't worry me, who is scared of barb warriors.

Sent to Aqua.

the change of era triggered that. although my warriors were covering every single tile of FoW, i missed 1 single one... where i now have had dozens of spawned barbarian horsemen. furtunatly, C3C barbarians are pussies ;I

[Gamecube64]

Horsies spawned just right to hit an elite warrior forted in a city. one horseman left in that stack (one more big one) and my elite warrior left with one hp, hoping to survive to fight again another day.

resent

[Aqualung71]

I've got a stack of about 20 Horsies covering a spot on my island too. I have 3 Archers taking their time picking them off :)

to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

looks like some elites-generation going on on most islands ;)

490bc to kloreep, who'll be the killer once his agricultural trait kicks in with monarchy/republic :scared:

[Kloreep]

I think I'd take the Pyrs over Ag with this start, but I'd certainly say I'm in the second-best shoes.

470 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

Ok then.....I'll make my case for being the most deprived and destitute civ on this earth!

With my start and terrain I would definitely prefer to have Agr and water than the Pyramids. With the Pyramids and no water, I have a a maximum food surplus of 2 in any town (excluding the one meagre Cow bonus I have). This gives a best-case growth rate of 5 turns, excluding Settlers/Workers. Add to this the fact that I have a limited number of Grassland tiles, and I am reduced to building Harbours to get the pop up to 6, which of course means a large proportion of my worked tiles will have no shield produciton, which makes Aqueducts difficult to build - remember, without a single water source, I need Aqueducts in EVERY city!

Remember also, the Pyramids don't help me in settling other islands. Add to that - my closest Iron resource is half a world away and will be under someone else's control anyway.

So bottom line is.....the Pyramids has only managed to keep me in this game. Without it I would be toast!

So.....roll on Invention :evilgrin:

[sabrewolf]

i have about 40 tiles of grassland.... once i cut the jungle and clear the wetlands :lol:

the rest is mainly plains... and irrigating plains is quite tedious. :sigh: , i'm dreaming of a great leader :)

[Aqualung71]

I have a total of 30 GL on my island, of which a third is still forest and (mainly) jungle. I have spent untold turns cutting down jungle already, which is another reason why my development has been slow. And I am still number 4 in the "disease" demographic.

My plains don't count, because I can't irrigate them. Period!

Any advances on that? :lol:

[Gamecube64]

Sent.

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Aqualung71
I have a total of 30 GL on my island, of which a third is still forest and (mainly) jungle. I have spent untold turns cutting down jungle already, which is another reason why my development has been slow. And I am still number 4 in the "disease" demographic.

My plains don't count, because I can't irrigate them. Period!

Any advances on that? :lol:

/me won't listen to any whining from the player who has the best attack unit of the medieval age, an amphibious assault on an island map and no resource requirement

and to top all that: such a slow tech pace that those units really come into effect.

i for one will build plenty of dromons and will consider any galley approaches as an immediate threat. it would be SUCH a shame to loose those pretty axemen in the water, wouldn't it ;)

[Aqualung71]

Yes, well if you really want to know.....my biggest regret in this game is not that I don't have Iron, but that I have Dromons to contend with when I send my Berserker fleets over :lol:

But thats still a long ways off. Perhaps Sabre will forget about me by then :D

[Aqualung71]

470BC to the frightening Byzantines!!!

[sabrewolf]

i was just about to say something against that, but after seeing the incredible attack animation of my dromons (only against barbarians, don't worry), i got a shock of my own. i had no idea they looked that cool ;)

470bc to the agricultural

[Kloreep]

We're called Dutch, darn it! :p ;)

450 BC to GC

[Gamecube64]

Silly Nethers... calling themselves Dutch.

To Aqua.

[Aqualung71]

on to Sabre

[yawn]

[sabrewolf]

450bc to kloreep

sorry for the slight delay

[Kloreep]

430 BC to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

Sent to the Norsemen.

[Aqualung71]

....and on to the keeper of the ships of flame!

[sabrewolf]

430bc to the spiky long sticks

[Aqualung71]

Wow, he's got them already? :hmmm:

Ever consider what a lost cause it would be trying to attack the Dutch with 4-defence Swiss Merc's in the early middle ages? :eek:

[sabrewolf]

lost cause?

3 words: ber - serk - ers :lol:
(which have attack 9 when coming from sea iirc!)

[Gamecube64]

NINE!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?! thats better than Sipahi! Why do I have to be his neighbor *shifts uncomfortably*

[sabrewolf]

not sure if it's nine... but i remember hearing that C3C gives amphibious assaults an attack bonus....

[Kloreep]

Did not know that... :scared:

Still, 5 forted defense for 30 shields = strength in numbers. :D

410 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

But you guys all know that I'm a peaceful builder type :D


Hmmm, amphibious attack bonus? Now that would be handy if I wasn't a builder, wouldn't it?

[Gamecube64]

Sent to the scarey one.

[Aqualung71]

No GC, you sent it to me, not Sabre ;)

Hey, just got back from tonight's Chris Isaak concert in Perth. Man, that guy is a fantastic performer.....brilliant with the audience, versatile on stage. A mark of a great performer is he can reproduce his studio sound on stage without all the production. Great concert - best I've been to in years!

Anyway, that's my little thumbs up for the good ol' southerner from the U S of A for tonight :)

on to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

aqua, why do you try to divert the focus to me?

i'm the one who can bombard tiles... YOU are the one who could take on all oponents at once with your UU.

?

[sabrewolf]

to the klo-reeper

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
aqua, why do you try to divert the focus to me?

i'm the one who can bombard tiles... YOU are the one who could take on all oponents at once with your UU.

?

I hardly think I could take all civs on at once, old chap. This is not AP we're playing here ;). Besides which, it doesn't matter how many attack points my units have if they drown after being burnt alive by your ships of fire :(

With the high cost of Berserkers and my Aqueduct-deprived production abilities, I'll be lucky to produce one every 10 turns! :eek:

[Gamecube64]

Sent to Aqua-ductless.

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by Gamecube64
Sent to Aqua-ductless.

:lol:

on to Sabre

[Aqualung71]

FYI, if you haven't been following the discussion....the consensus seems to be that Berserkers (and Marines) get an attack bonus of 25% when attacking amphibiously.....so attack of 7.5 from a ship.

Here is the thread (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123615) if you are interested. ;)

[sabrewolf]

ah, "only" 25%... "only" 7.5 against 3.75 defence pikemen (fortified in small cities). that's "only" a 2-in-1 chance of HP-victory so "only" about a 85% victory chance for each veteran attacker.

aqua: i didn't get the save. can you resend?

[Aqualung71]

Resent to Sabre.....was it 390BC?

[sabrewolf]

yes, 390bc

sorry, my bad, i should have emailed you instead of only posting...


anyway, 390bc to kloreep

[Kloreep]

370 BC to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

So much water but not a drop to drink...

Sent to Aqua.

[Aqualung71]

My fellow FUMBLERS:

After decades of searching, I still have not found an Iron source anywhere near my lands. Just how many are on this map? I can only see 2 - Sabre's and GC's.....but I'm sure Kloreep has one somewhere too.

370BC to Sabre.

Tech research in this game is just so painful!

Oh Sabre, good luck on the SoZ. You're gonna have awesome strike power soon :)

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Aqualung71
After decades of searching, I still have not found an Iron source anywhere near my lands. Just how many are on this map? I can only see 2 - Sabre's and GC's.....but I'm sure Kloreep has one somewhere too.

i havn't seen another one either. but then... who am i to know ;)

370BC to Sabre.
nothing yet (as usual, australia-switzerland takes a long time to arrive). if i don't get anything in 10mins, i'm off to bed. it's 04:30 here :(

Tech research in this game is just so painful!
isn't it. i thought early republic would help. but unfortunatly it didn't make such a big difference as i had hoped :(

Oh Sabre, good luck on the SoZ. You're gonna have awesome strike power soon :)
says the guy with the 7.5 amphibious attack (i know, i know, i keep repeating myself :lol: ... but it's true) who cares about 3-attack 2-movers on this map. i consider them "portable shields" (10 shields each). at least SoZ won't be obsolete too soon at our current tech pace :lol:

[sabrewolf]

370bc to kloreep

[Kloreep]

Damnit, the game crashed when I ended the turn.

I'll try to replay in a moment, going to do another PBEM first.

[Kloreep]

Played again, crashed again. :(

[Aqualung71]

Bugger :(

Sabre, perhaps you should play again and send to Kloreep?

[Kloreep]

End of turn crash makes me think it's actually caused by something rather than corruption that's gotten in to the file.

IIRC there can be problems with diplomacy treaties ending. Anyone remember the details on that? We had the PTWDG I stuck on a diplo crash for the longest time...

[sabrewolf]

ok, i'll replay. had a bluescreen recently, maybe some bytes where corrupted. i'll get to it tonight, not around a playable c3c version right now...

[sabrewolf]

i'll have to play it tomorrow... c3c issues :(

kloreep: that thing with the diplomacy is possible - i've seen it once before (though i wasn't sure if it was diplomacy reasons). but i'll try this time with another diplomatical path...

[sabrewolf]

replayed slightly different. if it still doesn't work, i'll try again yet another way...

370bc to kloreep

[Kloreep]

I'm an idiot. :idiot: I didn't think to check my own diplomacy. It looks like Kloreep-Sabre and Kloreep-Aqua diplo both got corrupted; I can scroll down in the Active screen for both of them, but there's nothing there, just blank space.

Anyway, declaring war on you two seems to work; the turn didn't crash, at east. :D I sent you guys peace accepted too, so don't worry when you see that.

This is starting to feel like the PTWDG with all the fake wars...

Anyway, 350 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

Or we could forget about peace and Sabre and I could just take the War Happiness :idea: :lol:

[sabrewolf]

so far we havn't been playing by the iron civer rules. but phony wars would definately break some of those ;)

speaking of that: i think it would be good to adapt them - better late than never. what do you guys think?

[Gamecube64]

Sent.

[Aqualung71]

350BC to Sabrewolf.

Such a slow game.....but the fascinating long term strategy possibilities make this my favourite PBEM!

[sabrewolf]

350bc to kloreep

being so slow, some wonders get much more valuable than they are in regular games. it's not my favourite, but it belongs to the preferred ones :)

[Kloreep]

330 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
being so slow, some wonders get much more valuable than they are in regular games.

Yeh, like SoZ. I wonder who's gonna build that? :D

[Gamecube64]

Sent to the Aqua-one.

[sabrewolf]

330bc to K

[Aqualung71]

sent to Sabre.....in the 48 minutes after GC's post and before Sabre's post :lol:

[Kloreep]

310 BC to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

Sent.

[Aqualung71]

My 3 faithful Archers have finally finished dispatching the 20-odd Barbarian Horsemen camped in our lands since the move into the middle-ages.

And the number of promotions from Veteran to Elite for the magnificently miliaristic Vikings: Zero!

on to Sabre :mad:

[sabrewolf]

310bc to kloreep

aqua: archers win battles, berserkers win wars ;)

[Kloreep]

290 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
310bc to kloreep

aqua: archers win battles, berserkers win wars ;)

I was merely pointing out the vagaries of the RNG....not asserting my supposed military strength.

[sabrewolf]

i know ;)

i've got 2 warriors picking off the barbarians. one is elite, but i'll have to upgrade him later on.

[Aqualung71]

on to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

/me can not believe what has happened in the past days!

mount ferrum has erupted and obliterated a whole city! the few survivors are rebuilding their homes. this world is truly not friendly towards the peace loving byzantines :(


290bc to the dominating dutch

[Aqualung71]

You mean, you built a town adjacent to a Volcano? :nono:

[Gamecube64]

I have two cows by a volcano :(
Sent to Aqua.

[sabrewolf]

270bc to the REXer

my island is full of volcanoes, i don't have too much choice...

[Aqualung71]

Oops, looks like I've been holding up this game. Sorry :nono:

Gamecube sent me the turn under the name of another game (ADR) and so I didn't notice the turn until I started wondering what was holding up this game.....and then found it.

250BC on to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

250bc to kloreep

[Kloreep]

230 BC to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

Sent to Aqua.

[Aqualung71]

to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

230bc to kloreep

[Aqualung71]

Ok, I'll do it: Kloreep --> GC64 --> Aqua :D

Celebrations in the Viking homeland ensue, as the first ever life-giving Aqueduct is completed. Now only another 15 turns until the next one :dizzy:

210BC to Sabre.

[sabrewolf]

210bc to the lord of the northern hemisphere


yeah, 100 shields is extremely expensive for aqueducts. makes agricultural _even_ more valuable on such maps...

[Aqualung71]

Too right! Actually, I'm not really sure why I'm building them, since with limited Grasslands, my growth will all come from Coastal squares, which means my shield production will be crap for most cities. (No response required Sabre....I do actually know why I'm building them :lol: )

[EDIT: I've finally worked out the key to success in this game. Abandon all cities, then abandon my Capital and palace-jump to a new world! :D]

[Kloreep]

190 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

190bc to kloreep


aqua: no veto from me towards your key to success. we'll all feel a lot more comfortable when we know that the 9-attack amphibious units will not be coming :)
good luck in the next world :lol:

[sabrewolf]

(bump)

kloreep?

[Kloreep]

Whoops, should have checked the thread. I never got 190 BC. Please resend. :)

[sabrewolf]

resent

[Kloreep]

170 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

On to the mighty Byzantine Republic :)

[sabrewolf]

nothing might about the byzantines :(

sent to kloreep a few hours ago

[Kloreep]

150 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

over to the not so might Byzantines then ;)

[sabrewolf]

150bc to kloreep

[Kloreep]

130 BC to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

Aqua!

[Aqualung71]

Sabre!!!

[sabrewolf]

130bc to kloreep

[Kloreep]

110 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

110bc to the one with the strongest army, the most cities and the most islands.

at least i have the most libraries... not that they'll save me from the berserkers, but still ;)

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
at least i have the most libraries... not that they'll save me from the berserkers, but still ;)

Berserkers are still aways off (hint, hint).....in other words, please leave my Galley alone ;)

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
110bc to the one with the strongest army, the most cities and the most islands.

But nowhere near the best GNP...

90 BC on to GC

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by Kloreep


But nowhere near the best GNP...


Yes, that honour is reserved for the mighty Byzantine republic with her frightening Ships of Fire

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Kloreep
But nowhere near the best GNP...


so i can rush 1 library more every 5 turns... ;)

by the way, it's clear that you GNP isn't that good... your cities are spread out over the whole globe. they won't help your productivity for quite a long time.

cheers

[Aqualung71]

GNP is calculated before corruption, so relates to the total gross commerce generated by all tiles worked in the empire. Obviously those of you with rivers and extra resources such as gold, plus more cities/population and roaded tiles, will have the best GNP.

on to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

90bc to kloreep

thanks aqua. ah, so the uncorrupted value counts!
well, no rivers on my island, but plenty of coastal tiles which provide 3 commerce units.

[Aqualung71]

And of course, given that you're the only one in Republic and get the extra commerce per tile worked, it's a difficult time to read anything into the GNP calculation, which doesn't take into account support costs or corruption.

[Aqualung71]

Posted in the wrong thread, sorry.

By the way....go check out the latest succession game in the Democracy forum....we're playing Rome in the RoR Conquest.....new Senators for advice are welcome :)

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Aqualung71
And of course, given that you're the only one in Republic and get the extra commerce per tile worked, it's a difficult time to read anything into the GNP calculation, which doesn't take into account support costs or corruption.

yep, republic is killing me with the support costs for my dozens of workers improving my rubbish land, forcing me to slow down my research, but it's probably still better than monarchy or despotism with the extra commerce and with the extra food from irrigated grasslands, i can actually create more workers faster :cool:

[Kloreep]

70 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

on to Sabre, as the years march inexorably onwards and yet the Viking empire manages to produce virtually nothing :(

[sabrewolf]

70bc to kloreep

[Kloreep]

50 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

on to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

50bc to kloreep

[Kloreep]

30 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

It's so hard making any plans in this game, because everything takes so long you eventually forget what your plans ever were! :rant:

on to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

30bc to kloreep

yay, we closing in to 4000 years of gameplay ;)

[Kloreep]

10 BC to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

10BC to Sabrewolf

I hear that one will soon walk among us who will establish the most long lasting political institution the world will ever see ;)

[sabrewolf]

aqua: i have no idea what you're talking about... but if you say so ;)

turn sent quite some time ago (havn't had much access to apolyton recently)

[Kloreep]

10 AD to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

Aquaed

[Aqualung71]

Welcome to the new Millennium :)

10AD on to Sabrewolf

[sabrewolf]

10ad to kloreep

[Kloreep]

30 AD to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

30ad to kloreep

[Kloreep]

50 AD to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

50ad to kloreep

[Aqualung71]

I fear I will spend the whole of this game in Despotism. GC, Sabre, how long was your Anarchy?

[Kloreep]

70 AD to GameCube

Ah, the joys of Civ3's PBEM system...

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by Kloreep

Ah, the joys of Civ3's PBEM system...

Huh? :hmmm:

[Kloreep]

I looked in my sent folder and it seems I mistakenly sent 50 AD again to GC. I just sent 70 AD.

[Aqualung71]

and 5 days later GC hadn't reminded you?

No wonder this game has slowed down so much :rant:

Sabre....you playing AU505?

[Kloreep]

Could be he did by e-mail and it got lost in cyperspace. :) I would assume he did unless my second sending of 50 AD was what got lost in sending.

[Aqualung71]

70AD to Sabrewolf

[sabrewolf]

70ad to kloreep

aqua: i havn't been checking the AU forum actually except one AUmod thread where i've posted twice so far.

i started a au504 trial round (playing as india) but still havn't got that game past the industrial age... i guess i'll skip au504 and go to au505. is it worth it or again a frustrating game where one feels swamped on the difficulty level you usually win at without problems.

[Aqualung71]

Sabre - It's a pretty fun game. Nice start for quick research :) Have a go, and play at Demi-God ;)

By the way, I didn't find AU504 was particularly difficult for your chosen comfort level. And it was great for establishing the cultural power of the War Elephant :)

[sabrewolf]

yep, the WE is great. and elite 6HP-4attack are similarily good like the 4HP-6attack veteran cavalry.

demi-god is probably too high for me, even with stock rules. that extra AI settler just makes my rex too limited :(

[Kloreep]

90 AD to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

to Sabrewolf

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by sabrewolf demi-god is probably too high for me, even with stock rules. that extra AI settler just makes my rex too limited :(

That's what makes it interesting and keeps it fun for longer....push yourself!

[sabrewolf]

90ad to kloreep

[Kloreep]

110 AD to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

110AD to Sabrewolf

[sabrewolf]

110ad to kloreep

[Aqualung71]

---> to GC
---> to Aqua.....

and 130AD to Sabrewolf :b:

[sabrewolf]

130ad to kloreep


uhm... i'm not recieving any answers to my emails. if that's on purpose, please let me know, because i hate it when i'm ignored. and if i dislike a game, it sinks in my personal priority, which slows down the game and makes it even less important... :(

[Aqualung71]

Sabre.....sorry, I've just been buy playing turns, etc, and one game in particular has been going rapid fire for a few days. No offence intended.....I will send you an email today sometime :)

[Kloreep]

Sorry, I have a bad habit of putting off diplo, and then I forget about it unless I make sure to mark the message unread...

150 AD to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

150AD to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

150ad to kloreep

[Kloreep]

170 AD to GC

[Aqualung71]

170AD to Sabre

[Kloreep]

190 AD to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

Happy New Year chaps :)

190AD to Sabrewolf

[Kloreep]

210 AD to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

Aqualunged!

[Aqualung71]

210AD to Sabrewolf

[sabrewolf]

to kloreep some time ago

[Kloreep]

230 AD to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

230AD to Sabrewolf

[Kloreep]

Anyone seen sabrewolf around?

[Aqualung71]

Not for some time. I hope everything is ok with him :hmmm:

[Kloreep]

He answered an e-mail of mine saying he's very busy and will play the save as soon as he can. :)

[Aqualung71]

Earth calling Sabre, earth calling Sabre :D

Man, this is the longest Anarchy I've ever had, and it's only been 1 turn so far :(

[sabrewolf]

sorry guys for the long delay! last week i had a guest in addition to several job interviews and several other applications that had to be written.

i didn't even check poly during the whole week!

anyhow, turn sent this afternoon!
let's get the BC-era over with :)

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
anyhow, turn sent this afternoon!
let's get the BC-era over with :)

Ahem......errr, it's 230AD already Sabre. What planet are you living on these days? ;)

[Kloreep]

250 AD to Gamecube

[sabrewolf]

Originally posted by Aqualung71
Ahem......errr, it's 230AD already Sabre. What planet are you living on these days? ;)

details, details :lol:

i must have mixed it up with another PBEM...

[Gamecube64]

250ad sent to aquaname

[Aqualung71]

aquaname? :hmmm: :lol:

250AD to Sabrewolf

[Kloreep]

260 AD to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

Sented

[Aqualung71]

260AD to Sabrewolf

[sabrewolf]

260ad to kloreep

[Kloreep]

270 AD to Gamecube

[Gamecube64]

Sent

[Aqualung71]

270AD to Sabrewolf

[Kloreep]

280 AD to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

This game is running so slow, for one that used to be on my list of fastest games :(

280AD to Sabrewolf

[Kloreep]

290 AD to Gamecube

[sabrewolf]

aqua: that's because i sometimes recieve the saves at 03:30 local time, so i miss it. i usually can't play in the morning, sometimes at lunch. but by then kloreep is sleeping/working anyhow ;)

[Aqualung71]

Ah, then I guess it all goes back to when GC gets the save to me. It used to be in my inbox when I woke up, which is around 2300 GMT, which meant I coulkd play it and get it off to Sabre who would often play it before going to bed, and so we got the turn around in a day. But lately GC has been getting it to me when I am already at work.....for instance, it just came in now which is around 1030am my time, and 0230GMT.

Oh well, s**t happens ;)

[Aqualung71]

Ah, this map is killing me! Just entered Republic, and my empire is about 5% better off :rant:

I have no way to catch up in this game :(

290AD to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

aqua: when i switched (a lot earlier than you) i was in fact worse off than before, mainly because of the extremely expensive units and my shitty capital location. but with time (and some courthouses), things look better.

but, uhm... why should you never be able to catch up in this game? you're not far behind in any area of the game, have decent land (but no fresh water) and your UU is still the best unit in the game until marines.

[sabrewolf]

290ad to kloreep

[Aqualung71]

Originally posted by sabrewolf
but, uhm... why should you never be able to catch up in this game? you're not far behind in any area of the game, have decent land (but no fresh water) and your UU is still the best unit in the game until marines.

Well frankly, it's not hard to work out Sabre. As you say, I have no fresh water. I also have limted grasslands. That means city growth is either 5 or 10 turns. For most cities, if I want growth to be 5 turns, I must use all coastal tiles.....meaning, crap production. If I want production, I must reduce growth to 10 turns (1 food surplus) or no growth at all.

As for the UU.....yes, wonderful, but at 70 shields even my best city will take 6 turns to spit out one Berserker, and that is forgoing any other vitally needed city improvements during that time.

I'm not complaining mind you....just despondent about the limitations of a kindgom without fresh water. :(

[sabrewolf]

well, i guess you'll be eager to get electricity ;)

btw, i don't have many grassland tiles either. only when i irrigated the plains (still at it!) did i have 2 food from land-based tiles. and irrigated plains are equivalent to mined regular grassland.

oh, and believe me when i say that i'm relieved that those berserkers cost so much! imagine them being 40s! you would have taken down 2 empires by now :lol:

ps: with the ultra-early pyramids you compensate for the slower growth when using mined hills or so...

[Kloreep]

300 AD to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

300AD to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

played and sent 14 hours ago...

[Kloreep]

310 AD to Gamecube

[Aqualung71]

310AD to Sabrewolf

Anyone else losing interest in this godforsaken world?

[sabrewolf]

310ad

not yet, but if you are, you are welcome to gift me your cities :p

aqua: what level is au506 worth trying? i read from theseus' post that it's hard... so that means it must be really hard

[Kloreep]

320 AD to Gamecube

Originally posted by Aqualung71
Anyone else losing interest in this godforsaken world?

I'm not particularly invested, though it's interesting trying to make a working civ out of these conditions.

If you want to pull out, that's fine by me. We could either stop or find a replacement.

[sabrewolf]

not too long ago everyone voted this game as one of their favourite as it's tougher and slower than other PBEMs.
and now that we had a month of temporary slowdown, you guys want to stop/withdraw? that would be a shame :(

[Aqualung71]

No, I won't pullout. I just hate the pace of production and growth. What's worse is, unlike you guys, I have no way of improving the situation for myself.

[Gamecube64]

To Aqualung.

[Aqualung71]

320AD to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

320ad to kloreep

damn, someone has overtaken me for 1st position in Mfg Goods :(
and, i've got cheap libraries, but still not the most land :shame: :blush:

[Kloreep]

330 AD to Gamecube

I edge you out for most land. Fat lot of good that tundra does me, though...

I also have #1 Mfg, I'll admit. But I'm sure you can surpass me if you try. ;)

[Gamecube64]

I have no water... darn island.
Aquaed

[Aqualung71]

Oh, I thought you did :(

330AD to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

330ad to kloreep

[Kloreep]

340 AD to GameCube

[Gamecube64]

I thought I did.
Sent.

[Aqualung71]

340AD to Sabre

[sabrewolf]

340ad to kloreep