quote: Originally posted by Dida on 10-30-2000 06:51 PM Can we build canals in ctp2? It will be a extremly cool featurem, by allowing us to build Canals and ships to move on rivers we can 'cut the distance in half'. (that's why they've got Suez and the Panama)

Nope, sorry, not without using the cheat menu to just cut some ocean through the continents.

Because I made in every Civ game (when i played on the earth map) a city at Panama.

And all other Civ players I know, do that too.

The trouble is that if you have a setup like this:

O=Ocean; B/b=Beach; L/l=Land
OOOOO     OOOOO
BBbBB  -> BBbBB
LlllL  -> LBBBL
LLLLL     LLLLL

[This message has been edited by Gedrin (edited October 31, 2000).]
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quote: Originally posted by Gedrin on 10-31-2000 12:35 PM I do think this could be done however no one has yet.

THE CTP2 CREATION FORUM: TO BOLDLY MODIFY WHAT NOONE ELSE HAS MODIFIED BEFORE

quote: Originally posted by Gedrin on 10-31-2000 11:37 AM Well have no fear... There are a few SLIC coders out here drooling for CTPII. If it can be done via a cheat menu then I bet it can be done via SLIC... and if it can be done via SLIC... it will be done. Muhahahaha Gedrin

So it will, once again, be up to the paying customers to incorporate a feature that has been asked about for years.

To me, the canals (while a very nice idea) are a minor feature. However CTP2 seems to be defined by what "minor" features have been left out at this point.

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Big Dave

I think most of us would want a canal system to cost enough to prevent it being used everywhere, and that would enable oceans to be connected across narrow land areas. In the original, with cities built next to each other, you could do this (poorly!). But far preferable would be the ability either to turn natural river into canal as a terrain improvement, and/or the ability to build 2 or 3 tile-length canals. This obviously expands on the "just build a city at the narrowest bit" idea! I would say canals of greater than that length are unrealistic - but see previous comment about when the game goes! Finally, the game is capable of turning land into water - it does so in response to global warming. It surely would not take too much effort for a patch to introduce:

1) Rivers can be navigated by early ships
2) Turn river into canal so as to allow large ships in
3) Build canal up to 3 tiles in length.

The last would allow players to work canals around existing rivers (which fits reality) as well as across narrow isthmuses (spelling?) like Panama and Suez.

I think most players would support such a feature - I'm sure this forum will tell you for certain!

quote: Originally posted by Chris Horscroft on 10-31-2000 05:22 PM It surely would not take too much effort for a patch to introduce:

It isn't really the game data that would be difficult to change, the difficulty is in changing the interface to make it accessable by the users. And making it so that adding that interface doesn't introduce a ton of new bugs. I really don't have any answers for any of you on this subject, other than it's not in the game.

I will buy CTPII anyway, without canals, but look forward to more than 8 civs, canals, etc upgrades in future.

Presumably you guys maintain a list of desired revisions and upgrades? If so, please add waterways!

ENV_CANAL_TUNNEL {
ENV_MOVEMENT 10
ENV_FREIGHT 10
ENV_MATERIALS 1200
ENV_TIME 2
ENV_ADVANCE ADVANCE_SEA_COLONIES
}

Has anyone ever tried making such a def'n for land tiles? The reason I ask is I was startled at the name. CANAL_TUNNEL. Which is it? Or it both?

I'd love to try it but alas I have recently moved and not completely set up my computer. It may be possible that this tile improvement simply allows anthing to move along it. When placed on a land tile it may even confer the same production bonuses as rivers.
And it could of course not be added to mountains... hills maybe and really expensive but not mountains.

Gedrin

They're just trying to surprise us, they're just trying to surprise us, they're just trying to surprise us.

Aaarggh!

I SEE DEAD PEOPLE!

Psychologists Note: It should be noted that when Biddles say's "I SEE DEAD PEOPLE" he is probably planing revenge on whoever cut canals from the game.

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Looks like it's back to "canal Cities"

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- Biddles

adding ENV_CANAL_TUNNEL to land does nothing.