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Here is the readme for by new Medieval Mod 2.
Note: Here is a link to the corrected uniticon.txt that you need for the mod to run correctly. http://apolyton.net/ctp/files/mods/uniticon.zip

And here is the link to the Update readme. http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum7/HTML/002004.html

Wes Whitaker
Medieval Mod 2.0
by Wes Whitaker.


This mod continues the changes made in the first Medieval mod, and adds customized versions of the
Awesome Aips and True Terrain mods. A detailed explanation of the changes made in the AIP and Terrain
mods can be found in their attached readme files. This file only covers the Medieval mod. The Advances
Chart is modeled on the one which accompanied the game, and lists all the changes made in this mod. The Misc. Readme lists the settings for printing out the Advances Chart, and describes all other changes I have made to the game files.

First of all, let me go through the formality of saying that I take no responsibility for any damage that may be caused directly or indirectly by our work. Also, feel free to use these files to make your own improvements to the game, just remember to do us me courtesy of mentioning where you got them from. Thank you. Now, on to the good stuff….

The graphics for the Javelin Cavalry and new Spy were supplied by Tom Davies (Morgoth), as well as the basic Advances Chart. The graphics for the Galleon were supplied by Harlan Thompson. Thanks to Don Blevins, Timothy Pintello, Nordicus, and all those who participated in the polls and questions on the Apolyton forums. And thanks to Markos, Dan Q and the others at Apolyton for providing a place where we can all go to discuss, develop and distribute our ideas about playing and improving the games we love.

LAND UNITS: (Version 1 changes)
I made many changes to the Ancient and Renaissance units, in order to break up the Ancient age into an
Ancient and a Medieval age. I wanted each age to have a scout, a defensive and an offensive infantry, a ranged unit and a mounted assault unit. I also made a few changes to the advancement table to try and separate the two eras. Most notably, Pikemen appear much earlier, while the Renaissance units appear somewhat later. In the original version, Musketeers appeared immediately after Pikemen, which made them not worth building. I have tried to give the units values which would make it an even battle between an offensive unit and a fortified defensive unit on open ground. (See the land units section below for a chart.)
I also added a new unit, the Javelin Cavalry, which is the Ancient Age's mounted assault unit.

LAND UNITS: (Version 2 changes)
Values for mounted units have been tweaked.

Cannon defense made stronger for greater historical accuracy (grapeshot).

I gave Siege Engines an attack of 1 and defense of 2 so they would not be helpless when in the front row of
battles.

The Mounted Archer and Horse Archer replace the Archer and the Siege Engine in the core and overflow aip
lists, which should result in a better mix of these four units in the AI’s armies.

Also, I took away the pirating ability of Samurai and Musketeers, and gave it to Horse Archers and Cavalry.

Lastly, most Modern Age ground units costs 20 to 25 percent more.

NAVAL UNITS:
The Trireme, Fire Galley, and Longship now costs 1/3 less to build, and almost 1/2 less to support. (See the
sea units section below for a chart.)

The new aips have the AI constructing more ships, so I eliminated the pillage ability for Triremes,
Fire Galleys and Subs to avoid the aggravation of continually having to chase them off.

I added a new unit, the Galleon. It is a Renaissance Age transport, capable of defeating earlier ships and able
to fend off the Siege Engine.

The Ship-of-the-Line's bombardment value I made equal to the Cannon's (so they can defeat Siege Engines),
and transport ability reduced to two (like in Civ) since the Galleon is now available. It's attack and defense
values were raised slightly so that it can handily defeat Galleons.

The Troop Ship and Destroyer are now available with Oil Refining, and the Sub with Mass Production.

The Destroyer can now carry 1 small unit, and the Sub can carry small land units as well. This gives you the
ability to land special units onto shore from a warship (Destroyer), or undetected (Sub.).

Finally, various values for the Modern Age ships have been changed. (See the chart.)

AIR UNITS:
I increased the hit points for Interceptors to 20, as this value seemed to give good results regarding the active
air-defense ability. I also gave SAMs and Helicopters 10 extra hit points. Finally, I reduced the attack and
defense value of these three units by the same percentage as their increase in hit points, in order to keep their
overall power the same for these abilitites.

This still left the problem of planes being defenseless over water. I found that if planes are bombarded over
water, it produced normal results (i.e. no water bug). So I took away the air_attack ability from all other units, and replaced it with the bombard_air ability. This seems to have effectively gotten rid of the water bug in engagements not involving the active air ability.


MISC. NOTES:
Every unit that can bombard can now counter-bombard.

SPECIAL UNITS:
Settlers and Engineers cost 25% less, and I have given Settlers a defense of 1, hp 10 and fp of 2.
**This should give Settlers, which the AI refuses to escort, the chance to fight off barbarian Warriors.

The Noble is no longer restricted to Monarchy, and Spies and Slavers can fortify.

Also, I decided to reduce the unhappiness caused by Reformation from 5 to 2, and the unhappiness caused by
attacking a Cleric from 3 to 1.
**Historically, attacking missionaries has caused some unhappiness, but not the total rioting that accompianies the current settings. Attacking a converter already puts you at war with that civ, so these penalties seem more appropriate to me.

I added a new, Medieval Age spy unit. It takes over the name Spy, while the old unit has been renamed the
Secret Agent. The new Spy can look into enemy cities, incite revolts, and steal technology, just like the old
unit. The new Spy has a 75% chance of success when spying into cities, like the Secret Agent, but a 75% chance of getting caught if the attempt fails. Stealing tech still costs 2,000 gold, but Spies have a 90% success rate, since gold is more precious earlier in the game. In the odd case that the attempt fails, there is a 75% chance of capture. Finally, Spies have a 25% chance of inciting a revolution, and a 50% chance of being lynched if they fail. Spies are only available to civilizations with the Republic form of government, and become obsolete with Communism, when the modern spy, the Secret Agent, becomes available. They cannot become vets or plant Nuclear Weapons. (The stats for the new Spy are listed at the bottom of the land units section.)

Secret Agents now cost 20% less to build and support, and can become vets, which increase their chance of
success 50%.


SPECIALISTS:
Slaves cost more to feed, 7.5, and consume wages, in order to account for the cost of sheltering and clothing
them.

Laborers are available with construction of the Mill.
**Mostly this change was made to help out the AI, which was constructing Factories in cities with low production in order to be able to use Laborers.

ADVANCES:
I added a new advance, Chivalry, with which the Knight becomes available. The Stirrup now allows
Horse Archers.

Most of the early Renaissance Age advances are somewhat more expensive, while the later ones are much
more expensive. Several other changes were made to advance pre-requisities. (See the advances section below for a list of the changes.)

Note: Combined Arms now shows the Helicopter, instead of the Interceptor. (Just a cosmetic change.)

GOVERNMENTS:
Turns-to-readiness reduced from 7 to 5, 10 to 7, and 15 to 10, depending on the government.
______________________________AnarTyraMonaTheoRepuFascFund
MAX MARTIAL LAW UNITS (old,new)5,3 4,3 3,3 1,2__ 0,1 2,2 0,1
MARTIAL LAW EFFECT (old,new)___1,1 1,1 1.5,1 1,1 0,1 2,1 0,1

Democracy wages reduced to 4, gold coefficient raised to 1.25, and production coefficient raised to 1.5.
**Wages in a Democracy aren't necessarily higher than for a Republic, and the same freedom which increases knowledge applies to production efficiency as well. I always seem to choose Communism and Fascism over Democracy, so hopefully this will make the decision more difficult.

I have made new gl files for the right-hand side of the Library screen. The one for Tyranny looks like this:

Production Coef:___1.0
Gold Coef:_________1.0
Knowledge Coef:____1.0
Max Science Rate:___.5

Workday (Hrs.):_____10
Wages (Gold):______3
Rations (Food):____7.5

Crime Coef:_________10
Too Many Cities:_____8
Martial Law Units:___3
Martial Law Effect:__1

**I didn't include this file in version 1, since governments seem to be one of the files people most like to have their own version of. However, I think these subtle changes have a measurable, and hopefully beneficial, effect to the game. Besides, if you don't like them, you can always put your own version back in.

Note: The too many cities thresholds are set to CD’s settings, which are about right for a “normal” size map.

IMPROVEMENTS and WONDERS:
Aqueducts are now available with Geometry.
**This will help Clerics, and those of you that use the Theocracy form of government, with its extra rations penalty. And anyway, Engineering had too many things accompanying its discovery in this mod.

The City Clock now costs 2/3 as much to build, 1070, and 3 gold to maintain.

Forcefields, and the National Shield Wonder, give 2/3 the protection of the original, and costs 2/3 as much to
build.

I created a new improvement, the Stockade, which is a primitive form of City Walls. It adds 1 defense,
prevents slavery, costs 200 production and 1 upkeep, and is available with Stoneworking. City walls now adds 3 defense, still protects against slavery and conversion, costs 400 production and 3 upkeep, and is available with Engineering.
**By dividing up the city walls improvement this way, it prevents the full city walls benefit until the Siege
Engine becomes available. This way, you won't be assaulting walled, fortified Phalanxes with Legions, and only Archers available to soften them up beforehand. Meanwhile, it makes it easier to protect against slavers when a city is small.
Note: To remove the Stockade's ability to prevent slavery, simply open the improve.txt file, and in the
Stockade section (it's listed 2nd) delete the line: IMPROVEMENT_FLAG_PREVENT_SLAVERY.

I removed the Castle tile improvement, due to a bug, and transferred most of its characteristics to the
Fortification. The Fortification now gives a +100% defense bonus, while costing 600 PW. It is availible with Engineering.

Undersea tunnels costs 2/3 as much to build. These are basically maglev tunnels placed on the ocean floor, so I don't see why they should be so exorbitant in cost. Especially when one pillage wreaks the entire tunnel.

I changed the improvements list to a more logical progression.

SEA and SPACE COLONIES:
Sea and space colonies can now build most ancient improvements.

Also, I made the Space Colonies and Sea Colonies advances cost 1/2 less to research.

Finally, I switched Smart Materials and Space Colonies on the advances chart, and had Fusion replace
Arcologies as the second preq for Space Colonies.

**Combined with CD's replacement of Arcologies with Superconductor as the second preq for Sea Colonies,
these changes should allow for earlier and further development of these aspects of the game.

Note: Space Marines are now available with Smart Materials.

CONSTRUCT TEXT:
Note: The changes listed here are *in addition* to those done in the Awesome Aips. Explanations, when needed, are in the following paragraphs.

1)Percentage of land in continents set to 90.
2)Percentage of land with rivers set to 15.
3)Chance of getting a veteran set to 25.
4)Change building penalty set to 0.
5)Nice radius set to 15.
6)Population indexes for the Genetic and Diamond ages reduced by 1/3.
7)Chance that piracy kills trader reduced to 20, and the gold obtained from piracy reduced to 20.

1)About 90% of the land on Earth is in the continents, I believe. Also, from my knowledge of the aidata
files, I believe that this setting helps the AI expand better. After creating a new map, I alter the terrain to give
each of the AIs their own nice continent, with most having a land connection to 1 or 2 other civs. This seems
to result in the best games.

4) In the first patch, when they changed the build queue properties to allow the insertion of items, they made it possible to do so without losing any production, if done in each city individually. However, you still lose
production if you use the city screen to do simultaneous insertions. Setting this penalty to zero lets you use the city screen feature without penalty, and may help keep the AI from losing production when it makes changes.

5) It says that start locations are 2x nice radius. Well, it isn't. By setting this to 15, it should avoid setting off
the survival mode aip, which upsets AI development.

6)CD did some of this in his mod, but I still keep getting ridiculous figures. (Just a cosmetic change.)

7)With the increased number of ships due to the AAips, piracy has become so bad as to make it almost impossible to maintain overseas trade routes with the current loss settings. I have noticed that the AI will devote significant resources to producing more caravans if you start extensive pirating of its routes, rather than building more units to go after the pirates. With these new settings, you will have to stay on the trade routes for several turns to cause heavy caravan losses. This will either increase the chance of the AI finding and destroying your ships, or else force you to tie up your units in this duty for a long time, rather than putting them to other uses.
Since you will probably end up pirating more routes, the amount of gold given for doing this has been reduced.

DiffDB (Emporer Level):
_______________________________OLD____________________________NEW
AI_TECHNOLOGY_COST -0.1 -0.1 -0.3 -0.4 -0.5__ -0.1 -0.2 -0.2 -0.3 -0.3
AI_PRODUCTION_COST +0.35 0.25 0.3 0.2 0.1__ 0.0 -0.1 -0.1 -0.2 -0.2
AI_GOLD_ADJUSTMENT _1.0 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.2__ 1.0 1.1 1.1 1.2 1.2

As you can see, I decreased to tech bonus given to the AI later in the game, but I eliminated the production
handicap given to the AI, and replaced it with a slight bonus. I also decreased the starting base happiness to
74, and reduced the AI's minimun starting advances from 6 to 3, while leaving the max starting advances at 6.

INFO INCONSISTENCIES:
Advances' Great Library gameplay files usually won't reflect the changes made. However, the info about
requirements and availibilities (to the left and right of the picture) should be correct.

The Stockade still uses the City Walls icon, therefore you can’t tell which one a city has just by looking at it. **I spent many hours trying to find a solution for this, but to no avail. If anyone reading this *does* have a solution, please let me know, as this is the only feature of the mod that I wasn’t able to implement fully. This feature is at the very heart of the mod, though, so I feel that it is too important to leave out due to this one shortcoming.


LAND UNITS:
Unit/Age_______Cost H A R D HP FP Mov Vis Available Obsolete
ANCIENT AGE
Settler_________400 0 0 0 1 10 2 1 1
Warrior_________135 4 1 0 1 10 2 1 2 Toolmaking Classical Ed
Phalanx_________160 4 1 0 2 10 2 1 1 Bronze Work. Philosophy
Mounted Ar______240 6 1 1 1 10 2 3 2 Domestication Stirrup
Javelin Cav.____280 8 2 0 1 15 2 3 1 Domestication Chivalry
Legion__________240 7 2 0 1 15 2 1 1 Iron Working Classical Ed
Archer__________200 7 1 1 1 10 2 1 1 Stone Working Gunpowder

MEDIEVAL AGE
Pikeman_________320 _8 2 0 2 15 2 1 1 Philosophy Gunpowder
Horse Archer____480 14 2 2 1 20 2 4 2 Stirrup Cavalry
Samurai_________400 12 3 0 1 20 2 1 1 Classical Ed Gunpowder
Siege Engine____500 14 1 4 2 10 3 1 1 Engineering Cannon Making
Knight__________480 16 3 0 2 20 2 3 1 Chivalry Cavalry

Unit/Age_______Cost H A R D HP FP Mov Vis Available Obsolete
RENAISSANCE AGE
Musketeer_______560 16 4 2 4 15 3 1 1 Gunpowder Explosives
Cannon__________720 20 3 8 4 10 3 1 1 Cannon Making Explosives
Cavalry_________720 24 6 0 4 15 3 3 2 Cavalry Tank Warfare
Spy_____________600 18________________2 2 Republic Communism

MODERN AGE (cost changes only)
Machine Gunner_1000
Marine_________1200
Fascist________1300
Tank___________2400

SEA and AIR UNITS:
Unit___________Cost H A R D HP FP Mov Tran Available Obsolete

Trireme_________300 7.5 1 0 1 10 2 2 2 Ship Bld Hull Making
Gr. Fire________400 10_ 3 1 1 10 2 3 1 Alchemy Mach. Tools
Longship________480 12_ 2 0 2 10 2 4 2 Hull Making Ocean Faring
Galleon_________640 15_ 3 4 3 10 3 5 4 Ocean Faring Oil Refining
Ship of Line____900 25_ 5 8 5 10 3 5 2 Mach. Tools Oil Refining

Troop Ship_____1300 30_ 0 6 4 15 3 6 5 Oil Refining
Destroyer______1200 36_10 10 8 15 3 7 1 Oil Refining
Submarine______1200 30_15 15 5 10 3 4 2 Mass Production
Battleship_____2750 80_20 20 18 20 4 6 0 Steel
Aircraft Car.__2500 50__4 8 8 25 3 5 0 Aerodynamics

Interceptors___1750 45__6 12 6 20 3 10 Aerodyanmics
Helicopter_____1500 45__5 16 3 20 3 7/35 Jet Propulsion
Mobile SAM_____1200 36__3 16 3 25 3 6 Rocketry

ADVANCES:
Engineering also requires Alchemy.
Stirrup set back to original settings.
Chivalry requires Stirrup and Classical Education.
Cavalry Tactics requires Chivalry instead of Stirrup.
Gunpowder requires Optics instead of Agricultural Rev.
Machine Tools also requires Cannon Making, so that Cannon are available before SotL.
Steel requires Explosives instead of Railroad. This makes Machine Gunners available before Battleships.
Mass Production also requires the Corporation.
GlobeNet also requires Space Flight.

Philosophy and Engineering costs 50% more to discover, and Gunpowder about
15% more. Banking and Classical Ed have been brought back to standard costs.
Ag. Rev., Mech. Clock, Pr. Press, Cavalry and Cannon Making costs increased from 860 to 1000.
Nationalism increased from 860 to 1200.
Democracy, Age of Reason, Machine Tools, Medicine, Economics and Physics increased from 860 to 3200.

Sea and Space Colonies changes were detailed in their previous section.

Here is the link to the Update readme. http://apolyton.net/forums/Forum7/HTML/002004.html


[This message has been edited by WesW (edited February 24, 2000).]

WesW
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Here is the installation readme for the Med mod 2, and a link to the download.
http://apolyton.net/cgi-bin/ctp/files/download.pl?id=73

Installation info and instructions:

This is an add-on mod to Celestial Dawn’s 4.2 mod. It requires that mod to work, as well as Paul’s Graphics Mod (pre-patch versions may be used). The mod comes with the script file for PowerSlic’s 2.0 installed, so if you don’t use PowerSlics, you will need to replace it with the script file found in the Medieval folder (where this readme is placed).
Note: This mod also contains customized versions of the True Terrain and Awesome Aips mods built into it. Thus, the aidata files in this mod will over-write the aidata files of any other version of Awesome Aips that you may be currently using.

Pre-installation:
The gl files in the Apolyton Pack were re-named so as not to interfere with other mods. Well, this is one of those “other” mods, as it uses the original names for its gl files. There is no need to move the Pack’s gl files, and this mod uses some of them, too, so doing so will result in blank spots where the Great Library info should be shown. If you are using another mod’s gl files, you need to cut them out of the gl folder and store them somewhere so that you can put them back in place should you decide to stop using this mod. Failure to do so may cause inaccurate information to be shown in the Great Library.
Most importantly, the aidata files still have to be put in the original game’s directory, and they will over-write the originals (or whichever ones are currently in place). Therefore, you will need to make a copy of the original aidata folder, and store it somewhere so that you can put it back in place should you decide to stop using this mod.
So, to summarize, you need to make a back-up copy of the aidata folder before installing this mod. Then you also need to cut out any gl files from any non-Pack mod that are in place.

Installation:
To install over the Apolyton Pack, make a copy of the Apolyton folder, re-name it “Medieval”, and put it back in the scenarios folder. Then unzip this mod into the Civilization-Call to Power folder. That’s it.

For other situations, you will need to first create a new folder callled “Medieval” in the scenario folder. Next, copy-n-paste the default and english folders of the scenario you want to alter into the Medieval folder. Then unzip this mod into the Civilization-Call to Power folder. That’s it.

Note: If you do NOT use the 1.21 hack, you will have to move the tga files from the scenario to the original directory after installation.

The modpack changes are detailed in the other readme files, which will be placed in the Med readme folder. The Awesome Aips and Diplomacy readmes detail the changes in AI behavior made by that mod. The True Terrain readme describes the changes to terrain and tile improvement values. The Med 2 readme details all the gameplay changes, including units, advances, improvements, governments, and various other areas.

If you have any problems, email me at wesw@hiwaay.net and we can probably figure it out.

Note: The videos for the Apolyton Pack have to be manually moved to the original directory, as they are not read if left in the scenario directory.

Also, I made a typo in the uniticon.txt. At the bottom of the file, the Alpha Transporter's vari*.txt was misspelled vai*. Simply add the "r", and this will let you see the Transporter's stats and abilities.
[This message has been edited by WesW (edited December 19, 1999).]
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Rowick Hepan
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HI Wes,

I havn't played around with unit mods yet çause I wasn't sure whether they replaced existing units (ie. you can only play medieval) or whether they were additional?

If they are additional what mods do you recomend and what changes do they make?

PS: my email is z2207660@student.unsw.edu.au if this is more convienient

Lucky
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sounds great

i especially like the changes you made for the early navy

i've made some of the same changes for my game but i can't wait for your mod

Lucky

WesW
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My mod is an add-on to CD's mod, and is designed to be used with the Apolyton Pack. I am still working on the exact installation procedure, so I can't post anything definite regarding that right now, but I will when I do get that worked out.
Nordicus
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Hey, Wes, Lookin good. I don't have all that much time to comment, but I shall later :P


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hey Wes, html is on, try using the pre tag
you can also used the code ubb tag
Savant
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Nice changes Wes. Your mods should make it much more enjoyable to play the early and middle parts of a game and I look forward to adopting them!

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'Blood will run'

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Thanks for the compliments, everyone.

I received word from Morgoth today that he should have the new spy unit ready next weekend. It will be fully animated, with attack and death scenes, and everything. I think everyone will really be impressed with it, I know I am.

I hope we will be finished with our Aip mod by then, so I can send these two mods in together.

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I just posted the current version of the readme at the top. Several changes have been made to governments, improvements, and info inconsistencies. Also, a detailed description of the new Spy has been included in the Special units section, with additional stats in the land units section.
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Great work Wes, I can't wait to play with it.

As a suggestion, what about a late unit to replace the settler. This would be a unit, perhaps "civil engineer". Somewhat more expensive then the settler but it would create a city with already some of the ancient improvements on it, like: granary, mill, aqueduct, and factory.

This could easy the utility problem of cities created late in the game....

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3rd, we have been discussing that very thing in some of the creation threads. Hopefully someone with slic experience will come up with something.
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Sorry, I did not mean to be repetitive, I don't follow creation closely (almost not at all) by lacak of time reasons....
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Are you planning on adding any new city improvements? Suggestions:

Fair - medieval gold, before banks
Forge - ancient production, beofre mills
Gun Emplacement - late medieval defensive works
Sewer or Public Bath - ancient overcrowding help


In a related vein, I always found the radar tower to be mostly useless. So I made it into a genetic age listening post, which let me push listening posts back into the rennaissance:
"Watch Tower" - avail w/ Optics.
Vision: 5
Sees: normal and subversive units (like a diplomat)

This lets me do:
"AI Scanner" - avail w/ AI Surveill
Vision: 10
Sees: normal, Subversive, and Trade units (like lawyer)

In each case, you no longer have to fortify a lawyer or diplomat on your frontier. It reduces the annoyance of having to continually patrol your road network for special units, but not so soon that those special units are impossible to use. I.e. Watch Tower sees Slavers, but by the time you can build it, the Emancipation Act is also on the way, so the utility is limited.

Thoughts?

Wheathin

Draegor
Settler
Norway
Nov 1999
posted December 10, 1999 11:54   Click Here to See the Profile for DraegorClick Here to Email Draegor  send a private message to Draegor
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I think the watchtowers are a good idea. It's incredibly annoying when your newly assembled army is hindered by an allied unit, thus delaying your plans for conquest by several turns. Making this improvement would be a wise move for aggressive expansionist players (most of us fit that category, it seems), but not too important for peaceful players. Plus you can hum to the sound of "All along the watchtowers" whilst happily constructing them all around your borders

The other improvement suggestions are also good, but need careful planning to not make them unbalancing. I'm sure several people would volunteer for playtesting, myself included. Always fun to try new things.

WesW
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Huntsville, Al., USA
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The watchtower changes sound interesting. I'm not so sure about the others. You may want to revive an old thread about similar ideas, or start a new one to get more opinions.
Nordicus has done a lot of work on his own, apparently, regarding new Wonders and improvements. I have been thinking about adding and re-arranging some of the Wonders for a future mod, the "Modern mod", that I will begin work on once the Med. mod is out.

Maybe Nord will start a new thread listing his ideas regarding this soon. He likes to go in several directions at once, though, so you never know what he will be doing next.

Savant
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Jul 1999
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Good God Wes! Think your mod will be ready by xmas?

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'Blood will run'

wheathin
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columbus, oh, usa
Apr 99
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sorry about hi-jacking your thread, Wes . Your medieval mod sounds cool. When I finish with Finals, I'll have to check it out.

wheathin

(new thread starting for the watch towers in CTP-CREATION)
[This message has been edited by wheathin (edited December 11, 1999).]

Morgoth
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Jul 1999
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WesW
Morgoth
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Jul 1999
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WesW
Spy sprite was sent to you today. Let me know if you had any problems receiving it.

Markos - I've also sent it to you for posting on the modifications when you get a chance.

WesW
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I guess I have everything done as far as getting the mod set to release. It's packaged up, and the install instructions have been written. I am pasting the install instructions into the second post in this thread. Please read over them, and list anything that seems confusing to you.

I have spent 20hrs easy writing and re-writing the readmes for my mods, so *please* let me know if they aren't clear about anything, before I go public with this mod.

WesW
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The Medieval Mod 2 has been sent in!

I have had to revert the names of the gl files back to their original names, so please go over the installation instructions, which have been re-done.

MarkG
Apolyton CS Co-Administrator
Greece
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download now!
http://apolyton.net/cgi-bin/ctp/files/download.pl?id=73
John LeMaitre
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Greece
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WesW --

I had a couple of questions about the new Medieval Mod.
1) It doesn't require the first MM to work, does it? I know it sounds dumb, but you know....

2) I don't have the Apolyton Pack, although I have all of the elements from it that I placed in separately. Since there seems to be a difference between the two (specifically, using the scenario files), will your mod still work?

3) What files do I have to be cautious of it wiping over?

Thanks, and I'll give the Read Me a better look-see once I get home (I'm at work right now).

WesW
King
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1)All you theoretically *have* to have is CD's mod, though I haven't tested that.

2)The installation will create a scenario folder called "Medieval", which it puts all the files that can be read in scenario files.
The install readme details the Pack requirements and so-forth that are needed before this is done.
If you have all the Pack elements put in the original folders, which is what I think you are alluding to, then you can go into the "Medieval" scenario and manually transfer the files there to the original directories.

3) The Pre-Installation section details which files you should be cautious about before you install the mod.
Myself, I have a zipped copy of the Apolyton Pack stored in a folder where I keep zipped copies of all the mods and so-forth I use. Same thing for the original aidata folder. If you have done this, you shouldn't have to worry about over-writing any files.

WesW
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Timothy Pintello, one of our AAips play-testers, wrote me this today regarding his first experience using the Med mod. Following that is my reply to him.

-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Pintello Date: Thursday, December 16, 1999 9:21 AM
Subject: Medieval Mod 2

>Wes, I downloaded your Medieval Mod 2 yesterday and I have a real problem with it. The AI is kicking my butt and it is very difficult to play against! In fact, if I keep using this mod, I will probably have to drop down to King level!! This is just unacceptable!!! :-) Just teasing you Wes. All the things I said are true, but they are really niceimprovements.
>I really like this Mod. I was skeptical of your Terrain Mod, but now that I have used it, it is really a very good improvement.
>
>I think it is a combination of all the work in the AIP and FLI files that you and Nordicus did in conjunction with the Terrain changes that make this mod so much more difficult than even just the Awesome AIPs. I like it.
>
>Tom Davies did an incredible job with the sprites too. I only played for about an hour to get a feel for the game, so all I got to see was the Javelin Calvary unit, but I really liked it. If I were Activision, I would be seeing about giving Tom Davies a job as an artist for CTP2. After looking at things carefully, I think the Javelin Calvary Unit is better than even the units that came with CTP out of the box. It has both an attack and a death animation and it moves very smoothly. It also does not have the kind of outline that the Horse Archer and Catapult Sprites do. When it is used in the game, it looks like it could have come with the game except that it has more animations than the default sprites do. The default sprites either have a death or an attack animation, but not both. I also like the way that he has the Unit throw it's Javelin when it attacks. That is a lot better than even the archer units that come with the game. With those units you don't see the arrows flying through the air like you do the javelin. It makes for a very nice touch. I also like the concept of the Javelin Calvary unit. It fits well with the game.
>
>Wes, your tech tree is also a big improvement. I like the way Pikemen come sooner and the fact that you can't get Ships of the Line without first having canons. The Catapults are also much better units now, and the AI seems to use them better than it did. I forgot about your catapult changes so when a barbarian catapult showed up next to my city, I went after it with a slaver and a phalanx. Lost both, bummer huh. I then had to follow this up with sending out the last phalax and the only warrior in the city to take it out before it started bombarding me. When the whole battle was over, I ended up with only one badly damaged Phalax and no slave. Oh well.
I sent a Javelin Calvary Unit into a size 2 Barbarian city thinking that I could pick-up a badly needed city, but the Barbarians had a phalax and a catapult sitting in it. (Did I mention I really like the Javelin Calvary Unit?) Everyone knows that Barbarians don't defend their cities, well they do now and in a most effective manner. What the ranged attack of the Catapult couldn't finish off of my Calvary Unit, the defense of the Phalanx did. I was really bummed about that because I really liked that Calvary Unit. Have I mentioned that I really like the ... just giving you guys a hard time. :-)
>
>The bottom line is that this is a really good mod that some how enables the AI to really maximize its playing capabilities. When I quit the game, I was at the very bottom of the graph and the nearest AI competitor was Very Strong compared to me. This was not because of a bad starting location either. I started out on a river and was able to build 4 cities, including my capitol, so that at least one square was on an un-shared river square in every city. Additionally, only one of those cities had any overlap with another city and that overlap only consisted of 2 squares. I did this because I was trying to get a coastal city which I didn't have at that point.
>
>Well enough rambling for now. I will play a few more test games with this mod, but I suspect that it will become my default mod. I will also have to change my playing style again! Thanks a lot Wes! Every time I come up with a style that works for me, you go and change all the ground rules and make the AI smarter! What is it you have against me? :-) Sorry, couldn't resist ribbing you again.
>
>Keep up the good work Wes.
>
>Regards,
>
>Timothy Pintello

Thanks for the praise, Tim. It is my sincere hope that you are viewing the defeat.avi soon.
Regarding, Tom Davies' units, I agree that his work is the best of anyone I have seen in any mod, and on a par with any that came with the game. Actually, the Spy's avi looks a little better than the Jav. Cav.'s, so you
want to check out the GL soon.

I am also glad you noticed how the Aip & Terrain mod changes compliment each other. I wasn't sure if that would be apparent to anyone except me.

Wes


Morgoth
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Jul 1999
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Tim, Wes - Thanks for the complements on the sprites. I'm hoping Markos will post the spy up on the modifications and see if anyone ever gives me a rating over 6.4!

I noticed the ratings on some of my earlier units (including the Jav Cav went down recently - no pleasing some people!).

Katy Sodeau (my other half) did most of the work on the Jav. Cav. so most of the compliments are really due to her.

Intend to play the new mod over the next few weeks so will be able to give it a good try out (and hopefully not always loose - to the AI or Katy).

Wes, was the WW2 you were going to do an extension of this mod?

Pintello
Warlord
Deland, Florida
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Hi Morgoth,

I was really impressed with your, or perhaps Katy's Sprites. Would you consider redoing the other sprites in CDs Mod so that they are of the same quality as the Spy and Javelin Calvary Units. I realize this is to some extent redoing work that has already been done, but sprites of the quality you put out would really be a big bonus to the Apolyton Pak. I would be more than willing to do the text file editing like I helped Paul do the first time around if you would be willing to produce the sprites.

The new "new units" in CDs Mod are as follows: Horse Archer, Catapult, Noble, Missile Cruiser, Cruise Missile, Helicopter, and Spy Satellite. Also an animated Galleon for Wes's Med Mod 2 would be nice.

Cheers,
Timothy Pintello

Paul
King
Zwolle, The Netherlands
Mar 99
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I haven't had time to actually play the medieval mod yet, but I did look at the tga pictures of the new units and they look great, better than the ones for CD's mod. Anyway, if you want new sprites for CD's mod there's no textfile editing necessary; you could just use the ones we made as long as the new sprites and pictures have the same names as the ones we used.
Morgoth
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Jul 1999
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Pintello, Paul
Don't really want to go back and re-do soemone else's sprites as such but was thinking of doing some more anyway.

I need to redo the destroyer at some stage because the one supplied by Activision keeps crashing my game when playing a 2 player LAN game. I want to redo some of my older sprites (spearman, slinger and Huscarl) to improve some of the animations (particularly the walking animation) and I have made AVI's for an Egyptian spearman, a medieval COG and Katy has done some work on a Cartaginian style Noble cavalry.

I was thinking of doing a 30 years war/English civil war Pikeman and musket man and then moving onto some of the more modern figures e.g. a modern infantryman other than the machinegunner (WesW, let me know what you are planning on infantry types for your WW2 infantry types). Problem is I tend to start and then get distracted but I should have a few days over the christmas break to get some things done.

Morgoth
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England
Jul 1999
posted December 18, 1999 08:58   Click Here to See the Profile for MorgothClick Here to Email Morgoth  send a private message to Morgoth
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On the other hand I could probably do a new noble next week - Mediteranean style with a cloak based on one of my earlier sprites. Movements should be straight forward but any ideas for attack (should it have one) or death scenes?
John LeMaitre
Warlord
England
Jul 1999
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To WesW and all:

A brilliant mod! I'm really having a little trouble with the AI and enjoy the new units!

Morgoth: Please do some more units, and tell us how to replace the old ones in detail. If only the ones in CD's mod looked as good as yours....

Paul
King
Zwolle, The Netherlands
Mar 99
posted December 19, 1999 03:38