Coming soon...

[Stefan Härtel]

After more than a year's wait, I am about to begin construction on a new historical scenario for Civ2...

http://www.alexanderthegreat.de/civ2/running.gif

(title picture is temporary-as is, most likely, the title itself)

Construction will begin in about two to four weeks time (after my final exams).

Please post your expectation about and suggestions for this scenario here. As voted for, this scenario will deal with the Fall of Rome. I have a lot of ideas about the basic concept of this scenario, but won't post them just yet.

Until then... up the irons!

[Stefan Härtel]

Does anybody see the picture? For some reason, I don't.

[our_man]

No, I can't see it either Stefan.

[Stefan Härtel]

Now it's there :)

[Cyrion]

Now that's something I'm looking forward to, Hallowed be Thy Name, Stefan! :D

Originally posted by Stefan Härtel
Please post your expectation about and suggestions for this scenario here. As voted for, this scenario will deal with the Fall of Rome. I have a lot of ideas about the basic concept of this scenario, but won't post them just yet.

Until then... up the irons!

Well, you asked for it... I expect this scen to keep his title, and above all with the same font! :D

For more constructive remarks, you'll have to wait, sorry... ;)

But I would really like to stop Attila with Aetius on the "Champs Catalauniques" (no idea how to call it in english, and too lazy to look for the latin version...).

I imagine something heavily event driven, with hordes from different tribes appearing suddenly on the border and razing the country... :evilgrin:

Of course, to make the best use of events, you would then need to make it playable only from 1 side! I would then prefer Rome, and then you could try to bribe the different tribes, whose loyalty would last for only a short time (a thing the AI is really good at;))

I'll think about it some more and come back when I've had a few more Revelations (which might be after a few beers, usually around 23h58...)!

[Stefan Härtel]

Now that's a lot of puns :D

I'll think about it some more and come back when I've had a few more Revelations (which might be after a few beers, usually around 23h58...)!

I'll see after that at that time... after the equal amount of beers ;)

[Gagliaudo]

Hi guys

@Cyrion:
I'd like to face Attila at Campi Catalaunici (Catalaunic Fields?:confused: ) too, but...

@StefanH:
What 'fall of Rome' you'll develop?
AD 410, 455 or 476 ?
Or all of the three???
Many protagonist peoples were the same, but many changed (and so the chiefs); I think it will depend on which perspective (chronological but geographical too) you're thinking about.
There are a lot of chances, even cutting off some minor (or that you'll consider minor) people.
MarkLaanen's work is a classic, but (as quite everything;) ) perfectible (almost in the graphics), and I'm sure you're thinking to anything very original, as the civers (like me) are used to expect from you :D :) :b:
BTW: between my (uncountable) scenario project (which never saw the light:( :lol: ) there were a lot of ideas about the period of the end of Roman Empire.
I'll be happy to see something 'touchable' on that period.... :D

Good Luck for exams (meanwhile) :b:

[Exile]

Catalaunian Fields

[curtsibling]

@Stefan Härtel:

A fall of Rome scenario - Good to see you are going Where Eagles Dare!

:D

[Gagliaudo]

@curt:
Hey, that's a good idea, I'll reveal another (uff!) of the uncountable (and not-done:( ) projects of mine... inspired by the movie "Where Eagles Dare"... An alternative scenario, don't you think? :D
Well, I'll give you this idea 'gratis' (free) :D :D :D

@exile: thanks for the 'Fields'.

@stefan: who'll catch the "Urbs Aeterna"???
Alaric? Genseric (Gaiseric)? Attila? Odvokar? :evilgrin:

[yaroslav]

What I expect this scen to be

1) Very difficult
2) With lots of problems, and in fact, a sense of "decadence". Decadence is very difficult to simulate in civ, but I'd suggest you to put a lot of palaces in many cities and put them very expensive to mantain. Also, make no palace buildable. This will take a lot of money from player's hand making buildings being sold from time to time, so the cities will get worse with turns cumulating... That can be very interesting and make a feel of decadence.
3) I know I'm too pedantic, but I'd like many remarks in the scen about how Western Empire fell but not the Eastern Empire (Byzantium)
4) Maybe you could separate the Empire in two parts? Make the Easter Empire a cold ally than doesn't go in war against you but doesn't help you either.

Well, these are my firsts ideas. You now where you can locate me for testing :D

[GePap]

Civ choices are always hard:

I agree a western and Eastern Empire. And you need Huns. You also need the Persians of at the East really. That leaves 3 civs. Ostrogoths and Visigoths works then. Then there are also perhaps General germanic tribes.... would the barbs be the Vandals?

[POTUS]

I'd not put palaces everywhere, because the locals often supported the Barbarians if the Barbarians would help them (pay them).

[Cyrion]

Originally posted by Exile
Catalaunian Fields

Short post, but precise answer! Thanks Exile :D

[Stefan Härtel]

I'll tell you what I have in mind.

A couple of years ago, I wanted to make a scenario about the decay of Rome triggered by the civil war after Commodus' death.
I'm beyond that now, and I thought of something else.

First of all, let me state that the Fall of Rome is an incredibly complex thing. Quite a few scenarios have been made about it, and the classic setting is as follows:
Two Roman civs (East and West Rome) are struggling for survival against a number of other tribes, the tribes always varying, but usually being something like Goths-Vandals-Franks-Persians-Huns. It's very much about empire-building or empire-keeping.
This model is always a bit flawed, because you'll have to regard many things and disregard many things to keep the scenario playable. I have therefore decided that it's not possible to depict the Fall of Rome in it's entirety.
I have decided to do it from the perspective of the Huns. Why the Huns? Because they will make the most interesting game, I think.
The basic concept will be something like this:
The Hun player (only the Hun civ will be playable) starts out with a number of medicore and strong units nothing more. Like the historical Huns, he will have to set up a base by conquest. Modern-day Hungary would, of course, be the best choice.
Maybe he will have a few buildable units, but they should not be strong (siege engines and slaves would be the most realistic thing).
He then has free choiceas of what to attack next: Go straight to Rome, attack the provinces, as in reality, or try and attack East Rome (which will be very difficult).
Everything will be in the scenario: Merciless plundering and destruction of the cities in Gaul, the negotiations with the Pope (optional, though), Attila killing his brother Bleda, the fall of the Burgundians and the origin of the legend of the Nibelungs...
The player will, of course, also be able to alter history by taking Rome or successfully attacking Constantinople.

The player is free to choose his difficulty level. If he does what the Huns did historically, the game will be rather easy at the start, but will become difficult later on.
If he decides to attack East Rome, the game will be very hard.
If he tries to conquer everything, the game will almost be impossible to win.

I hope nobody is disappointed with my decision of backing away from the 'traditional' Fall of Rome model.

Good Luck for exams (meanwhile) :b:

Thanks-I'll need it!

[Gagliaudo]

I'll wait with curiosity the development of your project, I was sure your objective was an original work, so ... up the irons!
Btw, I hope in future you'll give a chance to play Romans or other tribes in your scenario: to conquest the empire OR to defend it quite hopelessy from the barbarian, almost to make his fall come later... Play as Attila will be good, but I think Aetius won't be so bad...:D ;)
Bye!

[curtsibling]

Upon hearing that civ line-up, this scenario sounds exciting! :)

Playing as one side of the West/East empire and helping each faction survive will be great!

A real Dance of Death, to be sure! (pun intended!)

[Arthedain]

I like the idea (playing as the Huns). :D Not like the other "Fall of Rome" scenarios.

[Stefan Härtel]

Allrighty then... here's the first draft of civs:

Huns
West Romans
East Romans
Ostrogoths
Alans
Germans (Gepids, Visigoths etc)
Burgundians

All others would be Barbarians. The Huns will be the only playable civ.

Comments?

[jasev]

I'm glad you finally accepted my idea of creating a "fall of Rome" scenario (yes, it was mine :eager: ;)). I'll be expecting it becaus i'm sure it will be fantastic.

[Hendrik the Great]

I really like the idea of playing on the side of the Huns Stefan! If you need some playtesting or advise feel free to ask me. Unfortunately I don't have any useful ideas right now however, your SCN sure sounds like an interesting project! :)

BTW, do you already have a map?

[Stefan Härtel]

Civ choices posted above.

Hendrik, I'll come back to yor offer :)

As for the map, I don't have one yet. I'll post my ideas later on.

[Stefan Härtel]

Scream for me Aquincum...

[Cyrion]

Originally posted by Stefan Härtel
Scream for me Aquincum...

:lol: :lol:

How far are you??

[Gagliaudo]

@Stefan:
first impact: sounds great! :b:

[Stefan Härtel]

I'm not very far yet, and I unfortunately don't have as much time as I hoped, because I failed my maths exam. I'll have to prepare for orals in maths now, but I've got ~4 weeks for that.
Officially, of course, I don't know that yet, but I know...

Still, I have shiploads of time, because there's nothing else to prepare for (I hope :scared: ).

[Gagliaudo]

@Stefan:
Well, sorry for maths... up the irons!

[Valuk]

Great, finally something that ISN'T about WW2!
Will the scenario end in 453 A.D., or will the hunnic player be given the option to win at Nedao river and save his empire?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to the scenario, can't wait to make the Romans Run for the Hills.

[ComradeCommisar]

Mmm beating Aetius at the Catalaunian fields would be a challenge methinks :)

I like the idea of this scenario, keep up the good work :b:

[Stefan Härtel]

Alright people, I'll be honest.
I haven't had time to work on this scenario during the last month. As I said earlier, I first failed my maths exams, so I had to go into orals. What added up to it was that, a day before I officially got the grades (last Sunday), I had also failed the written Biology and Chemics exams. It's a very difficult thing to explain, but I'll try.
My school is a private school. The government of Bavaria, the territory I live in, has a discriminatory policy towards private schools. While the official system is that you get your final gradess during the course of the last two years, and then do written and oral exams which will be added to these marks (four subjects, BTW), in private schools it's like this: The only marks you get are from the written exams. You write one test in each of eight (in my case even nine) subjects. There are fifteen points, you may not go below one point (point is equal to "mark" or "grade"). There are three blocks, the upper two (in my case three) subjects, two further subjects and four lower subjects. In the first block, you need to get a total of 120 points (the marks are multiplied by 12), added to the next two subjects, they had to be 200. Combined with the lowest four, it had to be a total of 280 points, while you had to reach 80 points in the lowest block and must not have more than two marks below five points.
Now what happened was that my total was 369 points, i.e. much more than enough. I had 308 in the upper two blocks, but had 0 points in maths, which was among these subjects, so I already failed. It is possible to give it a second try in oral exams, and that was what I prepared for.
Later, I was informed that I had only 71 points in the lowest block, and only one subject above 5 points. So, I had to go in orals in both Chemics or Biology. I couldn't go in the two lowest subjects, French and Geography.
If I reached 9 points in Biology, I wouldn't have to go in Chemics (a "special" arrangement).
So, yesterday, I went into orals in Biology and got the nine points, and today I went into orals in Maths, and I got two points; I was told this is enough (I always thought I had to reach three points, but it as double- and triple-checked).

Point of this incomprehensible story: I MADE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Or, in puns:
Not a prisoner... I'm a free man!
No more school- No More Lies!

Sorry. Couldn't resist :)

That means that I can now continue work on the scenario.

By the way, check this out: I got 14 points (of 15) in English, the subject with the heaviest weight of all, and 0 in Maths (originally). I got 9 in history and 2 in Chemics.
Can you spot a trend?

[Cyrion]

Originally posted by Stefan Härtel
Point of this incomprehensible story: I MADE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Congratulations :b: Now you're Running Free :D

Though not too bad at math, I must admit I got lost in your explanation nonetheless! Anyway, the conclusion is what matters... ;)


That means that I can now continue work on the scenario.


Now, that is good news! :)

Small question: will Bleda figure in it?

[yaroslav]

Congratulations, Steph!

[Stefan Härtel]

Thanks guys :)

Small question: will Bleda figure in it?

Yes, Bleda will play some sort of role, but I've not totally decided on it yet.
One possibility is making a succession for Hun leader units like in Harlan's Mongols scenario, and writing a special text for Bleda's death, mentioning how Attila killed him etc. Another possibility is including this in the tech tree.

[Boco]

By the way, check this out: I got 14 points (of 15) in English, the subject with the heaviest weight of all, and 0 in Maths (originally). I got 9 in history and 2 in Chemics.
Another Werner Heisenberg? ;) Certainly follows an uncertainty principle to me! :eek:

Many congrats! :unban: :b: :b: :b: So when's the beta going to be ready? :naughty:

[Gagliaudo]

@Stephan:
I really appreciate your English and History :D :b: :b: :b:
I 've recall me to PM you asap ;)

[Leonidas]

Good luck on your scenario.

History and English were always my favourites. . .

Even today, I devour books by the cartload. . .

Cheers!

[Stefan Härtel]

Here's what happened to Bleda... and I still need a map.

[Gagliaudo]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Really funny !!!
I'm trying to PM you a map... hope could go... :)

[fairline]

:D

[Arthedain]

*lol*
Poor poor Bleda.. :cute: :naughty:

[Cyrion]

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Stefan Härtel]

A horde of wild Huns directed... well, nowhere actually. I'm gonna change the terrain, don't worry.

[Stefan Härtel]

Balamir, Rugila, Bleda, Attila and Dengizik. What do these guys have in common? They're all dead :D

[Stefan Härtel]

Leo I, Aetius, a legionaire and Honoria. Now what are they up to? :hmmm:

[Arthedain]

I don't know what they're up to but looks like they're having a smurfing good time. :D

[Gagliaudo]

@StefanHaertel:
They're all waiting Attila: Aetius to win him, the legionarius to fight him, pope Leo I to dissuade him, and Iusta Grata Honoria... to MARRY him !! :lol:
Hey, that's true! I mean HISTORICALLY!!! :D
Hey, Stefan, your work looks W-U-N-D-E-R-B-A-R :b: :b: :b:
What about the map? Found solution? Hope so.
I'm working on translate my old chrono about that period (just in case...)

[Cyrion]

Can't wait for this scen, Stefan! :b: :)

I've always liked to play the "Nomad"... :D

[Stefan Härtel]

Hey guys,

as if you haven't noticed, this project is stalled, as is most other stuff I'm doing. I'm very tied up right now, having a new job in Hamburg and still looking for a place to live in (after more than two months). I will make the (very) optimistic prediction that I might be able to return to work by January. I just wanted to let you know that work on this is not officially stopped.

Rock on

[curtsibling]

We await your return!

Right now you are a 'Powerslave' to your job, and a 'Stranger in a strange land'!

But in time, you no doubt will be 'Back in the Village' again!

:b:

[Cyrion]

As long as you make it worth waiting for... ;) (not that I have any doubt about that!)

And remember, even if you sometimes feel like a prisoner at work, you're not a number, you're a free man... :D

[fairline]

Good luck with the new job Stefan :b:

Take your time with this one, it's sure to be another classic :)