Per Sparrowhawk's request: the "7 player PBEM" - game...

[Carolus Rex]

Maybe the discussion (if there's interest) can continue here?

The original thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1482&perpage=30&pagenumber=1

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Just a summary of players, for anyone interested....

Romans
Skryke (Sept 99-Dec 00)
Milo (Jan 01-Mar 01)
Crustacian (Apr 01-Nov 01)
Carolus Rex (Dec 01-present)

Babylonians
Macuser (Sept 99-Jun 03)
La Fayette (Jun 03-present)

French
Zeebo (Sept 99-Dec 00)
DaveV (Jan 01-present)

Egyptians
Makeo (Sept 99-Oct 99)
Eddy (Nov 99-present)

Americans
Kengel (Sept 99-present)

Greeks
Superstar (Sept 99-Sept 00)
Mostly Harmless (Sept 00-present)

Mongols
Monkey (Sept 99-Dec 00)
Sparrowhawk (Jan 01-present)

[Carolus Rex]

Nice summary and fun to see the "succession order"! :b: :)

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Yep, interesting to see who has been around a while, though the list is a little misleading :cute: as it doesn't show subs (for instance MacUser went missing long before June 2003, and was subbed by DaveV for quite a while before La Fayette started as the Babylonians).

I am tempted to post my summary of cities and units from the opening screen as I track it to follow the game progress, but I am not sure that is something everyone would want to share. :hmmm:

[Carolus Rex]

IIRC I subbed for Eddy as the Egyptians for a couple of months while I was also playing as the Romans; La Fayette subbed for me when he was also in charge of the Babylonians...

Yes, it's been quite an "incestous" game! ;)

As for displaying the progress of the game. Do you refer to the screen where all the civs are listed with their number of cities and units? There're no secrets there, it's common information, so what could be the harm?

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

To the servant of the Mongolian hordes,

Yet again a few of your charming ladies have been repatriated. Your complaints about our noble female ambassadors (just visitors searching knowledge) are pale in light of the repeated occurances of your women in our lands. If you cannot even rule your women, how can you rule an empire?

As for our engineers, they work with a peaceful purpose. We have noticed that you cast your greedy eyes towards the Sioux city close to their workplace. We propose the Mongols to do the same amount of work (but to the north/north east of your city) to improve the land there.

What say you, servant of tyranny?

Carolus

[La Fayette]

Carolus,

I got my message back (it seems that your inbox is full):

Could you please post your save HERE ? (I have problems with Outlook Express: can read messages but cannot download attached files)

Green plays after White: that's why the Roman save should be sent to the Babs that I rule.

Post here, please !
Thank you.

[Carolus Rex]

Salut La Fayette,

Bien sûre (avec un "e"?), je vais essayer de le faire toute (avec un "e"?) de suite! Mais comme il ne fait pas mal du temps que j'aie "uploaded" un jeu, on verra bien si j'arriverai ou pas... :)

S'il vous plaît, un peu de silence...

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Ah!

I say, good show old chap (en espérant que ça marchait)! :b: :)

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

... but nobody has downloaded the game... :)

Carolus

[La Fayette]

Sorry,
my computer has been under harsh virus attack and I was without connection during almost a month.
Almost anything seems to be working fine now (once and for all, I hope :) ).

[La Fayette]

Could someone please send me a list of e-mail addresses of the 7 players in this game ?
(I seem to have lost them during my hectic fighting against the virus)

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
Salut La Fayette,

Bien sûre (avec un "e"?), je vais essayer de le faire toute (avec un "e"?) de suite! Mais comme il ne fait pas mal du temps que j'aie "uploaded" un jeu, on verra bien si j'arriverai ou pas... :)

S'il vous plaît, un peu de silence...

Carolus

"Bien sûr je vais essayer de le faire tout de suite. Mais comme cela fait pas mal de temps que j'ai téléchargé un jeu, on verra bien si j'y arriverai ou pas."

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by La Fayette
Could someone please send me a list of e-mail addresses of the 7 players in this game ?
(I seem to have lost them during my hectic fighting against the virus)

I just emailed them to you, hopefully you can access your email!

/me :cool:

[La Fayette]

It worked. Thanks a lot.

[Elephant]

Sorry to hear that, La Fayette; we missed you in No Wonders as well...

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by La Fayette

"Bien sûr je vais essayer de le faire tout de suite. Mais comme cela fait pas mal de temps que j'ai téléchargé un jeu, on verra bien si j'y arriverai ou pas."



Merci! :b: Content que tu sois de nouveau en-ligne (?)... :)

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
To the servant of the Mongolian hordes,

Yet again a few of your charming ladies have been repatriated. Your complaints about our noble female ambassadors (just visitors searching knowledge) are pale in light of the repeated occurances of your women in our lands. If you cannot even rule your women, how can you rule an empire?

As for our engineers, they work with a peaceful purpose. We have noticed that you cast your greedy eyes towards the Sioux city close to their workplace. We propose the Mongols to do the same amount of work (but to the north/north east of your city) to improve the land there.

What say you, servant of tyranny?

Carolus

We have withdrawn not only our ambassadors in your lands, but also we have withdrawn all of our citizens near Roman lands in preparation for war as you have failed to withdraw your Engineers from the land south of Kerman.

Should you again fail to withdrawn them immediately we will have no choice but to remove them forcebly from South Kerman (though we do not wish war with the Romans as our two empires have enjoyed years of peaceful relations).

As for the area north of Kerman, we fully intend to cultivate the land to the North, but our eyes are not on the Roman city of Kabulantium, but on the Mongol city of Kabul.

As for our female ambassadors, they sought a passageway to your allies, the Babylonians, in the hope that we could lean more of these Southern peoples. However your repeated expelling of our ambassadors has made necessary our repeated attempts.

/me leader of the Mongolians who are all hoping that the leader of the Romans seeks peace between our people and will not sacrifice Engineers in order to provoke a war which will serve neither of us :shame:.

[Carolus Rex]

We will have to survey the situation when our turn comes before deciding on this matter.

We cannot understand, however, how working on land that is rightfully ours can be seen as an act of aggression... :confused:

We also note that, although there are no direct acts of violence between our peoples, we belong to different alliances. Furthermore, our allies are fighting each other openly and our "pact" of non-aggression is increasingly strained... Since we cannot risk a stab in the back our engineers are undertaking the above mentioned work for defensive purposes only...

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Has the Roman King noticed that his turn comes right after mine and played yet? :cute:

(my email to you had the gamefile attached)

[Carolus Rex]

Hi!

Yup, I've got it. Work overload, but I'll play it soon (hm, that has a familiar ring to it, has it not? ;)).

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

LOL, good to hear you haven't forgotten us. I just get worried when I was the player before and the turn has not been played as I wonder if the turn was received by the person I sent it to.

[Carolus Rex]

I had everything set up to play them (I'm involved in two PBEMs) yesterday. Except that I had left the game CD at work... :angry: I'll put it in my bag right after this post!

Instead, I started a game against the AI. :b: Large world with lots of water, rendering the map very beautiful (the classic green-blue contrast)... :love:

Three AIs, deity, raging hordes... It's about 180 AD, I have HG, Colossus (both in the capitol), MPE and the Lighthouse. Preparing to change to republic. Fun game (I played until about one in the morning)!

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

After some Five months :eek: since my last turn, the 660 AD save has now been emailed to the leader of the Romans (Carolus).

I am hopeful of getting the next turn before Christmas, but not sure if I am being overly optomistic or not :cute:

/me :crook:

[La Fayette]

The Roman leader has sent his save to Hammurabi who felt really happy:dance:

Here is the Bab save.

[Sparrowhawk]

For anyone watching this thread, the game save file was sent to Carolus some time ago.

I can only assume he received it........has it moved forward to La Fayette / Dave V yet?

/me :expect:

[Carolus Rex]

Hi!

I'm watching this thread... Sorry to report that I haven't forwarded it yet... :(

I'm in the process of moving to a new place, but I will try to play my turn before Christmas...

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Okay, thanks for the update, I knew that La Fayette was away for a while, I thought it might be with him.

Now I know. :b: Busy time of year and this game moves slowly at the best of times. No hurry, Christmas sounds good to me, I was just wondering where it was at.

/me :crook:

[Carolus Rex]

Just struck me that I have to install some kind of software that facilitates diplomatic negotiations...

So it may take a while longer... :(

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
So it may take a while longer... :(


:cute:

:zzz:

BUMP

/me :crook:

[Carolus Rex]

Hi!

Sorry for the delay, but I've just made a fair (a one hour +) try. I downloaded the utility and with my sloooowwww laptop it took forever to run it.

When I arrived at the key window (where I should load a .dat-file) I ran into trouble (don't have one!). Just PM:ed Dave and La Fayette about it.

If I don't have any replies by either one Monday morning, I promise to play my turn without the diplomacy thingie...

Again, apologies.

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

[Big fanfare]Just played my turn![/Big fanfare] ;)

The roman leader is sorry to report that the four riflemen looking for the american president on roman soil have been found dead.

We send our condolences to their families.

Carolus

[La Fayette]

:good:
Hammurabi has decided that Babylonian sailors should stop sailing from Greece to Wales
:good:
All Babylonian citizens have therefore switched to fishing and getting sunburnt
:hippie:

[Sparrowhawk]

Not sure if DaveV checks this thread...did you email him as well?

(on a recent turn he didn't know the gamefile was here until I told him about this thread, so he may be following it now....but........???)

/me :crook:

[La Fayette]

I also sent an e-mail :naughty:

[Carolus Rex]

So, what's up with the game?

This time I'm not the guilty one (I hope!)... ;)

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Hello Carolus,

Just thought I would bring you up to date, I received the game yesterday and hope to send it on to you tomorrow if all goes well.

Sparrowhawk of the Mongols :)

p.s. I see someone with your "handle" at EU2......would that be you by any chance :hmmm:

[Sparrowhawk]

Okay, game played and forwarded to Carolus (by Email).

:)

/me :crook:

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk
Hello Carolus,

p.s. I see someone with your "handle" at EU2......would that be you by any chance :hmmm:

Nope! That's someone else... But I was here first! :)

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Ok, I'm here.

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

BTW, your inbox is full so I can't PM you. Popular Apolytoner... ;)

Carolus

[La Fayette]

I have already tried to connect twice = failed

[Carolus Rex]

Maybe I should send you the file so you can try to host?

Carolus

[La Fayette]

I don't think trying to host would change anything. IMO we had better try using Civ2dip if you don't mind.

[Carolus Rex]

Ok, but that's the problem you see...

My laptop can't handle whatever the program is called that is needed for Civdip to run properly. Also, when I finally got to open your offer, it consisted of exchanging maps only...

I need instructions of you to make this work... Sorry! :(

Carolus

[La Fayette]

If you can't install Civ2dip and if I can't upgrade my game I guess we are stuck.
Here is my proposal:
1) You post your savegame
2) I play my turn
3) I try to uppgrade and you try to install Civ2dip

I am sorry about not having been able to join you. We'll do better next time :)

[Carolus Rex]

Hi!

I just sent you the game (BTW, I hope you keep my real name to yourself).

About Civ2dip: the problem is not installing it; it's running it that's causing trouble.

If I understand things correctly you need another program ("Java Runtime" or something like that; it's mentioned in the instructions) in order for Civ2dip to function and this other program is what's killing my laptop (I think).

As I said before, I managed to open your barter after about an hour of waiting for various screens to pop up... When I finally managed to read it, it contained exchanging maps only...

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

I have to work a little now... Will check back later (here or my Hotmail account) to see what's up...

Carolus

[Peaster]

Guys, I stumbled into this thread by accident, but if there is any way I can help, let me know. For example, I could probably run Civ2Dip on LaFayette's barter file and Rex's latest save [assuming there's no password]and send the modified save back to Rex.

Actually I have been having a few computer problems too, but we can try this if you want.

[Sparrowhawk]

Works for me, and though I am not positive of their intent, I believe that La Fayette wanted to gift all the Babylonian cities and units to the Mongols.

Similarly Carolus Rex wanted to gift all the Roman cities and units to the Mongols (particularly the city with the dam stolen former U.S. President).

I know I speak for both Carolus and La Fayette when I say how much we all appreciate your help Peaster :D

:lol:

/me :crook: not surprisingly, of the Mongols

[La Fayette]

Yes Sparrowhawk, I am planning to gift all Babylonian units and cities to the Mongols ... if it happens that there is ONE Bab unit inside ONE Bab city remaining :)

BTW thank you very much , Peaster, for kind proposal

[Peaster]

OK. If you decide to go ahead with that plan, post a copy of the barter file (or use email) and let me know if C.Rex uses a password. I probably don't need the scenario files, but will DL those if necessary.

[Sparrowhawk]

This is vanilla civ, (though with an accelerated start) we have been playing for a long time.......I started at 550 BC I think, and we are at ??720 AD?? now. I think kengel is the only original player still playing, and I don't know what year it was when they started but I think it was something like 2700 BC.

Anyhow my point is that no scenario files are required :)

/me :crook:

[La Fayette]

Carolus,

PLease don't forget to post your 720AD savegame ASAP

(the one you sent is 700AD that I already played quite a while ago :cool: )

[Carolus Rex]

Peaster,

Thanks for your kind offer! I will try once more with my laptop and see if it works. If it doesn't I'll come back to you.

SH,

I suspect that some surprise or other awaits me when I open my turn... :scared: Has the HD a new owner? :eek: :) We shall see...

La Fayette,

Please send me your barter file again (or give me its name as I probably have it in my Civ directory somewhere); I deleted your e-mail to gain server space (thanks Hotmail!)...

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

[Horrified mood]Accelerated start-up?[/Horrified mood]

That explains a lot! :D

BTW, what's "vanilla civ"?

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

I found it!

Will play now (hopefully!).

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Ok...

Been waiting about 5 minutes now at the "Choose leader/civ"-window... Have clicked "Caesar (Romans)", but the "next" button has not yet highlighted...

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Ah... "Welcome, great Caesar"! Well, they got that part right! ;)

Let's see... "Make barter"...

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Damn! First mistake... Should be "View barter", right?

With these lags, I can't afford such sloppiness! :angry:

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Ok, I accepted the barter. Now what? I'm back to the "View barter"-window...

How do I proceed to play my turn?

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

I just closed the utility and will play my turn now... Hopefully the barter is updated in the game (although I don't see how, as I will now load the turn SH sent me...)?

Sigh...

Anyway, on with the game!

Carolus

[La Fayette]

Thank you for the savegame, Carolus.
I tried to make good use of it (topless Bab women getting sunburnt on all Bab beaches :eek: ).

[Carolus Rex]

NP!

Should I do something with the save above?

BTW, this is my first post with my new broadband connection! I say, anyone for MP? ;)

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

I don't think you need to do anything with the save above, I think he posted it for DaveV to download if necessary (but if I know La Fayette, he also emailed it to Dave), and also to let the rest of us know where the game is at.

As for your new connection....I did notice that your post appeared quicker then normal.......now I know why :p ;)

/me :crook:

[Carolus Rex]

Let's see if it can also influence the speed with which I play and pass on my turns in the game... ;)

Do you still play "real" (i. e. not PBEM) MP? I remember our games with Eddy quite fondly... His wife used to set down her foot once or twice ("enough is enough")... One time one of his children had a nightmare so Eddy had to quit to comfort him/her... "Let'em scream, Eddy", I would say, "Trust me, it'll do'em just good!" ;)

Is he still in this PBEM game or is it someone else handling his civ?

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

I wish I did still play "real" MP Civ but between a lack of time and a lack of other players it became a virtual impossibility for me to play online.

Eddy is still Eddy as far as I know, though if I understand right he is now closer to my time zone then yours :) (he moved I think).

I too enjoyed our MP games, and rushed home from work a number of times because I knew that you two were waiting for me. Didn't want to keep you awake any later then necessary ;) (or Eddy's wife).

I have moved on lately to EU2 single player (Europa Universalis 2), don't even play SP in Civ anymore :(

/me :crook:

[Carolus Rex]

I've seen a lot of praise for that game! Seems worth picking up from a bargain bin...

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

"The winds are changing... Coming down from the North, carrying the cries of enslaved people...

The living come with grassy tread
To read the gravestones on the hill;
The graveyard draws the living still,

Especially, perhaps, the Mongolian hordes... ;)

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

01.30 over here and nothing special to report... Been browsing some old threads... In one (this PBEM's), a player was frustrated because 5 (!) days had passed and there was no progress of the game... :) I miss the Civ 2 activity of the old days (but I know discussion is hot in other 'Poly fora)...

I think I will have to pick up Civ 4 right away as it comes through the factory gates and jump into discussing the game's aspects...

Never got into Civ 3... What say you, venerable Mongolian leader, is EU and EU 2 worth picking up?

BTW, what did you mean with "vanilla civ" in your post above? Crème de la crème civ?

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
01.30 over here and nothing special to report... Been browsing some old threads... In one (this PBEM's), a player was frustrated because 5 (!) days had passed and there was no progress of the game... :) I miss the Civ 2 activity of the old days (but I know discussion is hot in other 'Poly fora)...

:lol: Yes, I think the original game had a turnaround of about a week between turns, quite the difference now where if we get the turn back in 3 months it is an accomplishment :)

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
I think I will have to pick up Civ 4 right away as it comes through the factory gates and jump into discussing the game's aspects...

Never got into Civ 3...

I look at Civ 3 in it various versions on a regular basis, but have yet to buy it and not sure I ever will :(. Tempting, but it almost seems too late to buy it now anyway (though I think it may be too much for my computer to handle :lol: ).

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
What say you, venerable Mongolian leader, is EU and EU 2 worth picking up?

:hmmm: I remember when I first started playing Civ 2, and I would wake up on a saturday and figure I would start a game.......and the next thing I would know it would be 5:30 a.m. and I was still sitting at the computer, sometimes without eating and defitely without realizing how much time had passed.

With EU2 (I haven't tried EU) it is a similar adiction, though I am at a different point in my life and staying up all night playing is no longer an option. I would say EU2 is as good as Civ, though quite a different type of game. I enjoy it immensely (not sure immensely is a strong enough word, I find myself loading it on my lunchhour to check my progress. I cannot recommend it highly enough :b: (plus it is cheap, and runs on older computers).

I would struggle to come up with a reason not to try it out :).

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
BTW, what did you mean with "vanilla civ" in your post above? Crème de la crème civ?


By "vanilla civ" I mean plain & ordinary (like vanilla ice cream). No mods, no scenario, just vanilla, start at 4000 bc and play the game as it was written by the designers.

My reference above was in answer to Peaster's question about the need to download the scenario in order to assist you and La Fayette with your barter (nothing to download but the game file). I can understand Peaster's assumption in that most of the PBEM Games (though given the number still being played, not sure what "most" is anymore :lol: ) are played with a scenario as most of the players don't want to play the initial parts of the game where turns take a minute to play (press enter & save).

Does that explain it better? :)

/me :crook:

[caesar007]

hey

are you guys going to start a pbem game anytime soon .... cause if so i would like to join if there is room for one more

[Carolus Rex]

Greetings!

I don't know, but if there's interest I would also like to be in it!

As you can see (by rolling back via the link in the first post) these games take quite some time to finish! On the other hand, (at least in the past) it's been easy enough to find replacements should a player's interest fade away... :)

Carolus

[caesar007]

yes those games can take awhile .... i am new to pbem games though ... so i would need some help how to save and send such a game .....

and i don't think we need 7 .... maybe with 4 or so we could start one too ..... and see how it goes .....

[Carolus Rex]

Ok.

Let's see what the others say when they check this thread. Maybe we can get a 4 player game going...

I'm not an expert on PBEM games either; I do what the others tell me to do if we run into technical problems! :)

Mostly, regular play goes like this:

i) You get the save and open it

ii) Choose your civ

iii) Play your turn

iv) At the end (once you have done everything you want during that turn), press "Ctrl + n" (or is it "Ctrl + alt + n"?) to avoid that the AI moves your cities' workers around

v) Save the game and send it to the next player

vi) Wait X months for your next turn and forget all the plans and strategies you were forging the last turn... :)

I also believe there is "real" MP in the beginning to get the game started as the first turns are so short. Perhaps a couple of hours...

Carolus

[caesar007]

sounds good to me :)

[Straybow]

Still trying to resurrect this game? Good luck!

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by Straybow

Still trying to resurrect this game? Good luck!



No need to resurrect it; it's still running! :b: :)

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Seems we need to prove Straybow wrong, guys... :)

Where's the game now?

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Last I saw it was sitting with Eddy (I think DaveV sent him the turn sometime in late April).

Not sure if Eddy sent it on yet, but I doubt it :(, as kengel is pretty reliable for sending it fairly soon.

/me :crook:

[Kull]

Whatever you do,
stay away from EU2!
It will destroy your life,
(or at least p*** off the wife!)

[Sparrowhawk]

Too late, it is my latest adiction!! Great Game!! :b:

of course I spend way too much time playing and get less sleep as a result, but does it really matter as long as ___________ ends out as the world power?

* fill in your choice country in the blank above, in my case it is currently Venice, the major power of Europe in 1770 :D

Back on topic......but at least EU2 helps keep me occupied while waiting for my turn in Civ to come back around....of course when it does i will need to search for my disk, it has been so long since I played last :lol:

/me :crook:

[Kull]

I was totally flummoxed by the sheer number of different factions......and the scale of the thing is just breathtaking. It's the first God Game I 've ever played in which "conquering the entire world" seems not only impossible, but frankly undesirable!

I salivate at the prospect of a future version starting in 4000 BC! :D

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk March 16, 2005
Okay, game played and forwarded to Carolus (by Email).

:)

* Sparrowhawk :crook:

Wow.....:eek: I looked back to see my last turn and it was sent as quoted above, March 16, 2005 or 3 1/2 months ago.

I have played the next turn and sent on the save to Carolus tonight (June 27, 2005).

Germanos would love :love: this game!! :D

/me :crook:

________________________________________

Off topic reply to Kull:
Originally posted by Kull
I was totally flummoxed by the sheer number of different factions......and the scale of the thing is just breathtaking. It's the first God Game I 've ever played in which "conquering the entire world" seems not only impossible, but frankly undesirable!

I salivate at the prospect of a future version starting in 4000 BC! :D

I can't agree more, the game is great and I too can't help but compare to Civ (starting in 4000 BC). Not sure what you mean by the conquering the whole world being not only impossible but undersirable as well. In my current game (Venice) I have been trying to conquer as much as possible and with only 1 1/2 years remaining (May 1818) I control the majority of Europe and North America, along with significant portions of the Middle East, Africa and South America. I think that as I get better i will be able to conquer the majority of the world, and hope to do so. Why do you think this is undesirable :hmmm: (though you are right in that it is likely a virtual impossibility to conquer the entire world).

(by the way, I am only playing on "Normal" difficulty :blush:, which may be why I was able to conquer the majority of Europe).

By the way, not sure if you have noticed, but in the "other games" section of these Forums there is a "Paradox" Forum which has discussion of Europa Universalis. I am still new to the game (my only complete game so far was as Scotland) and have picked up a lot from fellow Apolytoners. Perhaps we could continue this discussion there? ;)

[Carolus Rex]

:b:

Will play my turn soon, really soon...

Carolus

[La Fayette]

:b:

Will play my turn soon, really soon...



Sure you will, Carolus, we are very confident :)

BTW Sparrowhawk, may I suggest that we enforce the 72h law (someone hits Control+N if a player has not played his turn after 72h)?

[Sparrowhawk]

While that sounds great to me to get this game moving again, it sounds like an abrupt change to a game that has been moving so slowly (often 1 month + at one player).

Not sure we could enforce this as it would result in probably 3 of the players having their turns "control N" on a regular basis.

Having said that, I would be in favour of some time limit.

/me :crook:

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk
I would be in favour of some time limit.

* Sparrowhawk :crook:

What about a week then ?
Other players are invited to give their opinion.

[kengel]

Hi guys,
great thread, thanks for keeping this great game alive!
I wish I would have much more time to help this game keep running...
The last turn stayed very long at Eddy, because he had trouble with a new PC and civ installation and so on.
And very often it happens, that a player is not available for a longer time.

Nevertheless, this game will not die!

I would agree with a time limit of perhaps a week.
But I think we could speed up the game, if we use alliance player.

There are obviously alliances in this game, and perhaps it makes sense if alliance players could sub for each other after a time limit.

This could fit for me/Sparrowhawk,
Eddy / Ian,
Babylon / french ?:cute:
Just for the romans I do not know an adequate alliance player, but perhaps Carolus knows :lol:

[Sparrowhawk]

Both setting a one week time limit and using substitute players (allies) make sense to me.

Just for anyone interested, I took a few minutes to summarize the dates when I sent on turns, to give an idea of time between turns.

280 AD - January 04/2003
300 AD - March 22/2003
320 AD - April 18/2003
340 AD - May 15/2003
360 AD - June 14/2003
380 AD - July 09/2003
400 AD - July 29/2003
420 AD - August 06/2003
440 AD - August 24/2003
460 AD - August 30/2003
480 AD - September 16/2003
500 AD - October 06/2003
520 AD - October 15/2003
540 AD - November 07/2003
560 AD - November 27/2003
580 AD - December 11/2003
600 AD - January 18/2004
620 AD - March 04/2004
640 AD - June 09/2004
660 AD - November 07/2004
680 AD - December 08/2004
700 AD - March 16/2005
720 AD - June 27/2005

/me :crook:

[Carolus Rex]

I'm playing now...

A question: are we not supposed to report acts of war? I have a unit in the yellow in one of my cities and would like to know who attacked me! :doitnow!: ;)

Also, destroying city improvements is an act of war and I suppose we should report that as well...

I seem to lose city improvements every now and then, but it could be bad memory + long between the turns (see the list above!)...

Another strange thing... All my cities are not cycled through when I jump to the next city in the city window?! Strange!

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Turn played and sent on to La Fayette...

Carolus

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex

Another strange thing... All my cities are not cycled through when I jump to the next city in the city window?! Strange!

Carolus

When I was your sub (a long time ago :) ) this happened to me and I came to the conclusion that it was probably due to the strange letters that you used for some city names.

[Carolus Rex]

Yes, that's what I thought too... Still, I've seen cities named "!"... But perhaps they were not "cyclable" either?

First time I noticed it was today... :(

I think it's Crustacian who originally played as the romans and baptised the cities...

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

As far as I know any acts of war all should be reported (whether successful or not) as well as diplomatic activity (such as sabataging improvements).

Not sure who has done this to you, but I did not attack you and had nothing to report (nor have I attacked you or sabotaged any improvements.....yet :evilgrin: ).

Though I had every reason to attack! :rant: :p ;)

/me :crook:

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk

Not sure who has done this to you



Talk to your treacherous ally, the americans, oh ye unfaithful!

I am sure they have something to do with it... The coasts are crawling with their puny iron clads! Do they not know that that ship construction is obsolete?!

Carolus

[kengel]

What? treacherous americans? :hmmm:

We officially assure that we did not attack any roman city/unit for centuries now, nor we do plan it in near future (yet :D )

[Sparrowhawk]

Which begs the question....who attacked the Romans?? :confused:

If it wasn't kengel (Americans) and it wasn't me (Mongols)........then who?? Eddy and the Egyptians?? :hmmm:

Perhaps the Romans should be careful who they ally with........that Babylonians are closer to the Romans then anyone else :cute: ?

/me :crook:

[Carolus Rex]

Heh, heh!

Perhaps it was hurt a couple of turns ago... That's about 6 months ago IRL, so maybe I'm excused if I didn't remember that...

Yellow it is, though... :hmmm:

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

And I haven't attacked you (nor did I attack Crustacian, even though he took a city from me........Kabul), and kengel says he didn't either.

makes no sense, unless maybe Barbs? (Haven't seen them in Mongolia in a loooooonnnnnnnngggggg time though). Actually now that you mention it, I think there were barbs outside of Kabul a while back wern't there?? :hmmm:

/me :crook:

[La Fayette]

Difficult to remember the details after several months.
Yet IIRC most Bab warriors were getting sunburnt on the beautiful beaches of Babland. They seem to have now reached a colour somewhere between the averages at Malibu and Abidjan.

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk

makes no sense, unless maybe Barbs?



I suppose it could be the unit that took out your riflemen... You had a mini-invasion going and I lost some units until one was victorious... That's probably it...

Still, shows what long time between turns can do... ;)

Carolus

[DaveV]

Originally posted by La Fayette
Originally posted by Sparrowhawk
I would be in favour of some time limit.

* Sparrowhawk

What about a week then ?
Other players are invited to give their opinion.
Fine with me. I have a feeling the stalemate may be broken soon, by one side or the other...

[Carolus Rex]

Although I may be the biggest sinner in this issue I second a one week time limit.

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Okay it appears that 5 of us are in agreement to a time limit of some sort, and I have sent an email to Eddy and Mostly Harmless so that they can post an opinion as well.

Here is the content of my email:


Hello Eddy and Mostly Harmless,

Currently there is a discussion going on at Apolyton about the future of our PBEM Game. Basically it has been suggested that we place a one week timeline on the playing of our turns, and if at the end of that week the turn hasn't been played that an ally of the person be asked to play the turn on their behalf.

The other 5 players in the game have posted various opinions so perhaps you two could as well? (though I am not sure either of you post to Apolyton anymore).

Here is the link to the thread in question: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=3894091#post3894091

Hopefully both of you get a chance to go and post an opinion.

Thanks,
Sparrowhawk

[Excl209]

Hey guys, long time no post :)

1 week time limit on turns? I guess thats ok. Normally by the time i receive my turn my computer has crashed or civ 2 is not working or my little world is turned upside down. Hopefully 1 week isn't enough time for that to happen. :D

Who's turn is it btw? doh, it's me isn't it... better get a move on... who am i again?

Oh, i know... someone just attacked us, didn't they... unprevoked... yes... but we're a peacefull race... who would do such a thing?!?!?!

Excl209,
Leader of the Egyptian Nation.

[Sparrowhawk]

:dance: :dance:

DL!! :lol:

Good to see you posting on Apolyton "Excl209" :) Even if it was at my request :b:

btw, for the record, I am also in favour of a 1 week time limit on turns, after which an ally plays on behalf of the absentee player.

/me :crook:

[kengel]

Eddy, welcome back to the forum!
That's fantastic, this is like a "veteran meeting" :)
I hope Mostly Harmless will find his way here too.
BTW, here is the american turn to the greek
(email copy to Ian)

[mostly_harmless]

Hi guys :)

I've sent the turn on, but am going to be away from a civ equipped computer for the next 4 weeks so should my ally sub for me during then?

[Carolus Rex]

Good grief! :eek:

Seems like all players in the game have shown up... :)

I'd be really surprised if the game comes back to you within those four weeks... ;)

Carolus

[La Fayette]

Originally posted by Carolus Rex

I'd be really surprised if the game comes back to you within those four weeks... ;)

Carolus

Og hvem er det som skall ha skylden ? :D

(I mean: who's going to be responsible for that ?)

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by La Fayette

Og hvem er det som skall ha skylden ? :D

(I mean: who's going to be responsible for that ?)



Ska detta tolkas som att spelet redan är hos mig? Bäst att kolla Hotmail direkt... ;)

(Does this mean that the game has already been sent to me? Better check Hotmail right away...)

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

(Nope, but I am working on it, hopefully the turn will be sent on tonight)

/me can't speak......or type.......Swedish :crook:

[Sparrowhawk]

And the turn has been sent on, please check your Hotmail Carolus ;)

:b:

/me :crook:

[Carolus Rex]

Oh la la! :expect:

Well done, noble leader of the Mongolians! I will ravage your land, eh, I mean play my turn soon! ;)

Seems the speed has been turned up... :b: Let's see if we can keep it up...

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

What difficulty level are we at?

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Game passed on...

SH,

Did you find everything as you left it in Kabulantium?

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

We are playing at Emporer Level.

I know not what Kabulantium is, but I have looked at the city of Kabul and it is much changed from whence we were forcably evacuated.

I beleive we will be able to return it to the Mongolian Way however, the people seem eager to return to the right and true rule.

/me :crook:

[Carolus Rex]

Thanks.

No incidents to report...

Carolus

[La Fayette]

Bright sunshine an all beaches.
Temperature of water = about 25 Celsius.
Some ironclads have been sent sailing around (since the sailors began to feel rusty).

[DaveV]

La Fayette,

I'm having trouble downloading the attachment, either because Apolyton is messing up or because I'm using a hotel phone for my internet connection :(. Please email me the save.

Dave

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by DaveV
La Fayette,

I'm having trouble downloading the attachment, either because Apolyton is messing up or because I'm using a hotel phone for my internet connection :(. Please email me the save.

Dave

I saw that Kull is having similar problems downloading saves, not sure what the problem is.

I was able to download it however so I emailed it to you DaveV. :)

/me :crook:

[DaveV]

Sent to Eddy.

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by mostly_harmless
Hi guys :)

I've sent the turn on, but am going to be away from a civ equipped computer for the next 4 weeks so should my ally sub for me during then?

Originally posted by Carolus Rex
I'd be really surprised if the game comes back to you within those four weeks... ;)

Carolus

Not sure I would be so surprised, since Mostly Harmless sent on his turn (July 12) it has gone from me (1), to Carolus (2), La Fayette (3), DaveV (4) and now sits at Eddy (5) before kengel (6) plays and returns the game to Mostly Harmless to complete the cycle.

It seems quite possible that the game could return to Mostly Harmless before his four weeks is up :b:

A lot depends on Eddy however :eek:.

/me :crook:

[La Fayette]

Anyway, I agree to the ally being sub
(since in this game we have no SparrowHawk, able to sub for anyone;) ).

[Sparrowhawk]

:hmmm: Eddy has now played and forwarded the turn to kengel. If kengel plays anytime soon the turn will arrive at Mostly Harmless well inside his 4 week away time, but given how often Eddy checks his email I am not sure he would get to the game a week after kengel sends the turn on (Mostly Harmless might be back by the time that Eddy realizes that we have asked him to sub).

Either way, the turn should soon be back to Mostly Harmless, and whenever he or his ally play, then the turn comes back to me :expect:

/me :crook:

[kengel]

It's late night here, I posted the turn to Mostly Harmless already.
Here a copy, perhaps Eddy finds it and is available as a sub?
Good night ....:zzz:

[Excl209]

Hey guys,

I don't mind subbing for Mostly, np... but could you send me the file, i can't download it from the message board for some reason. :confused:

The game must go on !

Or is Mostly back already? :)

Eddy.

[Excl209]

and hey!! I check my email nearly ever day !!! errr every other day... errr 1-2 week... at least 5-6 months !!!!

Maybe 1-2 a year...

Hey, i know when its my turn !!!! :mad:

Eddy :)

[kengel]

turn sent to Eddy by email :)

[kengel]

Now it's more than 4 weeks over the time when Mostly Harmless did his last post-
And also no email response from him yet.
I am afraid, he is still away (or was eaten by some of those big sea monsters :scared: )

I suggest, that Eddy takes over his turn, for that the game can go on.

Let's hope Mostly Harmless is back again to his next turn!

[Sparrowhawk]

On the brighter side, I am on holidays until the 28th and won't be able to play until then at the earliest anyway, I am actually happy that the game slowed at this time. (though if the leader of the American people was to run Mongolia for a brief period I would not have been against that either :) ).

/me :crook:

[kengel]

Sparrowhawk, have a nice holidays :)

I suggest Eddy still subs Mostly Harmless, posts the turn here and we wait for Sparrowhawks return.

If Ian should be back before Sparrowhawk, he could replay his turn and we ignore the post of Eddy
(in that case, thanks & sorry to Eddy for his fruitless efforts :D ;))

[Excl209]

Ok, the turn is completed... (Eygptian sub for Greek's)

Lets see who returns first :)

And i didn't peek at anything :evilgrin:

Eddy.

[Carolus Rex]

So...

What's up?

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Sparrowhawk is an :idiot: idiot!!

I completely forgot about this game, thanks for the bump.

Here is the gamefile (which I also emailed to you):

[Carolus Rex]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk

I completely forgot about this game, thanks for the bump.



[Chock mode]What? You forgot about it?! :eek: You of all the players!? You seemed so reliable... ;) [/Chock mode]

Let me fill you in on the details of the game then... Eh, let's see, you're allied with the nice romans... Yeah, that's it...

You're at total war with the evil americans, it's a fight to the death! You might also want to honour your agreement with the french and cede some of your cities close to the roman border... That's about it, I think... ;)

Carolus

[Sparrowhawk]

Thanks for the reliable comment, I don't think I have ever held up the game for more then a week...........before now :wall:

Now that you mention the roman alliance, it reminds me that I should mention that we had an ambassador visit the Roman city of Kabulantium (the Mongol city of Kabul) and note that you have turned it into an Alpine Resort, should you wish to return it to Mongolia you can leave the skiers there, if we are forced to take it back I assume the Skiers will also be forced to evacuate :cute:

/me :crook:

[kengel]

Hey guys, did you notice that this game celebrated its six anniversary? :eek:

:dance: :dance: :dance:

[Sparrowhawk]

:lol: Not sure if that is a cause for celebration or a reason to cringe! But it is a good thing I guess, if only to prove how stubborn we are in that we haven't given up on it.

If I remember correctly, our current seven players in order of succession:
Kengel (the only original left)
Mostly Harmless
Excel
DaveV/Sparrowhawk
Carolus Rex
La Fayette

And most of us have been involved for several years, I wonder if Civ2 will survive on all 7 computers when Civ4 comes out? :hmmm:

(My computer would cough and sputter if I even considered loading a program as new as Civ4 on it, and from what I know of La Fayette's his already has :p ).

6 years of one game, who would have thought it!! :eek:

:dance:

/me :crook: leader of the Monkeygolians ;)

[mostly_harmless]

Whoops I'd completely forgotten about this too, if by some miracle I'm still alive I can retake control of my civ again :)

[Carolus Rex]

I've played my turn and sent it to La Fayette.

Happy anniversary! :) Don't know if it's appropriate to wish for many more healthy years to come or not... ;)

Carolus

[kengel]

Originally posted by Sparrowhawk
I wonder if Civ2 will survive on all 7 computers when Civ4 comes out? :hmmm:

(My computer would cough and sputter if I even considered loading a program as new as Civ4 on it, and from what I know of La Fayette's his already has :p ).



I just tried to install civ3, but my monitor gave up in respect to the required resolution :lol: :lol: :lol:

As long as it is possible to play civ2 on computers, and as long as there are at least seven people being able to play it (we :hmmm: ) this game will go on :doitnow!:

Maybe we all will be very old guys at the end of that game :lol:

[kengel]

Originally posted by mostly_harmless
Whoops I'd completely forgotten about this too, if by some miracle I'm still alive I can retake control of my civ again :)

Your civ is still alive, I guess the last turn was subbed by Eddy :b:

Just don't give up, we really would miss you :D

[Carolus Rex]

Apparently there's a new Hotmail policy now... As I hadn't logged in for more than 30 days, all my messages were deleted... :mad:

I'm quite a collector, so that means that all the old Apolyton e-mails I had archived are gone... :(

Anyway, the account is still active and saves can still be sent to the same e-mail address...

Speaking about saves; where is our game now?

Carolus

[kengel]

The game is at La Fayette.
I am worried, there is no live sign from him also in the other PBEM he is involved :(
Let's hope, he is all right...
Meantime, perhaps we should look out for a sub for him ?
Who is closest friend to the Babs? The french maybe?

[DaveV]

Originally posted by kengel
Who is closest friend to the Babs? The french maybe?
More likely the Romans; I remember those two being friends already when I approached them to join their party. The French would be a good second choice, and I could sub the turn if so directed.

[Carolus Rex]

That's fine with me. I'll dig up the old save and send it to you this Monday.

Carolus

[kengel]

great, thanks, Carolus! :b:

[Carolus Rex]

Dave, can you please post your e-mail here? All my contacts were erased when I didn't log in for 30 days...

Carolus

[DaveV]

dave_v9 at yahoo dot com

[Carolus Rex]

Thanks.

I just sent the save (780 AD) to you. It was the most recent I could find, but let me know if it's an old one and I'll look around some more.

Carolus

[Carolus Rex]

Dave,

You're free to play the Babylonians.

Edit: Just wanted to write my annual Christmas smiley... Hoh, hoh, hoh! :)

Carolus

[DaveV]

Progress update: after straightening things out with Carolus, I have played the Babylonian turn, but ran out of time before I could play the French. I won't be able to play the French turn until after Christmas.

[Excl209]

Game moves onwards... :)

But on a world wide issue - I don't want global warming again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which nation is not taking care of it's own pollution?!?! I have seen alot of pollution around the Babylonian cities.... maybe they should get their act together !!!!!

Enjoy. :evilgrin:

[Sparrowhawk]

Unfortunately even bigger issues plague our players. We lost La Fayette as per this thread (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=146684).

One of the best civ2 strategists, and a well known player in many of the civ2 games. He will be missed :(

/me :(

Edit: For anyone that hasn't voted in the Apolyton Hall of Fame, this would be a good time to do so as the voting his not yet closed. La Fayette is likely to be inducted post-humously by Darkcloud, but he deserves to get in on his own merit.

[Carolus Rex]

That's horrible news...

Carolus

[kengel]

This is so sad :(
He was a great player, and from my few private contacts with him I knew he was a real gentleman.
I am shocked from this news, which I got today after return from a longer vacation.
My condolences to the family.
La Fayette, rest in peace!

[Carolus Rex]

What do we do?

Let go of the game or find another player?

Carolus

[Excl209]

I'm sorry to hear the news of La Fayette...

it is so sad... :(

He was a great civ player and a kewl guy.

May he rest in peace.

Eddy. :(

[SlowThinker]

Hello, neighbours ...
Don't you want to exchange a Ctrl-N service with our Ancient Empires PBEM?
SparrowHawk provided this service for us in past (thx again, SparrowHawk), but I have a feeling it was quite complicated for him last time. For one man it may be a hard duty but it should be easier to find a ready N-man from 7 people (we have 7 people too).

Edit: 6 people, I see kengel is a bigamist.

[kengel]

Bigamist? :hmmm: :naughty: :D

Good news: we have a new player who would like to take over the Babylonians-
Probably he will drop us a short note here soon.
I believe he knew Michel personally, and to my feelings he would be an ideal successor for the ancient king of the Babylonians.

[Carolus Rex]

Sounds good!

I'm sure La Fayette would want this game to go on...

To the new, yet unknown, king... Welcome!

Do not be fooled by your embassy's reports. The Babylonians and ourselves (the Romans) are allied. We just haven't established the alliance on-line.

The French is the third leg in this mighty alliance that will ultimately rule the world, fairly and just! :)

Carolus

[kengel]

I will try to give some very compressed information about the history and rules of our game.

First the rules (pretty simnple):

- game goals: world rulership or Alpha Centauri
- City and army bribing is not allowed!
- Tech trading allowed
- all wonders allowed
- Tech & map trading allowed
- Alliances allowed
- friendly actions (trading,...) between two players must be in agreement to each other
- Military actions must be reported to the attacked one

Technically:
Be careful not to forget pressing Ctrl-N before you save your turn, and do not use the F11-button during your turn (because this triggers worker arrangement in other civs).

We have no time limit for moving, but we agreed that allies should be allowed to sub for a turn, if someone is missing for a longer time (I think one week or so? We agreed but never took use of that rule :cute: ).

To the game:

It seems the world is divided into three blocks.
In the north, the mongolian/american alliance.
The middle field is dominated by the roman/french/babylonian alliance, and by the egypt/greek alliance.

Excessive wars (except for some minor incidents of no importance) were going on between France and America, between Mongols and Romans, and between Babylon and Greece.
The American/French war is still very hot, the war between Mongols and Romans has calmed down somewhat, and I have no information about the current status between Greece and Babylon, but I believe it is still going on.

The greek leader "Mostly Harmless" will know more about that topic.

[Straybow]

This is the indomitable Civ2 spirit. Rather play a 3 year old PbEM than dabble in new-fangled "successors" to the Civ franchise.

:b:

[kengel]

Greetings to you, new king of the Babylonians, from the American nation.

Note, that our civs were in peace for a long time now (mainly, because our armies did not meet up to now :naughty: )

We would like to continue this way, though we are worried about your good relationship to those evil french, who are known as a barbaric and blood-thirsty race :doitnow!:

Furthermore, we condemn your recent aggressive conquest of nearly the whole greek nation. We friendly ask to be more nice to that mostly harmless small race :nono:

[Scouse Gits]

Hi guys,
It is with the greatest sadness that I step into LaFayette's shoes only to find them far to big for me. I am honoured to be permitted to do this, thank you all.

I shall read all of this thread once I get a chance, but thanks Klaus for the excellent summary above. Some immediate questions come to mind, is the diplomacy in terms of alliances, trading agreements etc carried out in the open in this thread, or in secret via PMs and e-mail? Are Declarations of War a requirement, a civility or announced by the capture of a city? Is tech theft permitted?
________________________________________

We would welcome communication from our fellow Heads of State (Klaus and Dave have my e-mails) setting out their hopes and fears vis a vis the Mighty Babylonian Empire.

We share the concern of our fellows at the state of imminent Global Warming and would be happy to enter a 'Kyoto Pact' pledged to the removal of all pollution from our beatiful planet, but cannot of course commit such resources uni-laterally without similar assurances from you, my friends

Thus spake Hammurabi II, First Citizen of the Babylonian Hegemony
________________________________________

Cheers, Stu

[DaveV]

Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Is the diplomacy in terms of alliances, trading agreements etc carried out in the open in this thread, or in secret via PMs and e-mail?
Mostly the latter, although there's no reason not to announce things in this thread if you think it will be beneficial.
Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Are Declarations of War a requirement, a civility or announced by the capture of a city?

The latter method is the one I used, and my victim didn't complain about any rule infractions (although he did retake the city :(). The concern is more in the opposite direction, where the AI will declare war on your friends.
Originally posted by Scouse Gits
Is tech theft permitted?

Yes.

[Scouse Gits]

Thanks Dave

Stu

[Sparrowhawk]

Originally posted by DaveV
Yes.

And I beleive you will see a certain statue in a certain French city that is testament to the fact that tech theft is allowed :rant: :mad: ;) (the statue was supposed to be in Mongolia)

:wall:

/me :crook:

[Scouse Gits]

Hail Oh Raptor, Noble Leader of the Horde!

Greetings and assurances of Eternal Friendship (eternal is, after all, a relative expression) from Hammurabi II.
We have yet to spend any real time perusing the map of the world, so details such as the exact placement of statues have yet to be discovered. We Trust that you are enjoying the Incomparable Comfort of riding in a 700 shield Elephant :D
We are given to understand that you are not currently of the Enlightened Alliance and thus we must express our Earnest Hope that your honourable Horsemen have progressed beyond being the Finest Archers of the Steppes and have mastered the Art of Armour Piercing Weapons, for Such may be their Need soonest.

First Citizen Hammurabi II of the Babylonian Hegemony

[Scouse Gits]

Can one of you give me a link for Civ2Dip - I guess it will be needed?

Stu

[Sparrowhawk]

Well said most noble leader of those we hear are called "Babylonians". The Mongolian people have only rumour and green spots on a map telling us there is such a civilization as the Babylonians as we have yet to be in contact. Your words are encouraging however, and perhaps you are not to in the dark as the other members of your "Enlightened Alliance".

There have been acts of agression by both the French and the Roman leaders, both past and current that we cannot easily forgive (something about a Damned Former President in a Roman City) but as the Babylonians are only guilty by association with their allies, we as of yet have no need to worry about said "Armour".

Your words about controlling the pollution problem are indeed encouraging, we have long been working to control our own internal pollution and dismayed that the rest of the world does not seem to have the same priority, perhaps in this matter the world can work together and as such prove that we do not need to fight amongst ourselves. After reparations are made for the numerous acts of agression by the aforementioned French and Romans (or Fries and Pizza as we like to refer to them by in Mongolia) perhaps the world can finally know peace! :good:

/me :crook: leader of the Mongol Hordes

Can't help you with CivDip, though I have it on my computer I have yet to use it with this game, I do use it with another PBEM but for this game I have successfully arranged online MP sessions....for intelligence sharing

[kengel]

Welcome, Scouse Gits, to our game :D

I am not sure if digging through this thread will give you information which you not already know, but if you have the time, it might be fun to go through history.

Surely the american nation hears with gladness the spoken words of peace (of course after we have freed the world from those french infidel dictatoric regime, and made the freed cities happy by giving chewing gum to the pained folk :naughty: )

We are most worried about that pollution happening in the world. As an act of initiative, we promise not to attack any engineers which we see doing the hard job of cleaning the environment. Though we face hard war times, we started a small own initiative of cleaning our local environment, and we encourage friends and foes to do the same :hippie:

[kengel]

Presently I am on a trip and have no access to a data sheet I created for our PBEM; as far as I remember it includes the link to Yaroslavs CivDip tool. I will post it as soon as I am back home.

[kengel]

Here is the link to Yaroslavs excellent CivDip tool :b:
http://spanish.apolyton.net/civ2/diplo/main.html

[kengel]

Where is the game?
:cute:

[Scouse Gits]

Not yet with me - if this helps any?

Stu

[Sparrowhawk]

/me started to play his turn.........but has yet to complete it :blush:

iow, it is still with me :shame:

[kengel]

:zzz:
;)