Conquests: Mesopotamia PBEM Turnthread 2

[Rhothaerill]

Continuing from the first thread here (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100708)

Turn order, civs, emails
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1. Paddy the Scot (ex-SirOsis) - Egyptians - pirate TA vtown TOD com TOD au
2. Wittlich - Mycenaeans - wittlich TA sbcglobal TOD net
3. conmcb25 (ex-Feephi/bfg9000) - Babylonians - conmcb25 TA bluemarble TOD net
4. akulla - Medeans - kilianrog TA aol TOD com
5. Rhothaerill (ex-benwa73) - Phoenicians - rhothaerill TA comcast TOD net
6. Beta - Sumerians - brucehynes57 TA rogers TOD com
7. snoopy369 (ex-SAMUEL2904 (ex-redstar1)) - Hittites -snoopy369 TA yahoo TOD com
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[Wittlich]

Don't mind me, just placing my mark in this thread. :naughty:

[conmcb25]

Which thread is this???????

[Wittlich]

It is our Mesopotamia PBEM game Con. :lol:

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Don't mind me, just placing my mark in this thread. :naughty:

I could say SOOOO many things about that statement that wouldn't be proper. :cute:

[Beta]

:lol:

I can imagine half of them.

2520bc save to the snoopmeister.

And Witt - I get that hydrant over there.

Beta wags his tail and heads for the fire hydrant.

[Beta]

Rhoth - can you re-post the turn order in the first post of this thread. AND - if possible - who is playing for whom now.

I sure wish they had created the ability to change player names in MP.

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by Beta
Rhoth - can you re-post the turn order in the first post of this thread. AND - if possible - who is playing for whom now.

I sure wish they had created the ability to change player names in MP.

Done.

Yeah I wish they had too. Only you, Witt and akulla are still left from the original seven, and the Hittites have changed owners twice now. :dizzy:

[snoopy369]

That's because they were a particularly unruly team. I think I have them straightened out though, and thanks to a key addition or two we're going all the way this year ... ALL THE WAY!! WORLD SERIES, HERE WE ..

oh, wait. Nevermind.

<-- Chicago Cubs fan ^^

2480 to Paddy.

[Paddy]

:lol:

world series indeed :lol:

2480bc to Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2480BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

2480 to akkula

[Rhothaerill]

2480bc to Beta

[Beta]

Sent to snoopdog a number of hours ago.

[Paddy]

2440BC to Wittlich

[conmcb25]

Ill check this one in a few minutes. Sometimes witt plays this early.

If not soon then Im off to ork and will have to wait till tonight.

[Wittlich]

2440BC Turn sent to Con.

[Rhothaerill]

2440bc to Beta

[Beta]

And to snoopy.

[snoopy369]

to Paddy

[Paddy]

2400 to Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2400BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

2400 to akkula

[Beta]

Save has been received from Rhothaerill and sent to snoopy.

[snoopy369]

on to Paddy.

[Paddy]

2370 to Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2370BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

2370BC to Akkula

[Rhothaerill]

2370bc to Beta

[Beta]

And to snoop.

[snoopy369]

and to Paddy.

[Paddy]

2340 to Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2340BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

2340BC Turn sent to Akkula

[akulla]

To Roth, Bonzi !!!

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by akulla
To Roth, Bonzi !!!

Please resend. You sent me the save con sent to you. I also sent an email request. :)

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Rhothaerill


Please resend. You sent me the save con sent to you. I also sent an email request. :)

Maybe he wants you to play the Meadeans as well :cute:

[Rhothaerill]

2340bc to Beta

[Beta]

Bonzi my a$$.

War! :doitnow!:

Save to snoopy.

Peaceful Sumerian farmers put aside their rakes and ploughs, and reach for spears and bows. We take our war as seriously as we take our peace.

[Wittlich]

:scared: The Sleeping Dog has been awakend! :lol:

[snoopy369]

Make that sleeping dogS ... :D

On to Paddy.

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Make that sleeping dogS ... :D

On to Paddy.

Are you at war too? What's this world coming too? :D

[Paddy]

2310 to Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2310BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

2310 to akkula

[akulla]

sent, to all please stay out of my territory - my country men and I all want peace, but will not accept naked agression.

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by akulla
sent, to all please stay out of my territory - my country men and I all want peace, but will not accept naked agression.

This ought to be a fun war to watch. :D Screenshots?? :doitnow!:

Oh, and I won't be able to play until later tonight. :)

[conmcb25]

Ok lets get the trash talking started, just who started this war anyway????? ;)

[Rhothaerill]

2310bc to Beta the warhound

[Wittlich]

:lol: Yes....I'm curious myself....War? What war? :confused:

Beta, Beta, Beta....have you been being naughty lately? :lol:

[Paddy]

onto Lord Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2280BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

2280->akkula

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Rhothaerill


Are you at war too? What's this world coming too? :D

Us Dogs have to stick together, man. Otherwise the Akullas of the world would just step on our tails ...

:P Just kidding, akulla.

[akulla]

To Egypt, Mycea, and Phenocia, it seems that the Bab's, Sumerians, and Hitties have an alliance against me -- perhaps they love to destroy peace loving people for thier personal gain. Most of you are to far from me to help, however moral support would be great.

The mighty Medees shall prevail over the tyrants.

:mad: :rant: :rant: :rant: :evilgrin:

Oh, turn sent.

[Rhothaerill]

2280bc to Beta

[snoopy369]

Once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more; Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war ...

[snoopy369]

And yes, i'm well aware that this is a conflation of two different plays in that sentence. Nonetheless it sounded good and I'm sticking with it. :)

[Beta]

Originally posted by Wittlich
:lol: Yes....I'm curious myself....War? What war? :confused:

Beta, Beta, Beta....have you been being naughty lately? :lol:

It ain't me who started it. I placed a city down near a luxury close to the medean border - and I had a unit which was crossing near the edge of medean territory, but clearly not straight across the middle.

And then 'zap', my city is destroyed in an overt act of aggression that has clearly enraged the sentiments of this peace-loving world. Hence ...war. And as snoopy has so aptly stated:

Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of war.

Save to the aforementioned snoopdog of war.

[conmcb25]

I am mearly responding to a defensive agreement I have with Beta.

I didn't want war, but Im definately willing to use force to end this disagreement.

And it is unfortunate overall because this is supposed to be a builder scenario :(

[Wittlich]

Ah....so it all comes down to the control of a luxury item. :shame:

And by Beta's account, it looks like the first shot was fired by akulla. Can you confirm Beta's account akulla, or do you have a different story to tell? :conspire:

[conmcb25]

I can confirm Beta's account.

Beta is nothing but a peace loving Sumarian Farmer trying to make his way in the world (with the assistance of the agricultural trait I might add).

Up to now he has really made nothing but Ploughs.

Now he is forced to beat them into swords.

I live right next to him and we have had nothing but cordial relations. We would have both been happy to attempt to build our way to victory.

;)

[Beta]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Ah....so it all comes down to the control of a luxury item. :shame:



Well - sort of. I think akulla's main issue was geography. But then - my perspective is - first come - first served.

con - thanks for your support. And yes - it has been a relatively peaceful game up until now. So maybe we should all thank akulla for spicing up the game. :cute:

[Wittlich]

This is true, the game was rather quiet. At least now we have some action! :lol:

[snoopy369]

mmm ... action. :)

Turn to the Paddy of Oz.

[Paddy]

2550 to Lord Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2250BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

2250 to akkula

[akulla]

Just to get one thing straight, I did fire the first shot (arrow).

You can call it coincidence or what ever you want - but both the Sumerians and Hittites entered my territory on the same turn and where both within one space of one of my cities. The military actions that I brought were within the boarders of my territory, and I was well within my Imperial Rights to protect my citizens from any raiding parties. If, no aggression was their intent then they should not have entered my territory.

There are two old Meadian proverbs I would now like to relate.

Should you wake from a slumber, and a stranger is in your home. “Shoot first, ask questions later”.

An old Hellian once said a picture is worth a thousand words, so I have attached a scroll that was traced from the memory of captured enemy soldiers. (see attached)

My question is why did they enter my territory, if they mean non-aggression?

I have no quarrel with the Bab’s and only want peace. I would behead the eunuch that negotiated your Defensive Agreement with the Sumerians; it was obviously bad counsel for the Sumerians are on the Offensive. Do you have an Offensive agreement with them?

The peace loving Meades only want peace, if the Sumerians and Hittites really want peace then I will grant it to them.

To my secret allies - my most profound gratitude and undying support for your causes. I shall sacrifice 1000 virgins in your honor.

AKULLA the Great and Most Pious, Slayer of Godia the Giant, Keeper of the Flame and Man about Town -- HAS SPOKEN.

ps: turn sent.

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by akulla
Just to get one thing straight, I did fire the first shot (arrow).

You can call it coincidence or what ever you want - but both the Sumerians and Hittites entered my territory on the same turn and where both within one space of one of my cities. The military actions that I brought were within the boarders of my territory, and I was well within my Imperial Rights to protect my citizens from any raiding parties. If, no aggression was their intent then they should not have entered my territory.

There are two old Meadian proverbs I would now like to relate.

Should you wake from a slumber, and a stranger is in your home. “Shoot first, ask questions later”.

An old Hellian once said a picture is worth a thousand words, so I have attached a scroll that was traced from the memory of captured enemy soldiers. (see attached)

My question is why did they enter my territory, if they mean non-aggression?

I have no quarrel with the Bab’s and only want peace. I would behead the eunuch that negotiated your Defensive Agreement with the Sumerians; it was obviously bad counsel for the Sumerians are on the Offensive. Do you have an Offensive agreement with them?

The peace loving Meades only want peace, if the Sumerians and Hittites really want peace then I will grant it to them.

To my secret allies - my most profound gratitude and undying support for your causes. I shall sacrifice 1000 virgins in your honor.

AKULLA the Great and Most Pious, Slayer of Godia the Giant, Keeper of the Flame and Man about Town -- HAS SPOKEN.

ps: turn sent.

:lol: That was great. The eunuch part was especially funny considering it's conmcb25. :cute:

I look forward to more trash-talk during this war. :b: Enjoy yourselves. :D

P.S. I'll be able to play later tonight.

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by akulla
I have no quarrel with the Bab’s and only want peace. I would behead the eunuch that negotiated your Defensive Agreement with the Sumerians; it was obviously bad counsel for the Sumerians are on the Offensive. Do you have an Offensive agreement with them?


No there was no offensive agreement but you did fire the first shot hence you are the aggressor.

The Hittites have been pretty pissy with me about my units in there territory. The issues have been resolved and there was no war.

I would hardly call one warrior and one Enkidu Warrior an act of aggression, but then thats me.

Talk first, then shot. Your ancient proverb may have just gotten you into an awful mess.

Are you offering me something for peace?

[akulla]

!

[akulla]

Originally posted by akulla
sent, to all please stay out of my territory - my country men and I all want peace, but will not accept naked agression.

With regards to me starting it, I asked for them to leave and they did not. Perhaps, it would have been prudent for the French to ask Germany kindly leave France when the invaded and then perhaps not.

With regards to Peace I offer my hand in friendship to the Bab's.

[Rhothaerill]

2250bc to Beta

[Beta]

And to snoopy.

[Beta]

akulla - I would buy your propaganda if you had killed my Enkidu Warrior. But you destroyed a city legitimately built outside your borders.

The warrior was passing through - and by himself could obviously do little harm. In fact - if I recall - I think he was caught by your cultural border expansion. I wioll have to revist the saves to confirm - but I was being fairly careful about keeping out of others territory.

So sorry - I don't buy your story - but it is a good one. :)

As to the Hittites entering on the same turn - well that is news to me - and not my issue.

On one thing we agree - I have always thought con was a eunuch as well. :lol:

It is that high-pitched whine of his, as in ... "You are lazy and suck" .. that had me wondering.

Save to snoopy.

[Wittlich]

:hmmm: Beta has brought up a valid point concerning this latest "disagreement" (I don't want to call it a "war" since I for one believe that it can be stopped before it escalates any further).

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by Wittlich
:hmmm: Beta has brought up a valid point concerning this latest "disagreement"

That con is a eunuch? Well okay if you agree to that too.

:cute:

[akulla]

Originally posted by Beta


On one thing we agree - I have always thought con was a eunuch as well. :lol:

.

LOL

[akulla]

I am up for Peace, Whit could you be our arbitrator?

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by akulla
I am up for Peace, Whit could you be our arbitrator?

Yes, I can be an arbitrator for a cease-fire, if it is agreeable to all parties involved.

[Beta]

I don't know. Once a nation gets psyched up for a war, it is hard to get the 'machinery' turned off.

The matter is currently under debate in the Sumerian Official Chambers, Kings Home Of Peace - Otherwise known as the SOCKHOP. The musicians are very busy.

[Wittlich]

:lol:

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Beta
On one thing we agree - I have always thought con was a eunuch as well. :lol:


My neighbor is such a nit wit.

The ambassador I sent to you to negotiate the treaty was a eunuch and thats what YOU requested. Hint Hint

[conmcb25]

OK Witt if beta is agreeable start brokering ;)

[conmcb25]

Who has the save???????

[Paddy]

:lol: so much good banter that we forget to actually play the save...

that is cool :cool:

[Wittlich]

It looks like the save was passed to Snoopy from Beta yesterday. So I'm assuming that Snoopy is still in possession of it. ;)

[conmcb25]

SnoopDog, what gives?

Do I have a warrior in your territory again threatening your existance?????? :lol:

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by conmcb25
OK Witt if beta is agreeable start brokering ;)

Well, Beta has not, as of yet, stated if he was interested in any cease-fire negotiations being started.


So, my Lord Beta, are you going to be sending a representative to the negotiatings or not? If you do, do you accept myself as an arbitrator to the event?

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by conmcb25
SnoopDog, what gives?

Do I have a warrior in your territory again threatening your existance?????? :lol:

:b: :lol:

[Paddy]

2220 to Wittlich

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by conmcb25
SnoopDog, what gives?

Do I have a warrior in your territory again threatening your existance?????? :lol:

Now I never said you were threatening my existence... I think it was pretty much the other way around, ie me threatening your warrior's existence :eek:

No, I had a bit of work to do these last two days -- end of the month means more work than beginning of the month, so not as many saves could be played as fast as i normally would.

That, and I wanted to see whether the "Secret Allies" would show themselves. I for one am going to laugh at attempts at any seperate peace ... for the Noble Hittites have never backed down from a fight, nor have ever left an ally -- even a pigheaded one like Bountiful Babylon :p

Akulla, my warrior only entered your territory after the discovery that you had destroyed the city of a friend. A show of support must be made in situations like this, to show that you may not destroy innocent civilians without the Wrath of God falling down upon you. May the Horsemen of the Apocalypse reign fiery death upon all who murder in cold blood ...

:evil:

[Wittlich]

2220BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

2220 to akkula

[Rhothaerill]

2220bc to Beta

[Beta]

2220BC to snoopy.

[Beta]

Originally posted by snoopy369

Akulla, my warrior only entered your territory after the discovery that you had destroyed the city of a friend. A show of support must be made in situations like this, to show that you may not destroy innocent civilians without the Wrath of God falling down upon you. May the Horsemen of the Apocalypse reign fiery death upon all who murder in cold blood ...

:evil:

:b: Them's pretty strong words, and they sound good to us. :)

[snoopy369]

and on to Paddy.

Note: When i say Horsemen of the Apocalypse, note that they are not limited to Four ... :p

[Paddy]

Originally posted by snoopy369
and on to Paddy.

Note: When i say Horsemen of the Apocalypse, note that they are not limited to Four ... :p

2190 to Wittlich

[Wittlich]

Damned barbarian hordes! :angry:

2190BC Turn sent to Con.

[snoopy369]

Yeh, barbs suck in this game -- 2/2 barbarian units is a pain ... ><

[Wittlich]

You telling me, right now I'm dealing with 4 stacks of 4 horsemen each. Damn it, I don't want to be bogged down with chasing around barbarians! I have an empire to build! :lol:

[conmcb25]

To akkula a few hours ago.

Keep the barbs in Egypt ;)

[snoopy369]

Huh? I thought wittlich was the Mycenaens... or am i confused? :)

[Wittlich]

Yes, I am the Mycenaens and no, you're not confused Snoopy, con is. :lol:

[snoopy369]

lol wittlich looks like YOU got the four horsemen of the apocalypse ... or the four four horsemen of the apocalypse ... :D

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Wittlich
Yes, I am the Mycenaens and no, you're not confused Snoopy, con is. :lol:

Egypt, Greece its all the same thing to me, waaaaaaaaay out west :eek:

[Rhothaerill]

2190bc to Beta

[Beta]

to snoop

[snoopy369]

paddified ...

[Paddy]

2160 to Lord Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2160BC Turn sent to Con.

[akulla]

Looks like I am in for a fight!! I laugh at the donkies the Hit's are sending. Its funny how the 3 of you gang up on me, and you blame me for being the agressor.

My thx again to my secret allies for the intell, I will let you know when the time is right.

Render onto Ceasar,...

[conmcb25]

2160 to akkula

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by akulla
Looks like I am in for a fight!! I laugh at the donkies the Hit's are sending. Its funny how the 3 of you gang up on me, and you blame me for being the agressor.


The noble Hittites have come to the aid of the Sumerians in defending themselves from invasion. "Agressor" to me means the one who initiates combat -- which is agreed are the Medeans. :nono: We appreciate the further aid of the Babylonians, who will undoubtedly prove helpful in punishing the wicked Medeans and their "secret" allies, who we think are perhaps not as secret as they think. :evilgrin:

In reference to our scouting cavalry brigades, we sincerely hope that you believe the Hittite strength is limited to this in size. :evilgrin: That will make the blow all the more deadly when it lands ... Or perhaps your "secret" allies are not as well informed, or as loyal, as you think? :hmmm:

Originally posted by akulla
My thx again to my secret allies for the intell, I will let you know when the time is right.

Render onto Ceasar,...

And rendering unto Caesar what is his, is what we do now. The SumeriBabyloniHittite Unified Alliance (or SBHU Alliance, as I like to call us) post notice that we will counter agression with agression, destruction with destruction, and peace with peace and harmony. Those that wish peace, shall not be threatened or attacked. :) Nations that wish to incur our wrath ... Bring it On!:evil:

[akulla]

Snoopy, fighting talks, bullshit walks. I am waiting.

[snoopy369]

Will Do. :naughty:

Originally posted by akulla
Snoopy, fighting talks, bullshit walks. I am waiting.

[Rhothaerill]

2160bc to Beta

[Wittlich]

:b: I see the trash talking is coming along nicely.... :lol:

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Wittlich
:b: I see the trash talking is coming along nicely.... :lol:

Blast! You've seen through my plan ... Now I must formulate a REAL offensive. :idiot: Please don't tell Akulla ... :cute:

Beta, we have a real offensive, right? :hmmm:

:D

[Beta]

Save to snoopy.

Akulla - I regret to inform you that the Sumerian Senate has rejected your peace offering. This is not a matter of aggressor and agressee (??), but you broke the ice - which is very rare in these parts. Time for war.

[Wittlich]

Why did I have the feeling that would be Beta's eventual reply? Well Akulla, it looks like you woke a sleeping lion (or dog if you will)! :lol:

[snoopy369]

At the moment it's a sleeping TIGER AND dog. :D

On to Paddimus Maximus.

[Wittlich]

2130BC Turn sent to Con.

[akulla]

All quiet on the Western front.

[akulla]

By the way, I am wondering if anyone would be interested in playing the Rise of Rome Scenario. Seems like most in this game are reliable players, also where would I post to advertise this?

Akulla

[conmcb25]

We just started one.

I might be able to do one more.

Persia first, then Greece.

[Beta]

Originally posted by snoopy369
At the moment it's a sleeping TIGER AND dog. :D

On to Paddimus Maximus.

Actually - it is a Snow Leopard. Beautiful creature, but like many of its kin, the species is threatened. :(

[conmcb25]

Originally posted by Beta


Actually - it is a Snow Leopard. Beautiful creature, but like many of its kin, the species is threatened. :(

I still like the Lab puppy best.

Labs are just such great dogs. Mine is a gem.

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by conmcb25
We just started one.

I might be able to do one more.

Persia first, then Greece.


Ok. I'm confused. What do you mean by "Persia first, then Greece" Con? :confused: I'm guessing that there is a connection here, but I guess I need it in layman's terms. :lol:

[conmcb25]

God you Army guys are DENSE!

I have always said the Army is truely a lower form of life :lol:

I was saying that if you do initiate another Rise of Rome (Paddy, I, Beta, and Rhoth just started one), I would consider playing first Persia and then Greece in that order.

Next time Ill try and type up something the size of an average FM so you will get the picture Witt :lol:

[Wittlich]

Hoo-Rah! :lol:

But getting back to the subject at hand, I too would be interested in joining a Rise of Rome game since I have not, as of yet, played it. :D

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by conmcb25
Next time Ill try and type up something the size of an average FM so you will get the picture Witt :lol:

Please do. :cute:

[snoopy369]

Hrm. I love Roman times, and would love to play persia, greece, carthage, or rome, in that order. (Well, i don't really care much about the order. Whatever.) I'm somewhat of a Persia fan because of the great series "Belisarius" by Eric Flint and David Drake, which features something close to the fall of rome. I'd also love to play "Fall of Rome" if anyone's interested, or ... Middle Ages, with myself as Byzantium or one of the Arab powers (we'd have to have AI in that)...

[snoopy369]

So it sounds like you me con and wittlich, Akulla? :) If you start the thread and send ... hmm, me the save, we can get going ^^

It should be you-me-wittlich-con, from the Meso turn order that seems to work well ... or you-me-con-wittlich, since i send other turns to con and he seems to play them quickly. :)

Con btw did you play the meso save? You posted several times but i didn't see a mention of "Save to roth" or whomever you send to ^^

[conmcb25]

Nah not yet on the saves.

Im having a hell of a time at work, the plan is to catch up on all PBEM's yet this evening.

Make me Persia and build the turn order around that, or make me Persia and you guys be whomever you want to be :lol:

Ill do Greece as well if that makes sense from a turn order standpoint.

Ill work on the FM for ya next time Witt ;)

What rank did you retire at BTW if you dont mind me asking. Im a zero btw (ya I know in more ways than one :lol: )

[conmcb25]

Rome should start us out as they are first in the turn order.

Its the Human Civs first then the three AI's.

[conmcb25]

Whoops its mixed up here is the proper order:

Strike order:

Rome-
Egypt-AI recommended
Macedon (greece)-
Goth-AI recommended
Scythians-AI recommended
Persia-
Celts--AI recommended
Carthage-

[snoopy369]

How about a turn order of
akulla - me - con - wittlich
which would mean:
akulla-rome
me-greece
con-persia
wittlich-carthage

Witt/Akulla - your thoughts? Did either of you have your heart set on a particular civ?

[conmcb25]

I can live with that

2130 to akkula

[Rhothaerill]

Happy Rise of Rome-ing guys. I'm glad you were able to get it together. I confess I wasn't particularly interested in starting a second one so soon after The Grapes of Rhoth started.

[conmcb25]

We will have to compare notes someday Rhoth ;)

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by conmcb25
We will have to compare notes someday Rhoth ;)

Don't let Macedon push you around. ;)

[conmcb25]

No problem, Snoop Dog is a push over :lol:

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by conmcb25
No problem, Snoop Dog is a push over :lol:

Right ... :D

[akulla]

Originally posted by snoopy369
How about a turn order of
akulla - me - con - wittlich
which would mean:
akulla-rome
me-greece
con-persia
wittlich-carthage

Witt/Akulla - your thoughts? Did either of you have your heart set on a particular civ?

This is find with me, if Wittlich is cool with it. I have started a new thread for this here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=121545

[akulla]

Turn sent.

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by conmcb25
What rank did you retire at BTW if you dont mind me asking. Im a zero btw (ya I know in more ways than one :lol: )

I retired as a SFC / E-7.

The turn order/civ choices look fine to me.

[Rhothaerill]

2130bc to Beta

[conmcb25]

Beta is holding up all his games this morning.

He must be taking this he is Lazy and sucks thing pretty seriously

[Beta]

:lol:

To the snoopdog.

[snoopy369]

It'll be me holding things up now :( I can't seem to download my e-mail :( I'll tell you if it gets better, but i'm not sure if it's a Yahoo! thing or on my end ...

[conmcb25]

Beta is Snoop Dog continues to have this issue can you just upload the file here please.

I realize you are lazy and you suck but please just try REAL HARD for us this time. Thanks ;)

[snoopy369]

I'm ok now. More or less. I think the email part is fixed, but the DSL is acting oddly.

Anyways sent to paddy. Mini combat report sent to akulla.

[Paddy]

2100bc to Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2100BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

2100bc to akkula

[akulla]

Turn sent.

[Rhothaerill]

2100bc to Beta

[Beta]

To snoopy.

[snoopy369]

on to paddy

[Paddy]

2070 to Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2070BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

Same year->akkula

[Rhothaerill]

Bonzi...hmm, no that was akulla's cry. Bonsai...nope that's a plant. Hmm...how about...BANZAI!!!!! :D

No hard feelings to the nation that will soon become extinct. :)

2070bc to Beta

[snoopy369]

So I want to know if my idea as to who the secret ally is was correct.

Anyone going to help poor akulla out?? :D

[Beta]

Save to snoopy.

[akulla]

Ya, it will take three of ya to do it.

[snoopy369]

We didn't want you to feel bad about being taken out by Beta alone. Figured you could feel better about three of us ganging up on you :p

[snoopy369]

oops, forgot to mention that i sent it to paddy ;)

[Paddy]

2040bc to Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2040BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

Off to Akkula last night 2040bc

[akulla]

Turn sent.

Don't fear the darkness. Fear what it hides." -Remin venerable monk

[Rhothaerill]

2040bc to Beta

[Paddy]

Originally posted by akulla
Turn sent.

Don't fear the darkness. Fear what it hides." -Remin venerable monk


awww shucks

darkness is the best time for bartenders :D

[Beta]

akulla ...:b:

Save to snoopy.

[Rhothaerill]

Ahem!!! I want to get on with my conquest!!! Pass the save!!! :doitnow!:

:D

[snoopy369]

um, oops ... :cute:

Turn sent. :)

[Paddy]

Originally posted by Rhothaerill
Ahem!!! I want to get on with my conquest!!! Pass the save!!! :doitnow!:

:D

stabbed in the side

onto Wittlich

[Wittlich]

2010BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

2010 to akkula

[akulla]

Turn sent.

[Rhothaerill]

2010bc to Beta

[Beta]

And to snoopy.

[snoopy369]

1980 is forwarded to the beleagured padmeister.

[Paddy]

tis looking sad

them be battering my humble lads indeed

1980 to Wittlich

[Wittlich]

1980BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

1980 to akkula.

Beta I agreed to a ROP but all those units you are sending north thru my territory is unnerving.

Please complete your movement soon! :(

[snoopy369]

What, con, you worried about a few units in your territory???

:p Tis all good, friend con. Beta is a true ally. :)

[conmcb25]

It doesn't matter how true of an ally he is.

He is liberal and Canadian.

Need I say anymore ;)

[Wittlich]

So what Con and Snoopy are saying is that is that Beta is a true friend with liberal ideas, who was brought-up by a pack of wolves (ad lib the Canadian affiliation) --- but I must add that wolves have strong family ties..........so, Con, have you tried dancing with the wolven pack in order to be accepted? :naughty:

[conmcb25]

Now what a minute Witt, Im the brother that was raised by wolves not Beta.

We got seperated at birth and I was raised by wolves, so at least I have an excuse. Im not sure what Beta's is ;)

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by conmcb25
Now what a minute Witt, Im the brother that was raised by wolves not Beta.

We got seperated at birth and I was raised by wolves, so at least I have an excuse. Im not sure what Beta's is ;)

Odd siblings. :cute:

[conmcb25]

Yes whether you look at us individually or as a group, either way you shuffle the deck it is indeed "odd" ;)

[Wittlich]

:lol:

[Rhothaerill]

The nation of Phoenicia does now formally protest the evil machinations of the cowardly Hittites. The Hittites have several iron resources within their boundaries, but instead of using them, they are making a play for my iron resource that has been in Phoenician lands for generations. This cannot be swallowed.

I gave the wicked Hittite leader an ultimatum 30 years ago to avoid settling near Phoenician lands, but instead this criminal 'leader' only adds to his crimes by increasing his forces.

Therefore we are at WAR!!!! :doitnow!:

The nation of Phoenicia does now formally request all other nations friendly to us to make war with the vile Hittites. We also must apologize to our brethren of Babylon and Sumeria. Our alliance against the Medeans, thought to include the likes of the Hittites, must now suffer the loss of not one but two of its members as the revolting Hittites must be exterminated from the environs surrounding my land.

To the malicious leader of the Hittites, I not only throw my gauntlet down, I throw it in your face!!!

[Rhothaerill]

A look at the EVIL ONE's machinations close to my border.

[Rhothaerill]

No hard feelings Snoop, but that betrayal deserved an appropriate response. :lol:


Oh, and 1980bc to Beta of Sumeria, friend of Phoenicia

[Beta]

Originally posted by Rhothaerill


Odd siblings. :cute:

Tell me about it. :(

[snoopy369]

The Hittites remind the Phoenicians that there were Phoenician troops on our mutual border before there were Hittite troops, and that combined with the apparent Phoenician ploy to conquer the allegedly neutral nation of Egypt has forced the Hittites to reinforce our border.

We have not taken the iron deposit (yet), and heeded the Phoenician request to not settle on that square (yet). However, after this turn of events, make no mistake that the Mighty Hittite Army will not be stopped from protecting what is rightfully ours; and we respectfully remind the Phoenicians which nation is larger.

Should they choose to rethink the mistake they have made, they may feel free to let us know, and the Hittites will take it into due consideration.

[akulla]

Its nice not to be the one trapped between a rock and a hard place.

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by snoopy369
The Hittites remind the Phoenicians that there were Phoenician troops on our mutual border before there were Hittite troops, and that combined with the apparent Phoenician ploy to conquer the allegedly neutral nation of Egypt has forced the Hittites to reinforce our border.

The Phoenicians remind the Hittites that WAS NO MUTUAL BORDER. Take a look at the screenshot. You see no Hittite cities anywhere close to my land. My troops were merely protecting the iron hill IN MY OWN LAND. The Hittite troop build up...along with a settler...on the tile directly next to my iron instead of on the road north of it was a direct threat to my iron and everyone knows it.

The Hittites have no moral high ground here, any more than the Medeans have for ambushing the Sumerians, or my own forces for annihilating the Egyptians. :D

the Mighty Hittite Army will not be stopped from protecting what is rightfully ours; and we respectfully remind the Phoenicians which nation is larger.

Mighty Hittite Army? :lol:

May I remind the Hittites which country has the mighty army comprised of multiple companion infantry, and which country does not even possess iron.

Should they choose to rethink the mistake they have made, they may feel free to let us know, and the Hittites will take it into due consideration.

Don't worry...it's on! :lol:

[conmcb25]

What the hell is going on here? Was there an alliance between Medea and The Phoenicians?

If so why didn't the Phoenicians assist the medeans in the latest war?

And Phoenicia his units aren't in your territory so why did you declare war????????

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by conmcb25
What the hell is going on here? Was there an alliance between Medea and The Phoenicians?

If so why didn't the Phoenicians assist the medeans in the latest war?

And Phoenicia his units aren't in your territory so why did you declare war????????

No, my alliance with Sumeria and Babylon was sound. I was even in the process of sending units to the Medean front per our alliance parameters.

I declared war as his buildup of units and a settler on my border with the sole intention of stealing my iron deposits was a clear threat to Phoenician National Security.

Let me ask this? If I showed up on your doorstep with 20+ companion infantry, wouldn't you take it as a sign of aggression? ;) Egypt can you comment? :cute:

[Wittlich]

:relief: Wittlich is glad that his empire is located in the corner of the known world instead of being in the center! :lol:

[conmcb25]

OK Rhoth, I just wanted your position on this issue.

Now for Beta, just what the heck are all those units doing moving north thru my area?

And Rhoth since you struck the first blow do you consider our three way alliance activated?????

I agree it was a possible threat but you still appear to be the aggressor here. The situation isn't exactly cut and dry so to speak..... ;)

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by conmcb25
OK Rhoth, I just wanted your position on this issue.

Now for Beta, just what the heck are all those units doing moving north thru my area?

And Rhoth since you struck the first blow do you consider our three way alliance activated?????

I agree it was a possible threat but you still appear to be the aggressor here. The situation isn't exactly cut and dry so to speak..... ;)

No I don't consider our three way alliance activated enough for you or Beta to send troops against snoopy as I'm nominally the aggressor (though in truth, snoopy started this war with his build-up of troops on my border). Though I do call on the defensive portion of our agreement in that you do not ally with snoopy or Paddy against me. :)

However, if you want to send troops against snoopy to engender my goodwill, be my guest. :cute:

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by Wittlich
:relief: Wittlich is glad that his empire is located in the corner of the known world instead of being in the center! :lol:

:relief: Rhoth is glad his empire is in the center of the known world. It's more fun that way since now I'm in the thick of things. :)

I'm having a lot of fun with this game, almost as much as I am in AU601, the one-on-one PBEM I'm playing with Beta, where I'm invading him (after he effectively blocked me for a few turns :D).

[Wittlich]

:hmmm: Point taken Rhoth. :lol:

[snoopy369]

The Hittites remind the Phoenicians that there were indeed some few Phoenician troops north of that border, within about 3 or 4 squares of a Hittite city. The combination of that fact and the sneak attack against the Egyptians made the Hittite nation mighty wary.

The mighty Hittite army indeed. Although we do not at the moment possess iron, that is not due to a lack of resources (as any Phoenician spy worth his weight in worthless phoenician lead ought to be able to tell his masters) but due to ... strategy.

Perhaps the Phoenicians should study with the masters that the Hittites have studied with. Krillus Septimus, for example. His tournament play has been called outstanding, and taught this humble student a thing or two about resource management during a fill-in round.

Not to mention the Vox, whose strategy at times in a certain Demo game has been considered to contain some of the best play-from-behind tactics ever invented.

;)

[snoopy369]

BTW, where is the save? I see it being sent to beta on the 21st, and then he posted an hour later, but no save in my inbox ...

Twentyfour hours without my Meso fix is too LONG ... :D

[snoopy369]

So, I think i'd like to actually start a meso game from the beginning, now that this one is wrapping up. One that's fun, like this one, with not too many rules. (Con, you interested? :D )

To that effect, i've started a shiny new thread, which you can go to here:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122658

[conmcb25]

Beta has some RL issues with work but he promised to get caught up starting tonight.

I already picked the Sumerians.

What we should do is keep the same play order and pick our Civs around that unless someone has a good idea to improve the order.

[snoopy369]

ah gotcha no problem.

I'm figuring some new people and some old people, but probably mostly the old people just because you all know it's so much fun. :) But, if some new people AND all of the old people want to play, we can always do two games. :)

[conmcb25]

Being a white zenophobic conservative Ill stick with the old folks game.

New things irritate me greatly ;)

Plus we got our share of old farts in this one. I like hanging out with my contemporaries :lol:

[snoopy369]

By "new" i mean folks not in the current game. Soltz, jshelr, people like that. :)

Though i'm not a xenophobe (albeit conservative and white i am) so i don't care much who joins. :) But if all of us want to do it again together i'm up for that as i said. :)

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by snoopy369
The Hittites remind the Phoenicians that there were indeed some few Phoenician troops north of that border, within about 3 or 4 squares of a Hittite city. The combination of that fact and the sneak attack against the Egyptians made the Hittite nation mighty wary.

The mighty Hittite army indeed. Although we do not at the moment possess iron, that is not due to a lack of resources (as any Phoenician spy worth his weight in worthless phoenician lead ought to be able to tell his masters) but due to ... strategy.

Perhaps the Phoenicians should study with the masters that the Hittites have studied with. Krillus Septimus, for example. His tournament play has been called outstanding, and taught this humble student a thing or two about resource management during a fill-in round.

Not to mention the Vox, whose strategy at times in a certain Demo game has been considered to contain some of the best play-from-behind tactics ever invented.

;)

The Phoenicians must remind the Hittites that he had mentioned to the Hittite leader that those units were originally earmarked for the defensive alliance against Medea...intended to help the Hittites even...and were travelling that way before being pulled back to defend against the treachery of the Hittites.

The leader of the Phoenicians has studied with the best, such as the great Theseus Podosimus, and indeed has learned the secrets not only of resource management, but the higher, little-known secrets of game management. ;)

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Rhothaerill


The Phoenicians must remind the Hittites that he had mentioned to the Hittite leader that those units were originally earmarked for the defensive alliance against Medea...intended to help the Hittites even...and were travelling that way before being pulled back to defend against the treachery of the Hittites.

The Hittites remind the Phoenicians that they did not initiate this attack, nor did they found a city at that location, so there was no 'treachery' that you speak of. The Hittites simply ... prepared. It was the Phoenician sneak attack against Egypt that ... concerned us, that perhaps defenses needed to be placed between us and our volatile neighbor to the south.


The leader of the Phoenicians has studied with the best, such as the great Theseus Podosimus, and indeed has learned the secrets not only of resource management, but the higher, little-known secrets of game management. ;)

Ahhh. The great Theseus Podosimus is know to us, and is a fellow bandito (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?threadid=122066&goto=newpost) during which we hope to learn much. However, the strategies of Krillus and Vox are clearly superior to that of Theseus Podosimus in this situation, as the combination of monetary values and scientific and strategic developments clearly point to these strategies.

[Beta]

:lol:

Everything I know about civ I learned from my cats.

Hail to Simon the Black Prince, King Oliver I, and little Princess Annie, mighty warriors one and all.

(one of them is so famous in the civ world, she is actually someone's avatar - check out BigFurryMonster)

Gentlemen - my humble apologies for the delay. RL has indeed been busy, and I had to prioritize some games. This one is a high priority - but a turn takes more than 5 minutes to play. :D But I am now free to play civ for the next 4 days. :b:

Save to snoopy.

ps - I am in the new game, but as with con, with the old farts. Although I know jshelr is a very reliable player.

[conmcb25]

jshelr is essentially and old fart isn't he :cute:

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by snoopy369
The Hittites simply ... prepared. It was the Phoenician sneak attack against Egypt that ... concerned us, that perhaps defenses needed to be placed between us and our volatile neighbor to the south.

Well I won't argue with that. :)

However, the strategies of Krillus and Vox are clearly superior to that of Theseus Podosimus in this situation, as the combination of monetary values and scientific and strategic developments clearly point to these strategies.

We shall see how it all plays out and who is left standing as the winner when the game ends. ;)

[snoopy369]

Yup. :)

Sent. Combat report will be left out, because it was that depressing for me.




























I gave up after 2 vet horsemen from the north died w/o a single hitpoint lost from a companion infantry. Blah.

[snoopy369]

Oh, and my new five-year-old calico, Maggie, says Hi to your three wonderful 'children', Beta. :)

[Rhothaerill]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Yup. :)

Sent. Combat report will be left out, because it was that depressing for me.

I gave up after 2 vet horsemen from the north died w/o a single hitpoint lost from a companion infantry. Blah.

:D Bummer...for you that is, not for me. What was that about superior army there snoop. ;)

[Beta]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Oh, and my new five-year-old calico, Maggie, says Hi to your three wonderful 'children', Beta. :)

Meow back to Maggie. :)

But one of them almost got dis-owned last night. We were at the vets for the annual check up and shots. Usually goes OK, and we are in the room when the vet is doing the check-up. Simon went first - no problem. Oliver is usually a bit stubborn and problemetic, but last night he freaked completely. Eleanor got scratched pretty badly on her had, and I got bitten twice - pretty deeply, on my hand.

There was blood everywhere, Olly was very stressed, and the vet was appealing for calm from all. We let Olly get under a chair, calmed him down, into the carrier, and the hospital handlers finished the check-up.

Many band-aids and much wine later - Olly's parents have recovered.

:) Well, maybe not quite. Need more wine. Nice 2000 Rubesco un-corked for tonight. :b:

[snoopy369]

Originally posted by Rhothaerill


:D Bummer...for you that is, not for me. What was that about superior army there snoop. ;)

Nah, you just have a superior RNG. My army is cooler. :)

[Wittlich]

:hmmm:

*BUMP* Anyone out there?

[conmcb25]

I am but not for long. (More about that later)

[snoopy369]

Save is with Paddy, i imagine, who's probably totally drunk on vacation right about now ... :)

[Wittlich]

Originally posted by snoopy369
Save is with Paddy, i imagine, who's probably totally drunk on vacation right about now ... :)

:hmmm: I thought he was due back....does anyone know when he's supposed to make his grand reappearance?

[conmcb25]

From the absence thread:

Originally posted by BigFree
He said a week starting on the 23rd, but he also said he would chek in once a day as well. but, that has not happened. We will just wait for him to return. :)

[snoopy369]

That would be today, australian time, right? :)

[Wittlich]

That's what I'm thinking Snoopy. :hmmm:

[Paddy]

sorry for the delays :) the spice will flow

to Wittlich

the spice will flow

[snoopy369]

:p

Check out the other meso game paddy, we were thinking you'd be the seventh ... :) I forget where the thread is, but i can dig it up if you need to (I started it if that helps)

[snoopy369]

Or you can just look up to the top of page 8 :)

[Wittlich]

And the games move forward... :lol:

1950BC Turn sent to Con.

[conmcb25]

Ill be posting here until further notice.

Send some spice my way ;)

[Wittlich]

Con, you might want to PM Paddy to let him know that his save is attached. I just stummbled across the save you left for me in the XXE/Rise of Rome PBEM....so with attachments, a PM would be nice. ;)

[conmcb25]

Ill try BUT the main reason Im just attaching right now is a lack of internet time.

So I would ask that if someone does not see it make sure they get a reminder because I may not be able to do it.

[Paddy]

Originally posted by conmcb25
Ill be posting here until further notice.

Send some spice my way ;)


thanks Con - enjoy ;)

now is it not Akulla that goes after Con in this game :hmmm:

I sent Akulla a link so if it is him he knows the save is ojn the thread here - well ok a page back :)

[akulla]

Originally posted by conmcb25
Ill be posting here until further notice.

Send some spice my way ;)

I will be playing this soon.

[akulla]

Turn Sent.

[Rhothaerill]

1950bc to Beta. :)

Snoop, ye may take me ah-urn from me, but you'll never take me freedom!

;)

Oh...and you'll never use the iron you took from me either.

[snoopy369]

Use the iron? Use it? Bah, you think the Hittites care about your puny Iron? The Hittites are the masters of Iron, in fact the Original Iron Chef hails from the Hittite lands. We have more iron than you could ever DREAM of having.

:D

[Rhothaerill]

Well yeah...they do. Now they'll actually have to work to hook up one of the ones in their own land instead of cowardly stealing one of the Phoenician iron resources.

I don't even WANT to know what raw iron tastes like by the way. So you can keep your iron chef in your own land. :cute:

[snoopy369]

The Hittites have preferred up to this point to handicap themselves by only building weaker units. The unfortunate matter with the large bronze statue and whatnot have forced us to rethink our position, and consider developing our own iron mines, of which we have several. We are not lacking in the resource, only in the desire to abuse that which the Gods have so graciously given unto us.

[Paddy]

not quite sure what ya're awl on about

my people have been eating phoenician iron for several years

and it is not a diet that my healers recomend at all :(