this could be done very cool

But could someone please explain to me what he meant with this:

quote: Will we see the simplified economic model and landscape bonuses from SMAC? Or will we keep the buffalos, corn, gold, and whales? I'm not sure which one I'm hoping for, but I'd have to guess we'll be getting the Civ II model with many types of bonuses, but the SMAC display with just numbers instead of many tiny icons.

quote: Originally posted by EnochF on 02-01-2001 07:45 PM Great. Well, we'll see how they manage to avoid dumb combinations like the "Submarine Archer," the "Internal Combustion Phalanx," and the "MiG Fighter with a Pike."

Well, if they include limits based on the chassis, like a min-max att/def/move, you won't have to worry about that (although this too should be customizable from a file for scenarios).

It sounds like they intend to use the "unit workshop" from SMAC, including the ability to upgrade your units in the field by spending some cash (the "similar upgrade feature"). Just one thing: let players be able to "retire" ALL units in the workshop! I HATED not being able to get rid of those ancient early units of SMAC!

btw, I thought the "battleship sunk by phalanx" went out with civ1. OR did CtP re-introduce that feature?

tniem:

But with more easily recognizable historical units and a better interface I think it will be great. I have no doubt it will be easy to distinguish different chassis from one another, but I'm kind of wondering how they will do it between different versions on the same chassis. I don't want different "main" colors on my unit to do this, it would just look a stupid with a bright red tank. Hopefully there will be an easy and fast way of getting additional unit information.

The "retire" function is a must as well.

And if I ever see a Phalanx take out a Battleship in CivIII....I may just have to shoot myself.

First off, the author of that article on Twin Galaxies was directed to check the website for more information about the game, and he apparently read the Ask the Civ Team section, specifically the question about players being able to create custom units.

He apparently interpreted that answer to mean that we would be including a design-workshop type system in Civ III.

We will *not* be using a design workshop, nor will there be any type of "mix and match" unit designer.

What we said was that there will be significant tools available for mod creators and everyday users alike to create their own units and import them into the game. While the design workshop was an interesting feature of SMAC, its design constraints are wholly inappropriate for a game that covers as much ground as CivIII.

We have sent him an email correcting him and apologize for any confusion that this has caused. As we said in our email to him, our main concern with custom units is to allow maximum flexibility for mod and scenario authors and those of you who've labored on SMAC mods or scenarios know how limiting the design workshop can be. We're aiming for at least the level of customizability that Civ II offers, and then some.

Thanks,

(yes I know I celebrated for both results (the fake and the actual) but that is because I trust that Firaxis will make that part good and I like both ways of doing it (and I agree with Dan that Civ could not be done the same as SMAC, even though I do think that there could be still a good way for people to design their armies (like 5000 light spear men, 1000 swords men and 2000 bow men) which is why I said it could be cool))

Also note, I think Firaxis would make a good starcraft unique civ likee game, I just think they could do better

quote: Originally posted by Harel on 02-02-2001 07:40 PM Well, people, let's think about it this way... Dan could have catched this debate after 300 posts and 4 flame wars, ten fully detailed models on how do it properly, 28 different suggestions for Chassise, 47 different weapon types, and about a hundred or so different rules and regulations. Let's say a prayer that it's only been 25 posts, yeah?

Apparently you missed the part in the Lists and other "300 posts and 4 flame wars, ten fully detailed models on how do it properly, 28 different suggestions for Chassise, 47 different weapon types, and about a hundred or so different rules and regulations" on this forum over the last year and a half.