I loved that map most in civilizations games! I suppose that CTP2 does not have expanding/conquering information in savegame files? But does anyone know any ways(external softwares etc) to get that animated map to CTP2 too?

If you do know how the map could be got please add that possibility to MedPack too.

I am sorry to tell you what you ask is not possible. It is something that has to be hard coded into the game. That map has not existed since civ 1.

Every savegame situation has the information where cities are. So if you would save the game in every turn in different name you could then use an external program that loads every savegame files in to memory in order and examines savegame situations and draws a map. And finally it would connect maps and makes them as a animation.

Any volunteers to do this ? I would like to do it but I am programming at work 7.5h/day so I do not like programming at home anymore and I really do not have time either at home.

I checked your vids and that longer one was really pretty

Could we get one more list there? I mean list of testers I want to be there and I want to become famous :-) Testers could be there in very small font

Jani

Jani, you are mentioned in the Acknowledgements section of the Main readme for your help in getting me the PSP crack. The video was put together before Martin's help with the mod, so I listed his citymod2 as one of the components of the modpack, and listed him again beside your name.

There have been dozens of people who have helped with play-testing, many of whom have come and gone over the months. I hope they all come back to enjoy the finished version of the mod. I tried to restrict the video to people who have contributed files specifically for the medmod. It still came out about a dozen people.

We are having some trouble de-bugging the slic code, so I can't say for sure when the next upadte will be up. It may be up in a few minutes, or it may be a couple of days more.

Well, I look forward to getting to test the next text release when it becomes available, lot’s of new stuff to keep me excited. Keep up the fine work Wes. Don’t get discouraged, all those people will come back when the Public Version is released and I am sure they will have a lot of input for you too .

Joseph1944: Thanks a lot for your comment on my post over at the Civ III forum. It meant a lot to me .

Timeline

quote: Originally posted by Dale on 05-06-2001 11:46 PM Locutus, how's my English rate?

Hmm, your English is (near to) perfect and your posts are (near to) perfectly clear, I'd say a 10

Although a great deal of work has been put into the code who does it really benefit? We know the AI can build its own defensive units just fine. In fact it's quite good at this. In addition shouldn't there be some sense of urgency to defending a new settlement? I find that exciting. I must either take troops from other locations along with the settler to protect them and then to protect the city or I must quickly build new defensive units once I sneak my settler to his/her new home. Either way it's a neat part of the game to me.

Release the public version. Then if there are still those who are interested in working on the milita code so be it. They could even run the presently available (but buggy) militia code as it is.

Wes, Polish, package and ship this baby... It's good, let everyone see it before there is no one playing this game any more, as they are all swept up in the soon to be Civ III frenzy.

Colorme, we have made the military actions of the AI a priority in our efforts, and the three things you outlined have been a goal of mine since the start, but I don't think I was able to pull that one off. I hope that we see a much more offensive-minded AI in this next release.
I did get rid of the "lone attacks", which were specifically included in the settings to "keep you off balance" as Richard (Azmel) once stated. I would love to see the person who came up with that logic in a multi-player game.

"Wes, Is PT boats Elite unit? Shows up on tech chart as Elite, and in unit chart as defensive. Did not show up at all in game.
according to tech chart can tearaform hills with explosives, not so.
Culverin still can't bambard water, chart says they can.
on tech chart, you might think about changing unconventional units to pink. The dr. yellow is not readable when printed out. the pink is only used for Tech branchs so would not be confusion on chart.
Keep up the great work, thanks to all you who are making this happen!!
noticed that when reloading game that all trade routs lost 20 gold in value, NOT GOOD!!!"

PTs are regular units, though at the beginning I thought about having them as Elite. I forgot to change their color. I also swapped the color of the Unconventional units and the Tech Branches, since players don't really need to see the branches, anyway.
The text looks correct as far as the terraforming. You may not have had enough PW stored up.
I corrected the Culverin. I thought that has done that weeks ago. Oh well, it's done now.
That's weird about the trade routes. I don't know what I can do about it, though. I will try and keep it in mind as I play-test this next round.

I figured out how to alter the old militia code to fit the new setup. Now you just get a normal defensive unit when a city is founded.

quote: Originally posted by Rhuarc on 05-10-2001 10:29 PM thanks for the update Wes! Another program that is pretty good for large downloads is GoZilla. It allwos you to resume downloads of large files at a later time.

are these two programs free or shareware?

When war was declared on me, I'd immediately move all but one defensive unit out of all cities and move to the frontlines. (In peace times I go with a small army to help boost the economy and research. ) I'd then start building new units in these cities while the frontline troops rallied into stacks. Usually what happens to me is the AI actually gets a couple of troops round my rally-point (in the middle of HIS civ) and can often capture a city off me cuz it's only defended by one unit. For me, when I've rush-built the units I'd already started, I'd mearly recapture that city before sending to the rally-point.

Anyways, after all these changes I have to change that strategy! With the more agressive settings, half my buildings being destroyed in the capture, 1/4 of the city's pops running away and other such stuff, it's very likely that when I capture the city back there'll be nothing left! Or very little anyways. Oh dear, I'm going to have to build a defensive army AND an offensive army.

BTW, this is a GOOD thing!

Swamp: Industrial rev (you have remove adv at Agricaltural Rev in file. Chart says available with Crop Rotation.
Desert: Agro Industry, chart says should be Crop Rotation.
Hills: Fusion, chart says should be Explosives,
Sand Hills: file says Fusion, not on tech chart.
Poler hills: file says fusion, not on tech chart. These two should be Explosives also.
Forest: Animal Husbandry, chart says Iron Working.
Jungle: Crop Rotation, chart says Iron Working.
Plains: file says Metal Working, not on chart.
Grass lands: file says Metal Working, not on chart.
Tundra: Avanced Composites,right on chart and in file but doesn't show up in game.
Glscier: in file Nano Machines, not on chart and doesn't show up in game.

I have checked everything using cheat mode. Not a problem where you want them, but chart needs to be right.

Notes:
1)There are not buttons for adding tundra and glacier, but you can remove them when you get the necessary tech.
2)When it says "Hills" in the advances chart, this refers to all three types of hills, since there is not enough room to list all three.
3)You cannot build railroads through mountains until you have explosives.

I figured out what was wrong with the PT_Boat, and Monitor as well. I had forgotten to remove the "can't build" flag from when they were going to be Elite units. You guys can remove that yourselves if you want to.

We finally got all the triggers working correctly. Militia units are back in the mod, though in a simpler version than what we had before. The Elite units now work too. Be sure and read the Main readme about these two unconventional unit types.
The terraforming errors P-man laid out have been fixed as well.

We should now be able to conduct the final round of play-testing to see how the Elite units affect the game, and to check science progress in the second half of the game.
I am leaving tomorrow for a short trip, hopefully only a couple of days, so if you don't hear from me for a little while, that is the reason.

At least few wonders' helps were not ok in build manager window(the appian way, stonehenge or something like that did not work).

1. Civs must be to improve their relations every turn if there is no war between them (and with Human too!!!). We may give them small bonus for the same goverment. Why did you turn off this feature?

2. BAG in DipMod: probably it must be used "MaxPlayer" preference, not "NumPlayer"!!! New players could appear by revolt!!!

3. It's good idea to change Player1's relation to Player2 according to Player3's relation to Player2 and Player1's relation to Player2. Suppose Player1 has positive relation with Player3 and Player3 relation to Player2 falls. Then Player1 relation to Player2 must fall too. On the other side if Player1 would have negative relation with Player3 then Player1 relation to Player2 must rise. I can write this SLIC but I don't know how can I get players's relation.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'v created new Castle cities pictures. They are much more good than earlier ones. You may use them. But I didn't make shadows, cause I don't know how do them. Get it from:

chat.ru/citystyles.jpg

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

quote: Originally posted by PinkFriend on 05-14-2001 04:17 AM 1. Civs must be to improve their relations every turn if there is no war between them (and with Human too!!!). We may give them small bonus for the same goverment. Why did you turn off this feature?

I disagree. I do not like my neighbour or friend more every day

quote: 2. BAG in DipMod: probably it must be used "MaxPlayer" preference, not "NumPlayer"!!! New players could appear by revolt!!!

How is this new player thing working in practice?

Example: If three of my cities that are close will revolt I would like to get new player(nation) with 3 cities(and that nation's should have continous borders). I would not get 3 different nations. But if cities are far from others I would maybe like to get 2 or 3 different nations.

And what if fourth of my city will revolt lets say 200 years later. If it is next to the nation that was established 200 years ago would it join that nation?!? Or would it do it's own nation?

And how about barbarians... If they can get for example 2 of your cities that are close should them form a new nation so that I could establish embassy with them???

I think that this "new player by revolt/barbarians" issue is so big that it should be studied very carefully after the first final version of MedPack. This issue would need a lot of people discussing about it here in forums or with mails/chats. And if the result is that this should be coded we should get very good spesifications how this should work. And then we could ask someone to code that. That feature should not be added if it will not be working properly and fine. And finally we have to have so good specifications that we could get Wes and others to love this idea and then we could maybe get it to the MedPack version 2

quote: 3. It's good idea to change Player1's relation to Player2 according to Player3's relation to Player2 and Player1's relation to Player2. Suppose Player1 has positive relation with Player3 and Player3 relation to Player2 falls. Then Player1 relation to Player2 must fall too. On the other side if Player1 would have negative relation with Player3 then Player1 relation to Player2 must rise. I can write this SLIC but I don't know how can I get players's relation.

Real life example.
So if lets say Chile and Argentina would have good relations. And Argentina and Mongols are having good relations as does Chile and Mongols have too.

Then Mongolian diplomatic would say bad things about Chile and Chile would get angry and closes its mongolian embassy. Chile would hate Mongols after this.

But why should Argentina hate Mongols too? They should not! Only in rare situations other countries' relations should be affected as you said(like NATO countries in militaristic issues etc).